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amother




Periwinkle


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 5:14 pm
amother wrote:
Nothing more terrifying to the GOP than a woman of color gaining power. That's why there are posters here comparing AOC to Hitler, but crickets from these same posters when GOP congressperson Steve King lamented that White Supremacy and White Nationalism are bad terms. Like if one of them actually shares values with Hitler....


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amother




Fuchsia


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 5:21 pm
Fox wrote:
You're mixing up a few of my posts to come up with a cholent.

The comparison I was making was about the UK's size in comparison to the U.S. -- not its population. Moreover, given the comparatively small geographical size of Britain, economies of scale are possible because the NHS doesn't have to cover such a large physical area.

I think you misunderstood my point about homogeneity.

First, that post was about the general principles of applying Socialism, not the specific issue of health care.

Second, I am not talking about racial, religious, or ethnic homogeneity, and I made that very, very clear. I am talking about homogeneity in values and priorities, and the UK has been until recently an excellent example of that.

Prior to the past decade or two, the vast majority of Britain's immigrants came from former British colonies. In fact, residents of former colonies were given preferential treatment when it came to immigration. So while people looked different, spoke different languages, and had different customs -- they had nevertheless been socialized to one degree or another (and their communities had been socialized) with British ideas of what was important and what was not.

Now, that doesn't mean that everyone fits together seamlessly -- something that the UK is increasingly grappling with -- but it's a far cry from the American experience.


How do you then extrapolate the above arguments to Canada and Australia?
It is disheartening that a nation that has been at the forefront of innovation and revolution for the past century, simply throws up its arms and proclaims that we are too big/ too different/ too rich/ too poor/ too diverse/ too complicated to figure out a way to ensure that all of our citizens have access to health care.
You put a man on the moon!
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amother




Hotpink


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 5:26 pm
amother wrote:
Life expectancy in Canada, 82.2. USA, 79.3.



You are aware, are you not, that medical care is not the only determinant of life expectancy? There are many other factors that combine to give US residents a lower life expectancy than Canadians and Israelis, including but not limited to criminal violence, drug addiction, poor lifestyle choices, etc.
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amother




Hotpink


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 5:30 pm
amother wrote:
I am not republican but I am against socialism. Bernie Sanders is a seasoned politician who had no chance of winning (especially against Hillary) while Alexandria is (what seems to be clueless unless its a act) projected to become the first female president and that is scary. I prefer to see her dancing, why didn't she just go to Hollywood and become rich the old fashioned way?

Ocasio-Cortez has another 17 years to go before she can become president, according to the constitution. But she can certainly do a lot of damage until then.
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Fox




 
 
 


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 5:33 pm
Periwinkle Amother wrote:
Cerulean Amother wrote:
Nothing more terrifying to the GOP than a woman of color gaining power. That's why there are posters here comparing AOC to Hitler, but crickets from these same posters when GOP congressperson Steve King lamented that White Supremacy and White Nationalism are bad terms. Like if one of them actually shares values with Hitler....


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Presumably our friend Cerulean Amother missed the news about Steve King being stripped by the GOP leadership of his committee assignments -- which in practical terms will end his political career. I'm presuming she's also missed all the conservative columnists, pundits, and broadcasters urging people to donate to the campaign of the candidate the GOP has endorsed to replace him in the next election.

Meanwhile, still waiting for the Democrats to say anything about Ilhan Omar for doubling-down on anti-Israel tweets and Rashida Tlaib for questionning the loyalty of Jewish citizens and supporters of Israel . . .
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allthingsblue




 
 
 


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 5:34 pm
amother wrote:
Ocasio-Cortez has another 17 years to go before she can become president, according to the constitution. But she can certainly do a lot of damage until then.


6 years
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amother




Hotpink


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 5:43 pm
Sorry, I stand corrected. 7 years. Okay, that's pretty scary.
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Fox




 
 
 


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 5:47 pm
amother wrote:
How do you then extrapolate the above arguments to Canada and Australia?
It is disheartening that a nation that has been at the forefront of innovation and revolution for the past century, simply throws up its arms and proclaims that we are too big/ too different/ too rich/ too poor/ too diverse/ too complicated to figure out a way to ensure that all of our citizens have access to health care.
You put a man on the moon!

I'm guessing you didn't read my post on health care.

I'll reiterate: I don't endorse throwing up our hands. I fully believe we will need some kind of hybrid system that combines government support without completely undermining the free market. I even voted for Obama in 2008, hoping he could figure something out, because I sure can't!

However, when people make sweeping statements about how well government-run health care works in country A, B, or C, and why can't those silly Americans just follow the same model, they invariably gloss over some of the differences, such as geography, population distribution, immigration, economies of scale, and various legal and regulatory issues.

