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Squishy




 
 
 


Post  Wed, Feb 20 2019, 8:00 am
This is a spin-off of another thead about social media. https://www.imamother.com/foru.....56#4418377

We were discussing whether AOC is dumb as a stone or smart like Trump. I don't see that AOC has the brain power to reinvent herself from a privileged person from Westchester whose family belonged to country clubs to a poor person from an electable district in the Bronx. She even changed her name to appeal to Bronx voters.

I got interested in her boyfriend when she gave him access to the house computer and read he is something of a computer professional. My theroy popped into my head when a poster wrote:

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She’s a absolutely not dumb. I wouldn’t underestimate her. And why would you assume it has to be a man behind her social media success?


Squishy wrote:
She's dumb. She doesn't understand basic finance. She conflates taxes with premiums and says to invest the 2.5 million in tax credits like the money actually existed. What about her nonsense of using the pentagon waste to fund a her program. Clueless.

This is her boyfriend:

"Riley Roberts is a veteran of the Obama Administration, Capitol Hill, and the campaign trail. A seasoned writer, speechwriter, and communications strategist, Riley crafts speeches, op-eds, core narratives, and other materials for leaders on the world’s biggest stages."

Who do you think had the skills? Riley Roberts or the bartender? AOC is the charismatic puppet. He cringes when she voices her stupidity.


Please discuss.

Did you read about this anywhere but here? I would love to know if anyone else suspects this.
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amother




Brunette


Post  Wed, Feb 20 2019, 8:15 am
I think no matter how ignorant she is we have to be vigilant
in this upside down world
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imasoftov




 
 
 


Post  Wed, Feb 20 2019, 9:30 am
OK, I'll paste what I said in the other thread.

While in high school she "won second prize in the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair with a microbiology research project on the effect of antioxidants on the lifespan of the nematode C. elegans" and "took part in the National Hispanic Institute's Lorenzo de Zavala (LDZ) Youth Legislative Session". She went to Boston Universtiy where she had a fellowship, and "served as an intern in the immigration office during the final year of U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy's tenure", she graduated come laude.

In addition to working as a bartender and a waitress, she "launched Brook Avenue Press, a publishing firm for books that portray the Bronx in a positive light", "worked as lead educational strategist at GAGEis, Inc", and "worked for the nonprofit National Hispanic Institute (NHI)"

All quotes and other resume-worthy items are from wikipedia, each is footnoted.

I also am curious of your disdain for blue-collar workers, or perhaps only those in food service. Do you have an equally low opinion of Jews who work in similar jobs?
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Squishy




 
 
 


Post  Wed, Feb 20 2019, 9:40 am
amother wrote:
I think no matter how ignorant she is we have to be vigilant
in this upside down world


I agree that she is dangerous with her democratic socialism. I think her boyfriend saw that Bernie Saunders may have been the candidate if Hillary didn't steal the nomination. Her BF scripted a person who could tap into the energy Bernie released.

I think much of her persona is to grab headlines. She lives in a luxury building and wears designer clothes. Her luxury building doesn't have any affordable housing units. She complained that she couldn't afford rent yet her wardrobe is really expensive.

She falters on tough questions and sounds like a 10 year old with all her "like"s. She refuses to debate.
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itsmeima




 
 
 


Post  Wed, Feb 20 2019, 10:30 am
imasoftov wrote:
OK, I'll paste what I said in the other thread.

While in high school she "won second prize in the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair with a microbiology research project on the effect of antioxidants on the lifespan of the nematode C. elegans" and "took part in the National Hispanic Institute's Lorenzo de Zavala (LDZ) Youth Legislative Session". She went to Boston Universtiy where she had a fellowship, and "served as an intern in the immigration office during the final year of U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy's tenure", she graduated come laude.

In addition to working as a bartender and a waitress, she "launched Brook Avenue Press, a publishing firm for books that portray the Bronx in a positive light", "worked as lead educational strategist at GAGEis, Inc", and "worked for the nonprofit National Hispanic Institute (NHI)"

All quotes and other resume-worthy items are from wikipedia, each is footnoted.

I also am curious of your disdain for blue-collar workers, or perhaps only those in food service. Do you have an equally low opinion of Jews who work in similar jobs?


Thanks for reposting it here!
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leah233




 
 
 


Post  Wed, Feb 20 2019, 10:42 am
She, like many other successful people isn't particularly book smart but she is VERY street smart.

She could never win a debate with an intelligent well informed person about her political ideas and proposals. Not only would she lose the debate she would come across as an ignorant buffoon. I doubt she herself really understand all the concepts she talks about. Even on a superficial level.

