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amother
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Post Wed, Apr 17 2019, 10:32 pm
(This anti-vax mess is only going to get worse for the frum population, not better. Outsiders will avoid us like the plague. Please dont answer that non-Jews and non-frum Jews hate us anyhow.)

An Israeli flight attendant has slipped into a coma after contracting measles, according to health officials.

The 43-year-old woman has encephalitis, or inflammation of the brain, a well-known and potentially deadly complication of the virus. She was otherwise healthy before getting measles.

“She’s been in a deep coma for 10 days, and we’re now just hoping for the best,” said Dr. Itamar Grotto, associate director general of Israel’s Ministry of Health.

The flight attendant, who works for El Al, the Israeli national airline, might have contracted the virus in New York, in Israel or on a flight between the two, Grotto said. Health authorities do not believed that she spread the virus to anyone on the flights.

She’s unable to breathe on her own and on a respirator in the intensive care unit at Meir Medical Center in Kfar Saba, near Tel Aviv.

She developed a fever on March 31 and entered the hospital that same day.

Ongoing measles outbreaks in the United States and Israel started with parents who’ve chosen not to vaccinate their children, according to health authorities. Authorities believe that the flight attendant was vaccinated as a child, but the vaccine isn’t perfect, and in her case, it didn’t work.

“I knew this was going to happen sooner or later,” said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University and an adviser to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on vaccines. “We have the reintroduction of a serious viral infection with a population that’s withholding the vaccine from their children, and now it’s spreading beyond that population.”

https://www.theyeshivaworld.co......html
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trixx




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Apr 18 2019, 5:08 am
There's another thread on this same update
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amother
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Post Thu, Apr 18 2019, 5:33 am
trixx wrote:
There's another thread on this same update


Youre right.

I thought it was breaking news being that Yeshiva World just posted this on 4/17.
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little neshamala




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Apr 18 2019, 6:00 am
amother [ OP ] wrote:
Youre right.

I thought it was breaking news being that Yeshiva World just posted this on 4/17.


Youre not late, it is breaking news...the story was on CNN yesterday morning, YWN wrote about it in the evening.

Either way, its tragic and horrifying.
It makes me very very angry that this poor woman is in a COMA because antivaxers dont believe measles is anything more than a common disease that "everybody used to get, stop making such a big deal about it"

Id like to hear from those williamsburg ladies now. Heck, I'd like to hear from ANY antivaxer.

This is completely on them.
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Sebastian




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Apr 18 2019, 6:03 am
as long as their kid don't have to get "dangerous vaccines" why would they care about the poor woman? They only care about themselves and their paranoid fears.

[ime ppl. with real reasons not to vaccinate are taking more precautions to avoid exposure. It's the quacks that get educated from PEACH magazine and the akerez habayis hotline that don't care]
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little neshamala




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Apr 18 2019, 6:10 am
Sebastian wrote:
as long as their kid don't have to get "dangerous vaccines" why would they care about the poor woman? They only care about themselves and their paranoid fears.

[ime ppl. with real reasons not to vaccinate are taking more precautions to avoid exposing others. It's the quacks that get educated from PEACH magazine and the akerez habayis hotline that don't care]


Yup. The problem is how many of them there are.
Rockland County just announced a new law that makes it illegal for unvaccinated people to gather in public places, punishable by a $2000 fine. This was like a day or 2 ago...originally when they started talking like that, I thought it might be a bit extreme. Like really, what, we need to walk around with our immunization records? Now, im actually happy they said that. And I find myself wishing that they would enforce it!!! I honestly will glady walk around with our immunization records at this point. Enough is enough!!!

The mind boggling thing is, had the antivaxers kept themselves at home when this whole thing started last sukkos-this would have been over within a month. Thats it. One month of keeping your non vaccinated selves home, and it would have went away.

But no. Proudly parade around town, insisting you have every right to do so. Infect as many non-immune people as possible, just to prove what a safe disease this is. Twisted Evil
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amother
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Post Thu, Apr 18 2019, 6:21 am
little neshamala wrote:
Yup. The problem is how many of them there are.
Rockland County just announced a new law that makes it illegal for unvaccinated people to gather in public places, punishable by a $2000 fine. This was like a day or 2 ago...originally when they started talking like that, I thought it might be a bit extreme. Like really, what, we need to walk around with our immunization records? Now, im actually happy they said that. And I find myself wishing that they would enforce it!!! I honestly will glady walk around with our immunization records at this point. Enough is enough!!!

The mind boggling thing is, had the antivaxers kept themselves at home when this whole thing started last sukkos-this would have been over within a month. Thats it. One month of keeping your non vaccinated selves home, and it would have went away.

But no. Proudly parade around town, insisting you have every right to do so. Infect as many non-immune people as possible, just to prove what a safe disease this is. Twisted Evil


Not quite. The fine is for:

Anyone either diagnosed with measles or exposed to a person who has been diagnosed with measles must stay away from indoor and outdoor places of assembly for up to 21 days.

It doesn't specifically target people who did not vaccinate.
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little neshamala




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Apr 18 2019, 8:13 am
amother [ Hotpink ] wrote:
Not quite. The fine is for:

Anyone either diagnosed with measles or exposed to a person who has been diagnosed with measles must stay away from indoor and outdoor places of assembly for up to 21 days.

It doesn't specifically target people who did not vaccinate.


