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imasoftov




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 12:45 pm
amother wrote:
I don't watch Fox news but she is young and won in NY beating a long term politician despite her antics. As I said previously, Hitler was in prison when he wrote Mein Kampf and still managed to do what he ended up doing so yes, anything is possible. You can make fun of me all you want but I refuse to underestimate her and am scared for the future of this country. I hope Mashiach comes already before history repeats itself.

Why, of all the 537 elected US officials are you specifically worried about *her* resembling Hitler? I'm not suggesting someone else, but why her? I'm not making fun of you, I'm trying to understand you.
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Amarante




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 12:47 pm
Mommyg8 wrote:
One minute, you're mixing a lot of things up. They changed the law in the US many years ago (maybe 15, 20 years ago, if I remember correctly) to allow preexisting conditions and to add Cobra. This person bought health insurance on the open market.



You shouldn't talk about stuff about which you know nothing.

COBRA is part of the ERISA law and it enables one to continue health insurance after leaving a company for a period of 18 months provided one pays the premium plus a small administrative fee. After 18 months, one needs to find another form of insurance.

Prior to the AHCA there was NOTHING that forced health insurance companies to insure those with pre-existing conditions. In fact, the inability of those with any kind of medical condition - however minor or unrelated to real health issues - forced many people to go without medical insurance because they couldn't get.

And the person who got insurance with cancer - impossible unless you provide all of the relevant data because the statement on its face defies all actual knowledge of how health insurance companies 'underwrote" their applicants - ie. specifically screened to prevent their having to pay those whose health wasn't perfect.
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amother




Cerulean
 

Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 12:49 pm
amother wrote:
This thread is about AOC so that is what we are discussing, her politics, not her race. Start a new thread if you want to discuss anyone else.


I'm staying on topic. Someone asked why the GOP dislikes her so much. There are plenty of people in office who share her political views but you don't see them get the same treatment she does. As I brought up, there are current members of the GOP who espouse overtly racist views and there's still significantly less coverage about that than AOC dancing in a video. So no, I don't believe the fear of her is of her politics. I think the noise we hear about her is sparked by the same sentiment that made so much noise about a caravan is sparked by the same sentiment that inspired a horde of red-hat MAGA kids to jeer and mock a Native American veteran over the weekend. It's not about their politics.
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imasoftov




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 12:52 pm
Mommyg8 wrote:
One minute, you're mixing a lot of things up. They changed the law in the US many years ago (maybe 15, 20 years ago, if I remember correctly) to allow preexisting conditions and to add Cobra. This person bought health insurance on the open market.

Before this law, insurance was much cheaper so it was more available.

I'm not arguing that the health care system in the US is working, it's not. They keep passing laws to "fix" it, and each time they pass another law it gets broken just a little bit more, so that by now the mess is so gigongeous (I know that's not a word but it fits!) that the only thing that would work would be a complete overhaul, IMHO. Which is not happening at least partially because the mega corporations will not allow that to happen because the system works in their favor right now (because health insurance is a nontaxable benefit) and they have a powerful lobby.

I have zero confidence that anything here in America is going to change in my lifetime Sad. At least not for the better.

I will be delighted to continue arguing with you when you tell me precisely what law passed in what year you are talking about. And even then, stop talking about individual cases. I do not care if someone wound up with more money in the bank after cancer treatment than before. You're making the same, well I don't know if it's a mistake or deliberate arguing in bad faith, in the yeshiva education thread.
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Mommyg8




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 12:53 pm
Amarante wrote:
Sorry I don't believe that someone who had cancer was able to get private insurance after the diagnosis unless cancer was specifically excluded AND there was a hefty surcharge. I don't believe in garbage anecdotes as I dealt with medical insurance as part of my job in the years before AHCA.

And one kind of idiocy is it to say that if you couldn't get private insurance through your company, you could get it through Medicaid. Prior to AHCA you couldn't get Medicaid if you were a a regular adult and you certainly couldn't get it if your income was more than below the poverty line. That excluded any self employed individual.

Health care was NOT cheap before AHCA - that's another myth. The reason people thought it was CHEAPER was that the costs were hidden from most workers. Just ask anyone who found out what COBRA premiums would be when they left a company. Large corporations premiums also appear lower because they are spread across huge risk pools which include a lot of young employees who are cheap. Insuring employees in small businesses prior to the AHCA was NOT cheap because each employee was charged individually based upon their age. The only benefit was that back in the days if you could get insurance through a company, you were guaranteed to be able to get it - unlike trying to get it on your own through the private marketplace.