Even so she does has a relatively easy time demagouging large crowds into believing her political ideas and proposals. Because when it comes to street smarts she is absolutely brilliant.


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allthingsblue




 
 
 


Post  Wed, Feb 20 2019, 10:43 am
I firmly believe she is smart and ambitious.

I also firmly disagree with her and think her ideas are foolish or dangerous.
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flowerpower




 
 
 


Post  Wed, Feb 20 2019, 10:44 am
allthingsblue wrote:
I firmly believe she is smart and ambitious.

I also firmly disagree with her and think her ideas are foolish or dangerous.


I firmly believe she is dumb and dangerous.
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allthingsblue




 
 
 


Post  Wed, Feb 20 2019, 10:47 am
I'm not a fan of generalizations but anyone who thinks she is dumb is in denial.
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simcha2




 
 
 


Post  Wed, Feb 20 2019, 11:24 am
I didn't read the other thread so apologies if I'm repeating. And in truth I don't know much about AOC. She is a freshmen senator, relatively unimportant if you look at the government as a whole.

But Squishy wrote "whether AOC is dumb as a stone or smart like Trump". And it got me thinking.

If we take a moment to analyse the assumption that Trump is smart. He is proud to be uneducated on matters and that he doesn't read. And he is happy to ignore advisers who are experienced and knowledgeable if their assessment doesn't fit his worldview or goals. But, you don't get to be president with no skills. As Fox (the poster, not the mainstream media channel) has posited many times, his strength is his ability to identify and exploit weakness in others.

This is clearly the case with his base. Their big weakness (and I acknowledge the generalization) is their fear. Fear of being left behind, fear of "white genocide", fear of immigrants and "the other".

He then exploits this weakness by emphasizing those very things and setting himself up as the savior.

The same with his obsession with AOC. The reason for the many column inches about her is because of the number given by the Right. She represents all that Trump's base fear and by exploiting that fear (weakness) in his base he grows his own support. Trump needs to set her up as the enemy, as fearsome, as the new face of the Democrats in order to keep his base fearful and himself in power.

So, as I said, I don't really have much of an opinion of a freshman. But I think that right's obsession with her shows Trump's manipulation of his base, by playing on their big weakness.
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ectomorph




 
 
 


Post  Wed, Feb 20 2019, 11:34 am
Squishy no one else has suggested that her bf is behind her because that would be extremely sexist.
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Fox




 
 
 


Post  Wed, Feb 20 2019, 11:40 am
I don't think "dumb" or "smart" matters one bit. In fact, AOC is probably like the rest of us: dumb when it comes to some things and smart when it comes to others.

She has outsize influence because she's young, attractive, and projects an authenticity that people find appealing.

As for socialism, it is the perfect economic system for nuclear families. It can even be applied successfully in extended families and clans. It can be modestly successful in small states where the population shares a culture and values. When applied to any group larger or more diverse than that, it must be done at the end of a gun.

Or, as Thomas Sowell put it, "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it."

So while I find AOC's embrace of socialism to be clear evidence of her elitist, misguided education, that doesn't mean she's wrong about everything. In fact, she's at her best when pointing out that the emperor has no clothes, such as her objections to the Amazon deal.

I have a feeling, though, that whatever the trajectory of her political career, AOC will end up a multi-millionaire, one more perennial urban hipster pretending to be a voice for the disenfranchised.
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amother




Azure


Post  Wed, Feb 20 2019, 11:44 am
fox- you think she was right for not wanting to work with Amazon?
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Fox




 
 
 


Post  Wed, Feb 20 2019, 12:14 pm
amother wrote:
fox- you think she was right for not wanting to work with Amazon?

I'm not sure whether it's a matter of right or wrong. It's a matter of value.

I think her analysis of the deal was accurate: NY was giving away a lot of incentives in exchange for promises that Amazon was highly unlikely to keep and benefits that were suspect.

Depending on which predictions you believe, the 25K jobs promised might result in as few as 1500 jobs for current residents of NY. But net new jobs isn't the only thing to consider. You have to also consider the impact of new residents on real estate prices; the addition of money to the local economy; contribution as well as stress on the infrastructure . . . it's not an easy calculation.

While it might seem obvious that a huge corporate location would automatically funnel money into local businesses, that's not necessarily true with a behemoth like Amazon. They are unlikely to support small local businesses that truly fuel job growth.

And here is where I disagree sharply with AOC as well as Governor Cuomo: If NY wants to create jobs, they can do so by reducing taxes and fees for businesses.

