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amother




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Post Tue, May 28 2019, 4:47 pm
"Infecting people isnt a religious right". From NYtimes. My TAG blocks it. Could you paste here? Thanks
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amother




Amber
 

Post Tue, May 28 2019, 4:53 pm
By The Editorial Board
The editorial board represents the opinions of the board, its editor and the publisher. It is separate from the newsroom and the Op-Ed section.

Infecting People Isn’t a Religious Right
The measles outbreak makes it vital for New York lawmakers to end religious exemptions for vaccinations

May 21, 2019


It’s no coincidence that measles is spreading across the United States after a decade in which the number of parents claiming exemption for their children from vaccination has grown. The outbreak has been most intense in New York, particularly in deeply insular ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities in Brooklyn and upstate that have been vulnerable to misinformation and resistant to vaccination.

To halt the spread of the disease, bills in the State Senate and Assembly would prevent parents from claiming that their religious beliefs exempt them from legal requirements that their children be vaccinated before going to school. The American Academy of Pediatrics has made the elimination of such nonmedical exemptions its top priority this year.

The legislation would allow exemptions only if a licensed doctor certified that the immunization was detrimental to the child’s health, as is the case in current law.

Action on these sensible bills has stalled, however, just weeks before legislators leave for the summer — even as the latest cases of the highly contagious and sometimes fatal disease were diagnosed in New York last week.


While bills in both chambers are in committee, opposition to the legislation is centered on the Assembly, where a bill before the Health Committee has not received a vote and the chairman, Richard Gottfried, said it would not until a majority of the committee supported it. More disturbingly, Mr. Gottfried said he and other committee members thought the legislation could violate the First Amendment, echoing one of the anti-vaccine movement’s favored talking points — that beliefs about vaccines are protected by the Constitution. Mr. Gottfried said he was still wrestling with where he stood on the issue.

And while Gov. Andrew Cuomo says he opposes religious exemptions for vaccines, last month he hedged that stance, also expressing concern for First Amendment protections.

Religious freedom is important to protect, but the courts have ruled it doesn’t apply here. In upholding a California law that removed religious exemptions, a federal appeals court last year noted an earlier ruling that, “The right to practice religion freely does not include liberty to expose the community or the child to communicable disease or the latter to ill health or death.”

Mr. Gottfried said he was uneasy anyway. “There are probably several issues where views on the Constitution and constitutional values may differ from what the Supreme Court majority thinks,” he said.

It’s not clear what these concerns are even based on. Faith leaders themselves have acknowledged that the grounds for religious opposition to vaccines are shaky, at best. The Orthodox Union and the Rabbinical Council of America have organized a public health campaign to get parents to vaccinate their children.


Legal mandates are one of the best ways to accomplish that goal. They increase the likelihood that vaccine-wary parents will consult legitimate medical professionals who have the capacity to allay their fears. They provide a crucial counter to the factually vacuous anti-vaccine campaign, which is being waged not only on social media platforms like Facebook, but also in statehouses across the country. And, as recent experience shows, they work: When legislators in California and Michigan strengthened their mandates, vaccination rates in those states went up.

New York City has declared a public health emergency around the measles outbreaks in Brooklyn and Queens, even closing several yeshivas — and threatening to close others — that did not comply with mandatory vaccination orders. But children throughout New York State remain vulnerable. State Senator Brad Hoylman, a lead sponsor of the legislation to end the religious exemption, said in a phone interview on Tuesday that he didn’t want to wait for tragedy to act.

Mr. Hoylman is right, and New York’s leaders must not let this legislation continue to languish. The bill could go further — as currently written, it wouldn’t impose any penalties, for instance, on parents who violate the law and send their children to school unvaccinated. Yet, in a state with an urgent public health crisis, this is the best place to begin.
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amother




Gold
 

Post Tue, May 28 2019, 5:28 pm
When you cut and paste articles it's stealing. I know it's done here all the time, but we are indeed frum and not supposed to steal
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amother




Amber
 

Post Tue, May 28 2019, 5:29 pm
amother [ Gold ] wrote:
When you cut and paste articles it's stealing. I know it's done here all the time, but we are indeed frum and not supposed to steal


Its available on their website without a subscription.
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JoyInTheMorning




 
 
 
 

Post Tue, May 28 2019, 5:37 pm
I am sure the New York Times is delighted to have this editorial spread far and wide.

Also, occasional copying of an article is allowed under fair use, a far as I know. This is for limited distribution, and it's only one short editorial.
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amother




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Post Tue, May 28 2019, 5:45 pm
Isnt it OK if you quote where you took from?