Anyone involved in a serious discussion of moving health care forward in the U.S. has to account for those realities.
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itsmeima




 
 
 


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 6:10 pm
Fox wrote:
Presumably our friend Cerulean Amother missed the news about Steve King being stripped by the GOP leadership of his committee assignments -- which in practical terms will end his political career. I'm presuming she's also missed all the conservative columnists, pundits, and broadcasters urging people to donate to the campaign of the candidate the GOP has endorsed to replace him in the next election.

Meanwhile, still waiting for the Democrats to say anything about Ilhan Omar for doubling-down on anti-Israel tweets and Rashida Tlaib for questionning the loyalty of Jewish citizens and supporters of Israel . . .


Steve King has been open about his views for years now, help me understand why now - why did it take so long?

Also, can you help me understand - why should they support Israel?

TIA
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Fox




 
 
 


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 6:46 pm
itsmeima wrote:
Steve King has been open about his views for years now, help me understand why now - why did it take so long?

Also, can you help me understand - why should they support Israel?

TIA

The biggest problem was that Steve King's comments were always just enough inside the grey area that they could be interpreted benignly.

In fact, the analogy with criticism of Israel versus anti-Semitism fits perfectly.

When King said, “Cultural suicide by demographic transformation must end,” you could take it two ways. One way, which is more benign, is that cultures must reproduce or spread their values in order to survive. Interpreted that way, it's edgy but not untrue. The other way, which is not so benign, is, "Stop bringing in non-white, non-Christians to the U.S." Interpreted that way, it's not just offensive but profoundly stupid.

It was only when King finally went over the line to defend the concept of white nationalism that there was absolutely no way to equivocate. The GOP had been waiting to get him for years, but they were reluctant to give up a solid seat in the House, and King always claimed innocence. Finally they had both the power and excuse needed to bring him down without attempting to overturn an election.

There's a similar problem when elected officials criticize Israel. If someone says (and this is a fictional example), "AIPAC and the Israel lobby are too influential in DC," the comment could be interpreted as a relatively benign complaint about big-money lobbyists. Interpreted that way, it's probably true. Most of us aren't so thrilled with how lobbying works (unless it's Agudah getting money for our schools, etc.). However, it can also be interpreted as, "The Jews have too much power." That is a very different kind of remark.

Which brings us to Tlaib's and Omar's actions and words. They certainly aren't obligated to support Israel, but exactly what are they saying? Are they engaging in legitimate criticism of Israeli policies? Or are they claiming that Israel doesn't have the right to exist?

When Omar doubles down on her tweet that, "Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel," is she criticizing policies of the Israeli government? Or is she accusing Jews of somehow manipulating people into believing they aren't evil?

When Tlaib allows a Post-It note with "Palestine" to be placed over Israel on her office map, is she simply showing pride in her Ramallah connection? Or is she questioning the right of Israel to exist?

So far, they are attempting to straddle the same divide that Steve King did for so long, staying barely within the borders of plausible deniability.

Unfortunately, they have one characteristic that King didn't have. Despite words that were stupid and best and xenophobic at worst, he didn't march in Charlottesville or invite neo-Nazis to his campaign events. Omar and Tlaib, however, have welcomed people into their circles who are quite clearly anti-Semitic and/or deny the right of Israel to exist. Thus making it a lot harder to accept their defense that they are simply protesting Israeli government policies.
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marina




 
 
 


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 6:59 pm
Saw this on FB and thought of you all here lol

Quote:


Day 2

Commissar-General Cortez's tank brigades have secure the capitol region, stamping out all resistance. The streets run red with the blood of small business owners as hundreds of men are forced to gay marry their own dogs. A pile of aborted fetuses marks every corner where the stop signs used to be. Sharia law reigns.

"Please," begs Joe Q. America, humble monster truck mechanic from Heartlandtown, Kansas with 2.3 beautiful white children, as the Secret Illegal Immigrant Police force him to his knees. "No more healthcare."

"We will make no apologies for the terror," Commissar-General Cortez answers, a cold fury in her voice. As his children are vaccinated before his eyes, she dances away like Ally Sheedy in the Breakfast Club.

It is only the beginning of the end.
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Fox




 
 
 


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 7:18 pm
marina wrote:
Saw this on FB and thought of you all here lol
Quote:

Day 2

Commissar-General Cortez's tank brigades have secure the capitol region, stamping out all resistance. The streets run red with the blood of small business owners as hundreds of men are forced to gay marry their own dogs. A pile of aborted fetuses marks every corner where the stop signs used to be. Sharia law reigns.

"Please," begs Joe Q. America, humble monster truck mechanic from Heartlandtown, Kansas with 2.3 beautiful white children, as the Secret Illegal Immigrant Police force him to his knees. "No more healthcare."

"We will make no apologies for the terror," Commissar-General Cortez answers, a cold fury in her voice. As his children are vaccinated before his eyes, she dances away like Ally Sheedy in the Breakfast Club.

It is only the beginning of the end.

Lol! I love stuff like this! Remember when the "Letters from the Second Civil War" theme was going around on social media?