My family business had a location in NY for about 6 years, and we eventually closed it and laid off 8 full-time employees with benefits. The taxes and nuisance fees were ridiculous. In addition to normal taxes, the city and state constantly had their hands out for fees, licenses, and whatnot. It was $200 here; $1500 there . . . it felt like constant extortion.

Now, multiply my experience times hundreds of thousands -- and you see why people, companies, and jobs are fleeing NY. It's not the weather.
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Fox




 
 
 


Post  Wed, Feb 20 2019, 12:35 pm
simcha2 wrote:
As Fox (the poster, not the mainstream media channel) has posited many times, his strength is his ability to identify and exploit weakness in others.

Actually, I didn't "posit" anything. I was quoting Barbara Corcoran.

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I watched him totally not pitch about the hotel but talked about the land masses and the Hudson River and all the buildings that would be there,” she recalled. “They [the buyers] were not the least bit interested; they just wanted to buy the Plaza Hotel. I watched him and thought he was so off. But he wasn’t. In the end, they bought the land and built all those towers on the west bank of the Hudson River that we know today.

He is a genius at picking out the vulnerability in someone’s personality. He can smell it, sense it and trust it,” Corcoran said. “If you’d walk into a business meeting with Donald and you are saying whatever you are saying—and I’ve seen this time and time again—he could see what your weakness is and play into it. Not the nicest thing in the world, but it’s certainly a gift I’ve never seen in anyone else.

Observer

simcha2 wrote:
This is clearly the case with his base. Their big weakness (and I acknowledge the generalization) is their fear. Fear of being left behind, fear of "white genocide", fear of immigrants and "the other".

While you are acknowledging the "generalization," why not come out and acknowledge the incredible bigotry and hate behind your words. You are slandering 60 million people with no evidence whatsoever -- just repeating President Obama's hate-filled rhetoric.

Frankly, if you feel comfortable making such a claim, you are no better than someone saying, "blacks are lazy" or "Hispanics are thieves" or "women are too emotional." There are plenty of people who are happy to discuss the pros and cons of specific policies, laws, and cultural trends -- whether related to President Trump or not -- without publicly trotting out whatever execrable stereotypes and prejudices we might be hiding.
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simcha2




 
 
 


Post  Wed, Feb 20 2019, 12:41 pm
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Actually, I didn't "posit" anything. I was quoting Barbara Corcoran


As you have never (that I have noticed) given a credit for this observation,I assumed it was yours. You have ascribed to it multiple times.

So, if Trump's cleverness is exploiting other's weaknesses (as you have stated many times, apparently quoting a raeltor). What weaknesses is he exploiting in his base?

I sorry you see being fearful of something and having that pointed out as bigotry.

I think the whole national emergency is clearly based on fear. You can certainly have a debate about immigration (legal and illegal), but Trump's intro to declaring a national emergency was entirely about exploiting fear.

"We are talking about an invasion of our country with drugs, with human traffickers, with all types of criminals and gangs."
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amother




Babypink


Post  Wed, Feb 20 2019, 1:00 pm
Here are rhetorical questions I sometimes see asked about her.

If everything else had her ideas and her social media savvy but was an older ,very overweight white male, would he still be so successful?

Would he still be the new face of the Democratic party?

Would there still be so many fawning fans?
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simcha2




 
 
 


Post  Wed, Feb 20 2019, 1:06 pm
amother wrote:
Here are rhetorical questions I sometimes see asked about her.

If everything else about her ideas and her social media savvy were the same but she was an older ,very overweight white male, would he still be so successful?

Would he still be the new face of the Democratic party?

Would there still be so many fawning fans?


It's only those on the right that are claiming that she is the new face of the Democrats. This serves their purpose (look at those crazy Democrats - they're going to turn the whole country socialist). Playing on fear.
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leah233




 
 
 


Post  Wed, Feb 20 2019, 1:14 pm
simcha2 wrote:
It's only those on the right that are claiming that she is the new face of the Democrats. This serves their purpose (look at those crazy Democrats - they're going to turn the whole country socialist). Playing on fear.



Actually, it was the Democratic National Committee chair, Tom Perez, who was the first to call her "the future of our party" and coin that phrase about her

He was not alone among the Democrats to say that.
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amother




Orchid


Post  Wed, Feb 20 2019, 1:37 pm
Squishy , she seems to be taking up a lot of your energy and head space. Just wondering why you're paying so much attention to her and why you seem to be so obsessed over her? Politicians come and go. There are many of them. Many of them make lots of ridiculous noise. Many are smart, many are stupid, many make lots of noise. Most don't become president or go anywhere special. Why are you so hyperfocused on her?
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