So the title is a little different from what I thought the article will be. I thought they would make a bill that allows anti vaxing but hold you accountable and fine you or jail you if you did not keep the isolation mandated when there is a positive PCR (confirmed measles)
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amother




Gold
 

Post Tue, May 28 2019, 6:06 pm
Each person gets FIVE articles for free from the NYT, that's not free usage. It doesn't matter if you change the name.
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amother




Amber
 

Post Tue, May 28 2019, 10:10 pm
amother [ Gold ] wrote:
Each person gets FIVE articles for free from the NYT, that's not free usage. It doesn't matter if you change the name.


and if OP didn't have a filter on her computer - she could have accessed the article. I removed her filter.
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amother




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Post Wed, May 29 2019, 7:25 am
THanks. The filter is a good thing and normally I request from TAG to open the page. It takes a few hours. But this time I was too curious and wanted imediatelly.
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southernbubby




 
 
 
 

Post Wed, May 29 2019, 9:00 am
To me it's ironic that the same people who don't want the government to have a say about what is injected into their bodies are the same people who have forced the shuttering of abortion clinics because the government should have the right to decide what people do with their bodies.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post Wed, Jun 09 2021, 2:42 am
southernbubby wrote:
To me it's ironic that the same people who don't want the government to have a say about what is injected into their bodies are the same people who have forced the shuttering of abortion clinics because the government should have the right to decide what people do with their bodies.


It's more that they don't want people to murder other bodies (unborn babies).

The baby is NOT the woman's "body" but a SEPARATE human being.


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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post Wed, Jun 09 2021, 2:47 am
This is a silly propaganda editorial.

Of course a person with measles does not have a right to walk around infecting others.
Quarintine is the law for SICK people.

But to say that HEALTHY people don't have the right to walk around because there is a
teeny tiny chance they have a contagious disease is Tyranical.

Even VACCINATED people might have a cold or flu which can be fatal for elderly or sick.

Should we lock everyone up?

As for forcing people to vax - What right does anyone have to force people to risk
Death or Permanent Injury to protect others?

This is a violation of the Nuremberg Code.

And if you are Vaccinated, why are you afraid of the unvaccinated?

Isn't that the whole point of the vaccine?
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smss




 
 
 
 

Post Wed, Jun 09 2021, 2:53 am
#BestBubby wrote:
It's more that they don't want people to murder other bodies (unborn babies).

The baby is NOT the woman's "body" but a SEPARATE human being.


You should know that there are many cases where the Torah allows abortion and some where it would require it.

Don't be frummer than the Torah. We don't want Catholic politicians making these decisions for us, regardless of what we believe about some of the abortions happening in this country.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post Wed, Jun 09 2021, 2:56 am
smss wrote:
You should know that there are many cases where the Torah allows abortion and some where it would require it.

Don't be frummer than the Torah. We don't want Catholic politicians making these decisions for us, regardless of what we believe about some of the abortions happening in this country.


I know sometimes abortion is necessary to save the mother.

Self-Defense is not murder.

Doing abortion for inconvenience is murder.

But let's not derail this thread re: vaccination
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fleetwood




 
 
 
 

Post Wed, Jun 09 2021, 6:44 am
#BestBubby wrote:
This is a silly propaganda editorial.

Of course a person with measles does not have a right to walk around infecting others.
Quarintine is the law for SICK people.

But to say that HEALTHY people don't have the right to walk around because there is a
teeny tiny chance they have a contagious disease is Tyranical.

Even VACCINATED people might have a cold or flu which can be fatal for elderly or sick.

Should we lock everyone up?

As for forcing people to vax - What right does anyone have to force people to risk
Death or Permanent Injury to protect others?

This is a violation of the Nuremberg Code.

And if you are Vaccinated, why are you afraid of the unvaccinated?

Isn't that the whole point of the vaccine?


This is not a medical experiment,it doesn't violate the Nuremberg code. In any case, nobody is forced to vaccinate.
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causemommysaid




 
 
 
 

Post Wed, Jun 09 2021, 8:24 am
Ironically though the measles outbreak started in Disneyland where crunchy antivaxing gentiles congregated with their unvaccinated children.

But who cares about facts when there are orthodox jews to bash?
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post Wed, Jun 09 2021, 10:18 am
fleetwood wrote:
This is not a medical experiment,it doesn't violate the Nuremberg code. In any case, nobody is forced to vaccinate.


INFORMED CONSENT is for all medical treatment - not just experiments. So nobody should
be coerced to take any medical treatment against their will.

The clinical trials for Covid Vaccine doesn't end until 2023, there is no FDA approval - so it is
a medical experiment.

And there is plenty of COERCION to vax - employers threatening to fire, schools and colleges
denying admission....
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