There were some really creative, funny ones, and it was nice to have a good laugh and remember that taxes are the price we pay to corral all the most annoying people from across the political spectrum in one place -- so they can't bother us as much on a day-to-day basis.
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sequoia




 
 
 


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 7:21 pm
https://www.themideastbeast.co.....-concerns/

Has this been posted already?
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Fox




 
 
 


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 7:26 pm
sequoia wrote:
https://www.themideastbeast.com/hamas-distances-itself-from-womens-march-over-anti-semitism-concerns/

Has this been posted already?

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gold21




 
 
 


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 8:26 pm
I'm not a fan of hers at all. I don't like her, not one bit. But the comparisons to Hitler are disgusting. Shameful. Unacceptable.
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itsmeima




 
 
 


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 8:44 pm
Fox wrote:
The biggest problem was that Steve King's comments were always just enough inside the grey area that they could be interpreted benignly.

In fact, the analogy with criticism of Israel versus anti-Semitism fits perfectly.

When King said, “Cultural suicide by demographic transformation must end,” you could take it two ways. One way, which is more benign, is that cultures must reproduce or spread their values in order to survive. Interpreted that way, it's edgy but not untrue. The other way, which is not so benign, is, "Stop bringing in non-white, non-Christians to the U.S." Interpreted that way, it's not just offensive but profoundly stupid.

It was only when King finally went over the line to defend the concept of white nationalism that there was absolutely no way to equivocate. The GOP had been waiting to get him for years, but they were reluctant to give up a solid seat in the House, and King always claimed innocence. Finally they had both the power and excuse needed to bring him down without attempting to overturn an election.

There's a similar problem when elected officials criticize Israel. If someone says (and this is a fictional example), "AIPAC and the Israel lobby are too influential in DC," the comment could be interpreted as a relatively benign complaint about big-money lobbyists. Interpreted that way, it's probably true. Most of us aren't so thrilled with how lobbying works (unless it's Agudah getting money for our schools, etc.). However, it can also be interpreted as, "The Jews have too much power." That is a very different kind of remark.

Which brings us to Tlaib's and Omar's actions and words. They certainly aren't obligated to support Israel, but exactly what are they saying? Are they engaging in legitimate criticism of Israeli policies? Or are they claiming that Israel doesn't have the right to exist?

When Omar doubles down on her tweet that, "Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel," is she criticizing policies of the Israeli government? Or is she accusing Jews of somehow manipulating people into believing they aren't evil?

When Tlaib allows a Post-It note with "Palestine" to be placed over Israel on her office map, is she simply showing pride in her Ramallah connection? Or is she questioning the right of Israel to exist?

So far, they are attempting to straddle the same divide that Steve King did for so long, staying barely within the borders of plausible deniability.

Unfortunately, they have one characteristic that King didn't have. Despite words that were stupid and best and xenophobic at worst, he didn't march in Charlottesville or invite neo-Nazis to his campaign events. Omar and Tlaib, however, have welcomed people into their circles who are quite clearly anti-Semitic and/or deny the right of Israel to exist. Thus making it a lot harder to accept their defense that they are simply protesting Israeli government policies.


I hear you and I wish you would be right! http://www.nytimes.com/2019/01.....s.amp.html

I agree, Tlaib is questionable, especially her meeting this week!


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allthingsblue




 
 
 


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 8:47 pm
gold21 wrote:
I'm not a fan of hers at all. I don't like her, not one bit. But the comparisons to Hitler are disgusting. Shameful. Unacceptable.


Agree 100%

It's also hypocritical.
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Ravenclaw




 
 
 


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 9:38 pm
Fox: I love your posts. You really have a lot of information and express your ideas so clearly. I would love to see you running for office—I am serious.
Marina: That’s very funny Smile I was just about to ask you what your take on AOC is. I like some ideas like healthcare and all, but she doesn’t really seem to know what she is talking about so it’s hard to take her seriously. What do you think of her?
Gold21: Totally. It’s funny how both sides of the aisle today immediately jump to labeling every other person a Nazi.
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Mevater




 
 
 


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 9:40 pm
imasoftov wrote:
Also she dances. Be very afraid

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Thats not funny.
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imasoftov




 
 
 


Post  Mon, Jan 21 2019, 5:44 am
Mommyg8 wrote:
I live here, so I know what I lived through. There are all kinds of laws that passed over the years, I am not interested in writing a thesis. If you are not sure, look it up.

Noone wound up with more money in the bank after cancer treatment - the idea is beyond absurd. They just got - some - of the treatment covered. By paying a huge amount of money.

And please, no implications, tell me up front what you find absurd about what I argued in the yeshiva thread.

No implications? Did I imply something? If so, what? What do you find unclear about my last post? I think I've been very clear about my criticisms in both this thread and the other. I also don't recall using the word absurd and neither does the search feature.
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