Ah youre right, I stand corrected.
But the point is, now I want them to penalize! Im sorry but I do.
This poor woman is in a coma. We have to wait ch"v ch"v ch"v for it to happen to someone in our community???
Trace people who were exposed! Go trace their subsequent whereabouts! Use everything at your disposal, then go penalize them!
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JoyInTheMorning




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Apr 18 2019, 8:55 am
little neshamala wrote:
Ah youre right, I stand corrected.
But the point is, now I want them to penalize! Im sorry but I do.
This poor woman is in a coma. We have to wait ch"v ch"v ch"v for it to happen to someone in our community???
Trace people who were exposed! Go trace their subsequent whereabouts! Use everything at your disposal, then go penalize them!


This poor woman *is* someone in our community. Kol yisrael areivim zeh lazeh.

And even if she were not Jewish, she was still created b'tzelem Elokim, in God's image, and partakes of the Divine spirit. We have no right to act in ways that endanger others.
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little neshamala




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Apr 18 2019, 9:00 am
JoyInTheMorning wrote:
This poor woman *is* someone in our community. Kol yisrael areivim zeh lazeh.

And even if she were not Jewish, she was still created b'tzelem Elokim, in God's image, and partakes of the Divine spirit. We have no right to act in ways that endanger others.


Of course! What I meant by "our community" was specifically monsey, that has this new law up-but everyone knows theyre not acting on it.
My point was: I wish Rockland county officials would actually penalize someone, or are they only waiting for someone in rockland county/monsey to fall into a coma ch"v, before they take action?

As far as this flight attendent goes-first of all she is a Jew. She is instantly our sister, and is part of our family. Done.
And if she wouldnt be a Jew-she is still a person! A beautiful person created by G-d with a family, a life, and she does not deserve this!!
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amother
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Post Thu, Apr 18 2019, 9:09 am
little neshamala wrote:
Of course! What I meant by "our community" was specifically monsey, that has this new law up-but everyone knows theyre not acting on it.
My point was: I wish Rockland county officials would actually penalize someone, or are they only waiting for someone in rockland county/monsey to fall into a coma ch"v, before they take action?


If you saw someone with what you think is measles 'out and about', would you call the police?
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little neshamala




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Apr 18 2019, 9:21 am
amother [ Hotpink ] wrote:
If you saw someone with what you think is measles 'out and about', would you call the police?


I would call my Rav and ask him what to do. My instinct says "yes!" But I would need to make sure its halachicly fine to do so first.

It might sound crazy...but the alternative is to let them infect more people.
This woman who is in a coma...its no surprise to people on her medical team! None of them are acratching their heads and saying" what an odd, rare reaction".
Its because of enchepalitis, which every single vaccine poster has been advertising is a known possible complication. The infectious disease specialist was quoted as saying it was only a matter of time. "I knew this was going to happen sooner or later"


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JoyInTheMorning




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Apr 18 2019, 9:23 am
little neshamala wrote:
Of course! What I meant by "our community" was specifically monsey, that has this new law up-but everyone knows theyre not acting on it.
My point was: I wish Rockland county officials would actually penalize someone, or are they only waiting for someone in rockland county/monsey to fall into a coma ch"v, before they take action?

As far as this flight attendent goes-first of all she is a Jew. She is instantly our sister, and is part of our family. Done.
And if she wouldnt be a Jew-she is still a person! A beautiful person created by G-d with a family, a life, and she does not deserve this!!


Yes, exactly!!
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amother
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Post Thu, Apr 18 2019, 9:32 am
little neshamala wrote:
I would call my Rav and ask him what to do. My instinct says "yes!" But I would need to make sure its halachicly fine to do so first.


I'd be interested to know what the majority opinion is on that (recognizing that you only need to follow your Rav).
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little neshamala




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Apr 18 2019, 9:39 am
amother [ Hotpink ] wrote:
I'd be interested to know what the majority opinion is on that (recognizing that you only need to follow your Rav).


Now im curious as well
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FranticFrummie




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Apr 18 2019, 9:47 am
The thing about the stewardess, is that she was perfectly healthy that morning, and had no idea she had been exposed to the measles. By the time she got off the flight, she had a fever and went straight to medical, which I'm assuming is standard airline protocol.

That's how easy it is to spread measles. She's lucky that she saw a doctor instead of going home to rest and take some vitamin A. She'd have probably died within the next 24 hours.

I have no idea how to implement fines and quarantines without starting a witch hunt, creating hysteria, and having lots of lawsuits against the government. Civil rights lawyers live for this kind of stuff.
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amother
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Post Thu, Apr 18 2019, 11:22 am
amother [ Hotpink ] wrote:
If you saw someone with what you think is measles 'out and about', would you call the police?

When someone has what you think might be measles (IOW, rash), they are SICK in bed with high fever! They're too incapacitated to be "out and about". The problem is beforehand, when they "just" have a cough, cold, aches and pains, runny nose, low fever and there's no way to know if it's measles, strep or flu. Or like the meshulach in Detroit whom the doctor diagnosed with bronchitis!!! (which is an avla in and of itself for a doctor to not be familiar with measles.) THat's when they are contagious - when you don't know it's measles yet but they're sick.
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etky




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Apr 18 2019, 12:14 pm
Unfortunately it was reported tonight that her condition has deteriorated. Recent scans have shown that she has sustained extensive and very severe brain damage and she is not responding to treatments.
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little neshamala




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Apr 18 2019, 12:48 pm
etky wrote:
Unfortunately it was reported tonight that her condition has deteriorated. Recent scans have shown that she has sustained extensive and very severe brain damage and she is not responding to treatments.



Oh no im so sorry to hear that!!!
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Rubber Ducky




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Apr 18 2019, 12:52 pm
etky wrote:
Unfortunately it was reported tonight that her condition has deteriorated. Recent scans have shown that she has sustained extensive and very severe brain damage and she is not responding to treatments.


So sad.
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