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Cyan


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 10:29 pm
We've spent a fortune on kriah tutors over the years. He still struggles immensely. As you can imagine, Gemara is NOT going well. He can't teitch a pasuk from Chumash. He can't identify shorashim. He can't even read a multisyllabic word properly - he gets a lot of the osios and nekudos confused.

We live OOT and his cheder doesn't have a resource room. They have some people who pull kids out to tutor them, but the tutors don't have real training, and don't use a systematic multisensory approach.

I contacted a place called the Kriah Clinic, that offers summer workshops for kids like my son. What else should I be looking into?
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amother




Gray


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 10:36 pm
My son is 7 and has a bit of a hard time with reading and kriah. The school gives him lots of extra help, among them a teacher who is teaching the LIPS program. Similar to the slingerling program I think. Bh he is really getting it and I see a major break through. Is there any way u can get a teacher who specializes in a specific method like these?
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amother




Cyan


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 10:39 pm
Unfortunately there's nobody in my community trained in these type of programs. Sad
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nchr




 
 
 


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 10:44 pm
How is your son doing with English? Usually, if a child cannot read Hebrew, they have an even harder time with English. Has he been evaluated? If his English is fine, then maybe he just needs to start with the basics (and you can reach out to conservative Hebrew day schools for tutors for that). If his English is also struggling, a proper evaluation can steer you in the right direction.
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amother




Mustard


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 11:04 pm
Free evaluation online: https://www.torah4children.com/evaluation

They also have a Kriyah remedial program available that you can do with your child.
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supermamma




 
 
 


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 11:10 pm
I know people who have come to the NY/NJ area for the summer to have intensive Kriah with a trailer specialist.
Another suggestion have you checked his eyesight? Reg exam & prism exam
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seeker




 
 
 


Post  Sun, Jan 20 2019, 11:42 pm
I think Kriah Master (?) has a program that can be done from home by a parent. It's solidly based on Orton Gillingham which is the go-to for serious reading issues. Unfortunately a "summer workshop" though it could possibly be valuable is just not going to be enough for someone with such significant delays. You need to take this on intensely.
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amother




Cyan


Post  Mon, Jan 21 2019, 1:00 am
His English is fine. He had a lot of trouble learning to read, but we got him a lot of help and now BH he's fine.

Vision is fine.

I'll look into the resources suggested. Thank you!
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amother




Smokey


Post  Mon, Jan 21 2019, 1:14 am
We had a similar issue. Vision was tested and was fine, but further testing showed significant binocular dysfunction which the eye drs didn’t pick up on. This may not be your son’s issue but I wanted to pass along.
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sped




 
 
 


Post  Mon, Jan 21 2019, 1:52 am
seeker wrote:
I think Kriah Master (?) has a program that can be done from home by a parent. It's solidly based on Orton Gillingham which is the go-to for serious reading issues. Unfortunately a "summer workshop" though it could possibly be valuable is just not going to be enough for someone with such significant delays. You need to take this on intensely.

Actually, this was in Israel but: My friend has a very bright son who had serious difficulty learning to read. After trying all the "regular" ways, she went to someone who does an INTENSIVE 2 week special program that really broke through and got him going. She basically took 2 weeks off from work (a parent needs to accompany the child and be there with him/her) and he took 2 weeks off from school, but it really worked. He does need reinforcement, but it's mostly done at home. Now, about 2 years later, he's even begun to read for pleasure. IOW, it can be done.
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seeker




 
 
 


Post  Mon, Jan 21 2019, 2:49 am
Cool. I'd be interested in learning what type of program that was. However, you do say that follow up was needed at home. This actually reinforces my point that a short term program could be helpful but not enough.
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amother




Mistyrose


Post  Mon, Jan 21 2019, 9:29 am
Please do not dismise the idea that it might be a vision issue. When you visit the New York area please do your son a favor and visit Dr. Nyar (914) 345-1490 I know personally a few families who benifited from him including my self.
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amother




Emerald


Post  Mon, Jan 21 2019, 10:19 am
Me Chani Karp is amazing - she helped my nephew
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amother




Lavender


Post  Mon, Jan 21 2019, 10:21 am
sped wrote:
Actually, this was in Israel but: My friend has a very bright son who had serious difficulty learning to read. After trying all the "regular" ways, she went to someone who does an INTENSIVE 2 week special program that really broke through and got him going. She basically took 2 weeks off from work (a parent needs to accompany the child and be there with him/her) and he took 2 weeks off from school, but it really worked. He does need reinforcement, but it's mostly done at home. Now, about 2 years later, he's even begun to read for pleasure. IOW, it can be done.

