Do You NOT Wonder How Bnei Yisrael Survived 40 Years?

amother

Seashell

Fri, Jun 21 2019, 12:16 pm

Good point. We should give up all our food, showers and medicine and be more like the Jews in the midbar.

yksraya

Fri, Jun 21 2019, 12:19 pm

1. Your health condition has nothing to do with the vaccines. It would be way more productive to go to top specialists and treat your condition, than to blame vaccines and follow some health quacks.

2. You say there are no more of thos illnesses the vaccines protect us from. So how can you explain the recent, still ongoing measles outbreak? How can you explain the mumps outbreak of 8-10 or so yrs ago?

sequoia

Fri, Jun 21 2019, 12:21 pm

OP, your problems are caused by stress, not vaccines. Stress, worry, unhappiness. Mine, too...

50 years ago none of these vaccines existed. You could have gotten smallpox, TB, and polio vaccines. That’s it.

yksraya

Fri, Jun 21 2019, 12:25 pm

sequoia wrote:

I agree with you. Stress is the #1 cause for many (non contagious) illnesses and conditions.

amother

Tan

Fri, Jun 21 2019, 12:25 pm

one gmom: coming from a family of 10, only 4 reached adulthood. All others died with infant/childhood diseases. Her mom was on death bed at age 43 with typhus. After adding a name, her husband giving away 10 years of his life, she prolonged her life for another 10 years. Fast fwd: my gmom lived till 90.

my other gmom: Her mom died during childbirth of her second child. Probably wasnt more than her low twenties
fast fwd: She is around 95 kah & still alive....till 120!

They both lived a long life despite going through holocaust.

amother

Tan

Fri, Jun 21 2019, 12:34 pm

my husband gmom died from refusing to take antibiotics for strep which started her death process.

my father died young. his problems started from a neglected strep throat as a teen, which went to his heart.

amother

Cerise

Fri, Jun 21 2019, 1:43 pm

This is frum website. Please no more appeals to follow Patriot Nurse.

PinkFridge

Fri, Jun 21 2019, 3:06 pm

amother [ Cerise ] wrote:

This is frum website. Please no more appeals to follow Patriot Nurse.

I'm imagining a hypothetical imafather (abbafather) with a heated discussion about...the Duck Dynasty guys? Would that be analogous? Any of them have any advanced education?

itsmeima

Fri, Jun 21 2019, 3:19 pm

yksraya wrote:

I agree with you. Stress is the #1 cause for many (non contagious) illnesses and conditions.

Like cancer for example Can't Believe It

giselle

Fri, Jun 21 2019, 3:19 pm

No I don’t wonder. They survived on miracles as is clearly detailed in the Torah.

JoyInTheMorning

Fri, Jun 21 2019, 3:21 pm

itsmeima wrote:

Like cancer for example Can't Believe It

Heart disease is more likely to be associated with stress, I think.

JoyInTheMorning

Fri, Jun 21 2019, 3:23 pm

amother [ Cerise ] wrote:

This is frum website. Please no more appeals to follow Patriot Nurse.

Yes, I absolutely agree. I do not think we should be asking the mods to police us, because we're all adults. But I think it's reasonable for us to take it on ourselves to make it known when a poster quotes from a Christian site.

amother

Indigo

Fri, Jun 21 2019, 3:27 pm

Your 100% right about trusting HaShem. Well, Since HaShem didn’t come down to me in a dream and tell weather to vax or not I do what he wants me to do and listen to the gedolim. My question is why your trusting the study’s your basing your opinion on and not the gedolim?!

amother

Cerise

Fri, Jun 21 2019, 3:41 pm

PinkFridge wrote:

I'm imagining a hypothetical imafather (abbafather) with a heated discussion about...the Duck Dynasty guys? Would that be analogous? Any of them have any advanced education?

This is Patriot Nurse.

https://www.thepatriotnurse.co.....ts-me

chanatron1000

Fri, Jun 21 2019, 3:42 pm

JoyInTheMorning wrote:

Heart disease is more likely to be associated with stress, I think.

Stress causes risk taking behaviors, which causes disease.

SuperWify

Fri, Jun 21 2019, 4:49 pm

Just answer your title-

No never. Hashem took care of us with Nissim in the midbar. I really don’t know how you can compare it to nowadays regular non-straight up miraculous life.

It sounds sounds almost blasphemous to say- they didn’t get sick from chicken pox in the desert because they didn’t vaccinate.

JoyInTheMorning

Fri, Jun 21 2019, 4:50 pm

chanatron1000 wrote:

Stress causes risk taking behaviors, which causes disease.

That's so interesting! I guess you are correct that people who are stressed sometimes engage in high-risk activities like drinking. Me, when I'm stressed, I stay home and engage in totally low-risk behavior.

amother

Azure

Fri, Jun 21 2019, 5:43 pm

itsmeima wrote:

Like cancer for example Can't Believe It

Nothing funny about it, there are piles of evidence in respected medical journals that find a correlation between chronic stress and illness. The body's immune system is adversely affected by the hormones released long term due to stress, making the body more hospitable to a host of illnesses and diseases.

flowerpower

Fri, Jun 21 2019, 5:48 pm

Op, you hit it on the mark!!’ We are living exactly like the people lived in the midbar. What else went on there? Details please!!!

My grandmother lost some siblings at a young age. I don’t think they were vaccinated. What can you tell me about that?