If one is going to postulate certain ideas, please have your facts straight and don't make these ridiculous claims. You are the one on the Proof of Excellence thread who claimed her brother could teach any college course and that he had the reading comprehension of a 10th grader when he was seven years old. Both of these claims are so beyond credibility that anything you post ceases to have any credibility - such as your statement that someone with diagnosed cancer was able to procure health insurance on the private marketplace prior to the AHCA - enabling people with pre-existing conditions to get insurance and be in the same risk pool as others of their age is one of the great reforms of the AHCA and one which the hypocritical Republicans claimed to be defending :-). Some states did have what were called risk pools - these were underfunded and premiums were often so high as to be out of reach for anyone of ordinary income.


First paragraph - yes it's true. I would give you the name of the person but he is not alive anymore and I think it would be extraordinarily insensitive to bring up this topic with the family.

Second paragraph - well, obviously you had to be below a certain income. But IIRC, there was such a thing as catastrophic medicaid that kicked in at some point. But honestly, anyone I know tried really hard to get a job with health insurance even if the salary would be lower. That was, in those times (many years ago) the responsible thing to do.

Health care was cheapER not before AHCA, I never said that - but around 30, 40 years ago. It was much more available through the workforce then.

Oh, I knew my brother would come into the picture here.

Why do you think my claim about my brother strains credibility? Amother orange, who was arguing with me, backed up my claim about the reading comprehension. You doubt that is possible? Really? I'm sure there are plenty of imamothers who can boast similar claims about their children. Please.

And yes, a person I know got health insurance even though he was diagnosed with cancer. PM me for the name.
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amother




Cyan
 

Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 12:53 pm
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keym




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 12:54 pm
Mommyg8 wrote:
One minute, you're mixing a lot of things up. They changed the law in the US many years ago (maybe 15, 20 years ago, if I remember correctly) to allow preexisting conditions and to add Cobra. This person bought health insurance on the open market.

Before this law, insurance was much cheaper so it was more available.

I'm not arguing that the health care system in the US is working, it's not. They keep passing laws to "fix" it, and each time they pass another law it gets broken just a little bit more, so that by now the mess is so gigongeous (I know that's not a word but it fits!) that the only thing that would work would be a complete overhaul, IMHO. Which is not happening at least partially because the mega corporations will not allow that to happen because the system works in their favor right now (because health insurance is a nontaxable benefit) and they have a powerful lobby.

I have zero confidence that anything here in America is going to change in my lifetime Sad. At least not for the better.


It went state by state- for preexisting conditions.
And young adults 18-26 were a huge problem. 15/20 years ago, when I was 18, I was kicked off my parents insurance because I was 18. I was working part time and in school- not eligible for work insurance, but not eligible for Medicaid- making 25k in a Midwest state.
I was not able to get insurance in that state not for any price in the world because..... 4 years earlier I had 6 sessions of grief counseling when my father died.
That was enough for preexisting conditions.
I was able to get catastrophic. I remember the terms. I paid $300/month so in case chv a catastrophe hit, I would be covered at 85% AFTER paying a 25k deductible.
That was the generation of people in 2008 who were looking for healthcare reform.
Mind you, I'm not happy with what's now, but at least I could get coverage despite my weight, blood pressure, or therapy appt.
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Amarante




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 12:55 pm
smileforamile wrote:
I couldn't care less whether AOC is Hispanic, black, Native American, Asian, Jewish, Caucasian, or any other ethnicity or race. Really doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is that she has a fan base unlike any other, when she espouses views that are more extreme than just about any other Democrat. Yes, Bernie was a threat, but he was running against a woman who had a lot of support. Now, there's no one that strong in the Democratic Party -- a perfect time for AOC to swoop in.

It wouldn't worry me if a moderate liberal got into office, but extreme liberals get me nervous. When Obama first ran, I didn't realize how liberal he would turn out to be. I thought that he was more of a moderate, so I wasn't so concerned when he won the election. I wasn't at all worried that he was black. Then, when he showed his lack of backbone, that's when I got nervous.


What exactly were Obama's "extreme" liberal positions?

Most progressives found Obama's actual positions extremely centrist - to the extent of being somewhat disappointed in his positions on many issues.
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Cyan
 

Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 12:59 pm
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itsmeima




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 1:05 pm
smileforamile wrote:
I couldn't care less whether AOC is Hispanic, black, Native American, Asian, Jewish, Caucasian, or any other ethnicity or race. Really doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is that she has a fan base unlike any other, when she espouses views that are more extreme than just about any other Democrat. Yes, Bernie was a threat, but he was running against a woman who had a lot of support. Now, there's no one that strong in the Democratic Party -- a perfect time for AOC to swoop in.