What is the program?
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amother




Babypink


Post  Mon, Jan 21 2019, 10:32 am
In my family, most of my siblings struggled to some degree only with Hebrew kriah. We pick up on English much faster and read ahead of our level but Hebrew is a big struggle.

Most of us had to do years of extra practice at home to keep up.
The brother who had the biggest issues actually had a hearing problem that took a few years to resolve that made the issue much worse. In 6-8th grade he would go to a kriah specialist. Her name is Draizy Zelcer. She lives in Lakewood now, I think. I don't know what her method is but when he practiced at home, he would draw the nekudos he was reading with his finger.

When I read Rashi Hebrew, it's almost like I see letters that aren't there. So if I look at a word and then you read it to me, I'll be like, isn't there a shin in there? And then I'll look again and there actually isn't a shin but I will swear I saw it a minute ago.
I also sometimes swap numbers when I say them out loud unless I concentrate very hard. So I'll say 46 when it's 64. I think that might be a dyslexia kind of thing but it wasn't a big enough issue in my case to ever get a formal diagnosis.

My point is that there are many different types of issues that can lead to someone struggling to read. The key is to figure out what the issue is and then which type of specialist can work with it.

When your son reads something wrong, and you say, no it says xyz, ask him how he saw it. And what's the hardest part, is it the nekodos, the letters, an unfamiliar word...

Also, maybe a specialist would do sessions over Skype of something like that.

Good luck! And know there is hope. That brother I mentioned is able to read gemora by himself now and is holding on par with his age.
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Pooh




 
 
 


Post  Mon, Jan 21 2019, 10:39 am
sped wrote:
Actually, this was in Israel but: My friend has a very bright son who had serious difficulty learning to read. After trying all the "regular" ways, she went to someone who does an INTENSIVE 2 week special program that really broke through and got him going. She basically took 2 weeks off from work (a parent needs to accompany the child and be there with him/her) and he took 2 weeks off from school, but it really worked. He does need reinforcement, but it's mostly done at home. Now, about 2 years later, he's even begun to read for pleasure. IOW, it can be done.



I wonder if its the davis method for dyslexia, ive been looking into it for my children. I have heard some success stories, its not necessarily just for dyslexia, helps kids and adults with adhd and even autism process letters visually since they tend to be visual thinkers.
look into it op, there may be providers in your area.
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amother




Fuchsia


Post  Mon, Jan 21 2019, 10:50 am
My DS was the same. When he was 15 his teacher recommended a place in EY called Machon L’kriah .
My husband flew to EY with my son who ended up learning there for 2.5 months.
It B”H worked! He came back a different child.
He worked hard & saw results. He had a new self confidence.
Now 2.5 years later he is reading without nekudos. Learning Gemara. I’m not going to say his learning magically improved. He was very behind & he’s still catching up. However, his attitude is so different now that it was worth it just for that.
The people in the machon are amazing.
There are boys coming there from all over the world (including EY).
If you can do it I highly recommend it.
We wasted so much money & time on tutors ...
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amother




Cyan


Post  Mon, Jan 21 2019, 1:42 pm
Thank you, I'm taking everyone's suggestions into consideration. It's a relief to hear about people who were helped.

Where can I learn more about the program in EY? I seem to remember reading about it, years ago, in one of the magazines. I don't know how we'd possibly manage the financial aspect, but whatever we need to do, Hashem will help us do.
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amother




Cyan


Post  Mon, Jan 21 2019, 1:53 pm
I googled a bit and came up with this. Apparently the Israeli program mentioned above now has a Lakewood branch that opened up just recently? Does anyone have firsthand experience with them yet?

https://hamodia.com/2018/12/23.....the-lines/
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sped




 
 
 


Post  Mon, Jan 21 2019, 3:17 pm
sped wrote:
Actually, this was in Israel but: My friend has a very bright son who had serious difficulty learning to read. After trying all the "regular" ways, she went to someone who does an INTENSIVE 2 week special program that really broke through and got him going. She basically took 2 weeks off from work (a parent needs to accompany the child and be there with him/her) and he took 2 weeks off from school, but it really worked. He does need reinforcement, but it's mostly done at home. Now, about 2 years later, he's even begun to read for pleasure. IOW, it can be done.

I don't know the exact method but I know it included using play dough to form shapes that act as prompts for the reading. IIRC, the teacher works in Raanana and it costs $$$$. If it's relevant then please pm me and I'll try to find out more.
The reinforcement needed at home was basically reading books at the appropriate level.
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