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 Thu, May 16 2019, 11:26 am
| yksraya wrote: | Medical professionals also use vitamins but in addition to other necessary intervention.
As long as the proper care is given, vitamins are ok. But not instead of... |
Yeah you still need to research which ones are not too little nature and not irresponsibly natural
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Thu, May 16 2019, 11:30 am
| amother [ Scarlet ] wrote: | Well, if there is no outbreak, I'm not looking to risk myself or my kids. If you want to take risks, that's on you.
I know I will vaccinate in the end, but I just felt that an older kid can handle the viral overload better than a baby. (I was proven wrong on that when I just vaccinated my 7 month old and 2 year old and neither had a reaction) |
We can go in circles on this question, but I'll ask again. Do you understand that your decision creates the opening for the outbreak in the first place?
(And then, of course, you always have the option of vaccinating before it hits your family, but what about those who don't have that option for legitimate medical or age-related reasons?)
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Thu, May 16 2019, 11:39 am
| amother [ Brunette ] wrote: | | Well don’t be so quick to lump people into groups like that. I’m quite certain there are vaccinators who turn to alternative medicine or chiropractors from time to time too. There are non vaccinators who don’t trust alternative medicine like they don’t trust vaccines and think it’s all cr-p. If you want to judge, You got to learn to look at each person’s situation separately. Some prefer alternative medicine for some things and not other things. Some people choose to use certain pharmeceutal drugs, but will say no to others. |
No but, the epicenter of the outbreak is here in the Rockland county frum community and it's also a good market for alternative medicine based on ads that I see in grocery store handout magazines. Something is making alternative medicine very lucrative here which is fine unless it plays a role in the spread of measles.
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Thu, May 16 2019, 11:42 am
| amother [ Scarlet ] wrote: | | Not really, because we are hardly the only family that doesn't vaccinate. If people have reasons why they shouldn't get the disease, obviously they should vaccinate... what's your question? |
You’re idiocy is astounding. Cancer patients have very good reasons why they shouldn’t get disease, but vaccines are not safe for them. What are they supposed to do? Stay quarantined forever because of a bunch of insane, evil idiots.
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Thu, May 16 2019, 11:44 am
| amother [ Scarlet ] wrote: | Well, if there is no outbreak, I'm not looking to risk myself or my kids. If you want to take risks, that's on you.
I know I will vaccinate in the end, but I just felt that an older kid can handle the viral overload better than a baby. (I was proven wrong on that when I just vaccinated my 7 month old and 2 year old and neither had a reaction) |
BUT IF EVERYONE "RISKED THEMSELVES" THERE WOULDN'T BE OUTBREAKS.
Arrrrrrgggggghhh.
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Thu, May 16 2019, 11:49 am
| amother [ Scarlet ] wrote: | | Not really, because we are hardly the only family that doesn't vaccinate. If people have reasons why they shouldn't get the disease, obviously they should vaccinate... what's your question? |
But your family is part of the problem instead of the solution.
My question is, do you care?
My actual question was that you have the choice to vaccinate, but some people don't and depend on all of us to do it so they stay safe.
I repeat. Do you care?
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Thu, May 16 2019, 11:52 am
| youngishbear wrote: | But your family is part of the problem instead of the solution.
My question is, do you care?
My actual question was that you have the choice to vaccinate, but some people don't and depend on all of us to do it so they stay safe.
I repeat. Do you care? |
No she doesn’t. She’s a selfish person with limited reasoning abilities. The truth is maybe I shouldn’t be so mad at her. It’s not her fault she has limited mental capabilities.
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Thu, May 16 2019, 1:01 pm
| amother [ Brunette ] wrote: | This is disrespectful and it doesn’t help. Embarrassing people to shut down communication is not the answer. There are better ways to get your point across.
Here you are feeling bad for an infant that was born early fighting for life in an anti vax family and wishing death on another anti vax family. |
I said G-d forbid it should happen. That’s not a wish for death.
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Thu, May 16 2019, 1:02 pm
| amother [ OP ] wrote: | | Most of the anti-vaxers in the frum community are on Medicaid. It's a specific demographic among the ultra-frum. I think they could care less who profits in medicine. |
One health food store was selling an expensive trio of herbs that was being sold as either a preventative or a cure for measles. Could it be that Medicaid patients still manage to fork over $$$ for this nonsense?
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Thu, May 16 2019, 1:06 pm
| amother [ Brunette ] wrote: | | If you want to use alternative medicine, you’ll figure out a way to use alternative medicine. If it’s not available in Rockland, you’ll drive a little further out and get it somewhere else. You’re actually probably better off going for it somewhere else. |
My point is that the frum community spends a lot of money on alternative medicine and some alternative medicine practitioners are anti-vaxers.
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Thu, May 16 2019, 2:23 pm
| amother [ Scarlet ] wrote: | My two cents for what it's worth;
I'm pro-choice. Till it comes to an outbreak.
I agree that if everyone would get the measles as little kids, we would be better off with lifelong immunity. I also understand that we live in 2019 and everyone doesn't get the measles as kids - so vaccines isn't really a choice anymore.
I'm from an "anti-vaxx" family, however, my siblings and myself were all immunized with the MMR as teenagers. Because, since we bH didn't get sick with the measles or rubella (we did all have mumps though, when it was going around about 9 years ago) we don't want to risk catching it as adults... so the risks of the vaccines are lower than the risks of getting sick with these diseases as an adult.
Now, because of the outbreak, I vaccinated my children against MMR.
I'm from the group of people who say that the chance of getting measles is extremely low, so why put "poison" directly into my kids bodies if it's not necessary. That puts the chance of effects from the vaccine at higher than the chance of complications from measles (which is zero if there is no outbreak)
Measles is extremely contagious, and unfortunately there is an outbreak, so we have to live in the times we live in, and reevaluate. Now, the chance of complications from measles is higher than that of complications from the vaccine, so I vaccinated my kids.
I hope the above is understandable for most of you, even if you don't agree. I tried to explain as well as I could... and hope nobody attacks me. Respectful questions are okay, though I can't promise to know all the answers. I'm not an "anti-vaxxer" in the sense that I read all the "research". I just go with what my limited sechel tells me is the right thing to do. And at this point, it told me to vaxx my kids against measles. (I was, obviously, planning to vaxx them all against measles prior to puberty, even without an outbreak) |
Not judging just curious if you were going to hold off the MMR till puberty to see if your children get it then why did you vaccinate because the measles are going around ? what's the difference at that point if they got the shot at 1 or at 11
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I can sorta but not really understand not vaxing and hoping herd immunity saves your child from these diseases. But thinking it good and healthy for your child to contract these diseases just boggles my mind. Measles chicken pox and others is considered a childhood disease because this disease is the children were passing around not because a child needs to get them!!