It wouldn't worry me if a moderate liberal got into office, but extreme liberals get me nervous. When Obama first ran, I didn't realize how liberal he would turn out to be. I thought that he was more of a moderate, so I wasn't so concerned when he won the election. I wasn't at all worried that he was black. Then, when he showed his lack of backbone, that's when I got nervous.


Bernie Sanders might actually run again in 2020 - why aren't Republicans obsessing over that?

Compared to Bernie Sanders her base is pretty small.
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itsmeima




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 1:08 pm
smileforamile wrote:
Using an executive order to force people to allow LGBTQ people to use the bathrooms of their identified genders. The Iran Deal. Obamacare. And more...

To me, that's liberalism at its finest. The only thing he did which didn't bother me so much was nominating Merrick Garland for the Supreme Court. I would've been okay with that.


...and healthy lunches!
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Mommyg8




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 1:09 pm
Amarante wrote:
You shouldn't talk about stuff about which you know nothing.

COBRA is part of the ERISA law and it enables one to continue health insurance after leaving a company for a period of 18 months provided one pays the premium plus a small administrative fee. After 18 months, one needs to find another form of insurance.

Prior to the AHCA there was NOTHING that forced health insurance companies to insure those with pre-existing conditions. In fact, the inability of those with any kind of medical condition - however minor or unrelated to real health issues - forced many people to go without medical insurance because they couldn't get.

And the person who got insurance with cancer - impossible unless you provide all of the relevant data because the statement on its face defies all actual knowledge of how health insurance companies 'underwrote" their applicants - ie. specifically screened to prevent their having to pay those whose health wasn't perfect.


I don't know "nothing" I know a little more than that. I know what COBRA is. I understand that you have to find another insurance after 18 months.

This actually forced many to find jobs that included health insurance, and that's what actually happened. Many people I know took jobs with a lower salary just to get health insurance. It was one of the facts of living in the US.

This story I am referring to took place before the AHCA. Unless someone I know and trust is lying through her teeth (and why would someone do that?), this is what actually happened. Like I said, it would be particularly insensitive to ask the family for details to verify, but that's what I was told. Many states had pre-existing condition laws, maybe that's what happened? But again, I don't know the details.
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Mommyg8




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 1:12 pm
imasoftov wrote:
I will be delighted to continue arguing with you when you tell me precisely what law passed in what year you are talking about. And even then, stop talking about individual cases. I do not care if someone wound up with more money in the bank after cancer treatment than before. You're making the same, well I don't know if it's a mistake or deliberate arguing in bad faith, in the yeshiva education thread.


I live here, so I know what I lived through. There are all kinds of laws that passed over the years, I am not interested in writing a thesis. If you are not sure, look it up.

Noone wound up with more money in the bank after cancer treatment - the idea is beyond absurd. They just got - some - of the treatment covered. By paying a huge amount of money.

And please, no implications, tell me up front what you find absurd about what I argued in the yeshiva thread.
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leah233




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 1:30 pm
I'm not so against socialized medicine but there is no way the US can be compared to Europe or any other place that has it. Those places aren't nearly as litigious as the US is. In the US doctors can pay one third of their gross income for malpractice insurance. In the US doctors have all sorts of expensive unnecessary tests done to avoid getting sued. Therefore the cost of socialized medicine in the US would be way beyond the cost of implementing it any other county.

Who is going to pay for it? How?
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amother




Firebrick
 

Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 1:36 pm
amother wrote:
I'm staying on topic. Someone asked why the GOP dislikes her so much. There are plenty of people in office who share her political views but you don't see them get the same treatment she does. As I brought up, there are current members of the GOP who espouse overtly racist views and there's still significantly less coverage about that than AOC dancing in a video. So no, I don't believe the fear of her is of her politics. I think the noise we hear about her is sparked by the same sentiment that made so much noise about a caravan is sparked by the same sentiment that inspired a horde of red-hat MAGA kids to jeer and mock a Native American veteran over the weekend. It's not about their politics.

I'll come back later to answer questions in full detail but I just wanted to address the incident this weekend with the boys and the Native American. The footage proves that these boys did nothing wrong and the Native American guy should have stayed on his side of the street instead of approaching these boys. The boys did nothing wrong but were attacked for being white. Just like the Nazis attacked Jews for no reason other than being Jewish. Watch the videos yourself before you accuse these boys of doing something wrong as they now have grounds to sue the media for defamation.



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Cyan
 

Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 1:49 pm
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Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 1:52 pm
First of all, a big shout-out to the Imamothers who are participating using their screen names. Even if we disagree, people who are willing to attach a persona -- even a relatively anonymous one -- deserve credit.

Socialism works great if the following conditions are met:

1) The country/group is relatively homogeneous in terms of background, values, priorities, ethics, and culture.

2) The country/group is relatively small and manageable.

3) Good, honest people with little desire for personal enrichment are in charge.

4) Smart people are in charge.

This is why a number of European countries can embrace Socialism to one degree or another and experience good results.

The problems arise when any one of those conditions is not met. Sweden was a highly successful example of Socialism until the country's population changed, resulting in a population who disagree on basic values and priorities. Venezuela should by all rights be a wealthy nation no matter how much or little government the citizens want, but people are reduced to eating their pets because of corrupt and stupid leaders.

To get an accurate idea of how Socialism would work in the U.S., go back to the threads about people receiving various forms of government aid. You'll find impassioned posts condemning people who take unfair advantage in various ways; of people who use government aid as a plan, not a safety net; of people who cynically manipulate their eligibility, etc.

That, ladies, would be the outcome of attempting to impose Socialism on as large and diverse a country as the U.S.
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As for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, I have slightly mixed feelings. On the positive side, I like the fact that she occasionally points out that the emperor has no clothes. Her criticisms of the NY deal with Amazon and Congressional internships were spot-on.

But she is also an extreme example of a politician who has never had to make a payroll. Sadly, that category includes most elected officials and bureaucrats, but her youth and inexperience make it more obvious. If she were able to eventually integrate her tell-it-like-it-is quality with some economic reality checks, she could potentially harness her idealism in a positive way.

At this point, however, her association with anti-Semitic elements of the hard left and her participation in the Women's March should put her in the same category as Rep. Steve King. Given the Democrats' increasing tolerance for anti-Semitism, though, I'm not going to hold my breath for her rehabilitation.
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Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 1:55 pm
amother wrote:
I'll come back later to answer questions in full detail but I just wanted to address the incident this weekend with the boys and the Native American. The footage proves that these boys did nothing wrong and the Native American guy should have stayed on his side of the street instead of approaching these boys. The boys did nothing wrong but were attacked for being white. Just like the Nazis attacked Jews for no reason other than being Jewish. Watch the videos yourself before you accuse these boys of doing something wrong as they now have grounds to sue the media for defamation.





Just talking about the you tube you posted. I watched the first one (the second was over an hour). How does it show the native American guy starting anything?

(I haven't seen any coverage of this incident, so don't really know what the big deal is)

Edited to add - looked it up a little bit. This was at the Indigenous People's March. The boys came to a scheduled event and mocked them. There was no "side of his street" . It was his event.
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Fox




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 2:16 pm
Firebrick Amother wrote:
I'll come back later to answer questions in full detail but I just wanted to address the incident this weekend with the boys and the Native American. The footage proves that these boys did nothing wrong and the Native American guy should have stayed on his side of the street instead of approaching these boys.

Thank you for pointing out Cerulean Amother's factual error regarding this incident. The full hour-plus video shows that the boys were being heckled by another group nearby, and that Mr. Phillips confronted them, possibly after mistaking their school cheer for a political slogan.

The boys reportedly believed that Mr. Phillips was approaching them in a friendly manner, which is why they were smiling and jumping around. Only when he began saying, "Go back to Europe. This is not your land," did they realize that there was nothing friendly about the encounter.

Since late last night, Twitter has been awash with journalists at various levels of the food chain timidly backtracking their previous vile comments, claiming they had "been played." Many of us on Twitter tried to hold their feet to the fire, reminding them that journalists' job is to ask questions before jumping to conclusions, and pointing out that the average high school yearbook reporter does more investigation than they bestirred themselves to do. This was not just a Buzzfeed-type failure, btw; it extended to conservative outlets, too.
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Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 2:25 pm
simcha2 wrote:
Edited to add - looked it up a little bit. This was at the Indigenous People's March. The boys came to a scheduled event and mocked them. There was no "side of his street" . It was his event.

Really? Precisely where did you look it up?

Because you've been seriously misled.

The boys were waiting in a specific location as directed to be picked up by their bus. There was an Indigenous People's March going on simultaneously nearby. There was also a group of Black Israelites protesting, and they had been heckling the boys with racial and homophobic slurs. The boys responded with school cheers.

These high school boys were deliberately put in an awkward situation by a seasoned activist in search of a photo-op. They had no experience in dealing with this kind of public confrontation, and they initially thought they were being approached in a friendly manner. The single boy standing in place was reportedly unsure what to do or how to react when Mr. Phillips began telling him to "go back to Europe."

Teenagers, especially teenage boys, are typically awkward and uncomfortable in unfamiliar or unexpected situations. I pray that the children of all the people condemning these kids have sympathetic adults in their lives when they reach adolescence.
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