Nike pulls sneakers with American flag!

OutATowner

Wed, Jul 03 2019, 4:32 pm

Someone the next block over has that huge flag in their yard. I always wondered what it represented (as opposed to current flag) but didn't really know if I wanted to know, iykwim.

amother

Mint

Wed, Jul 03 2019, 6:31 pm

It's the original American flag with the original states represented. Nothing offensive, just outdated.
What's offensive is putting the American flag on a shoe. It degrades the flag when you put it so low to the ground. Try a hat instead.

amother

Pink

Wed, Jul 03 2019, 6:34 pm

amother [ Bronze ] wrote:

It's not the American flag, it's the Betsy Ross flag. Which is used by far right groups who hate Jews, so you shouldn't necessarily be so upset about it.

The flag was apparently used at Obama's inauguration, does that mean that Obama is an anti-semite or does that mean that the goal post keeps moving to the point where white people are walking on eggshells?

https://www.dailywire.com/news.....rrien

amother

Bronze

Wed, Jul 03 2019, 6:41 pm

amother [ Pink ] wrote:

It means that it was adopted as a symbol by a white supremacist groups more recently than that.

amother

Bronze

Wed, Jul 03 2019, 6:46 pm

amother [ Mint ] wrote:

Why is it that when hate groups appropriate a symbol, they are allowed to keep it?

Allowed by whom? It's not a question of allowing, simply that once it becomes a symbol then others don't want to be mistakenly associated with that group.

DrMom

Wed, Jul 03 2019, 8:43 pm

amother [ Bronze ] wrote:

It means that it was adopted as a symbol by a white supremacist groups more recently than that.

Which groups, exactly? Can anybody name one?

Also, if a hate group adopts the Nike swoosh as s symbol, would Nike change their logo?

The whole kerfuffle is nonsense. Colin Whatshisface should concentrate more on playing football.

DrMom

Wed, Jul 03 2019, 9:28 pm

amother [ Bronze ] wrote:

Allowed by whom? It's not a question of allowing, simply that once it becomes a symbol then others don't want to be mistakenly associated with that group.

What if tomorrow some random fringe hate group adopts the Magen David as a symbol? Will we start ripping this symbol off of synagogues, Israeli flags, jewelry, etc? Let's not be absurd.

It's the 4th of July. Nike created a special pair of shoes decorated with a symbol of the USA. The fact that a huge multi-blllion-dollar corporation makes last-minute decisions based on the ill-informed whims of some doofus has-been football player should give their shareholders pause.

Wed, Jul 03 2019, 10:07 pm

amother [ Bronze ] wrote:

It's not the American flag, it's the Betsy Ross flag. Which is used by far right groups who hate Jews, so you shouldn't necessarily be so upset about it.

The Betsy Ross flag and the first American flag is one and the same thing. The flag was sewn by Elizabeth Ross, who convinced George Washington to create the flag in this way. No anti anything. People just need to be busy with silly political discussions/debates. My sense is that this hulabaloo began from utter boredom.

cbsp

Wed, Jul 03 2019, 10:23 pm

amother [ Bronze ] wrote:

Allowed by whom? It's not a question of allowing, simply that once it becomes a symbol then others don't want to be mistakenly associated with that group.

In that case wouldn't it have been better if all the basketball players defiantly wore the sneakers? I don't think it would have been a case of mistaken association...

cbsp

Wed, Jul 03 2019, 10:31 pm

amother [ Bronze ] wrote:

It means that it was adopted as a symbol by a white supremacist groups more recently than that.

Nice try but that's not what he said. He said (paraphrasing) that at the time of this nation's founding it was a slave owning nation and as such this version of the flag represents slavery, white nationalism, and white supremacy.

Iymnok

Thu, Jul 04 2019, 12:19 am

cbsp wrote:

That’s what he said, but it’s quite ill informed. The country was not so reliant on slaves and the slave trade at that time. They were a part of the economy, but nowhere near like the civil war era (or 1812...). It’s the confederate flag that was taken by these racist groups. As I understand, there is no racist group that has taken our first flag as a symbol, let alone a hate symbol.
This was an athlete who disrespected the anthem and flag. How would anyone expect him to honor this country’s history and legacy?

Fox

Thu, Jul 04 2019, 2:50 am

Originally, Kaepernick's anti-anthem and anti-flag protests were supposedly to bring attention to police brutality against PoC. Now it's morphed into a protest against bad ideas that existed in the past.

There will never be enough social justice in the world to satisfy Mr. Kaepernick's need to complain, and this sort of nonsense just dilutes focus from solving real problems. Which, I suspect, is one of the reasons it appeals to him. No matter how much he protests, the past will not be changed, and he can therefore protest indefinitely.

As for the Ross flag being adopted by extremists who hate Jews, I suspect someone's been trolled on 4chan again. Remember when the OK sign was also a secret code of white supremacists? Or when drinking milk was a dog whistle to other white supremacists? Or being a Taylor Swift fan? A bunch of 15-year-old boys (in maturity if not chronological age) are making this stuff up and giving each other virtual high fives (also briefly identified as a practice of white supremacists) when people pass this stuff along with straight faces.

FranticFrummie

Thu, Jul 04 2019, 4:30 am

It shows a stunning lack of originality when groups have to take symbols from another group, instead of creating their own. Aren't there any white supremacist logo designers out there?

Buddhists and Hindus are still ticked off that the Nazi's inverted the swastika for such evil purposes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

The swastika or sauwastika (as a character, 卐 or 卍, respectively) is a geometrical figure and an ancient religious icon in the cultures of Eurasia. It is used as a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian religions.

The earliest known swastika is from 10,000 BCE found in Mezine, Ukraine. The symbol is found in the archaeological remains of the Sintashta culture and Indus Valley Civilization as well as in early Byzantine and Christian artwork.

yo'ma

Thu, Jul 04 2019, 5:59 am

cbsp wrote:

In this case, everything pre the civil war would be considered objective. Why does it seem that "they" think everything revolves around slavery?

amother

Pink

Thu, Jul 04 2019, 6:22 am

DrMom wrote:

They are way ahead of you. The Magen David was banned at the pride parade because it is now a symbol of "white supremacy" and "hatred". Jews need to wake up and recognize that this is Nazi Germany all over again (with "white supremacy" and "white privilege" just a pretext for discrimination against Jews) before its too late.

https://freebeacon.com/politic.....ones/

https://www.haaretz.com/us-new.....39707

Ema of 5

Thu, Jul 04 2019, 6:22 am

yo'ma wrote:

In this case, everything pre the civil war would be considered objective. Why does it seem that "they" think everything revolves around slavery?

Not objective, objectionable.
This country is so turned around, it’s not even funny. Everything is offensive, no one wants to see symbols or pictures of our past.....
You know, the best way to let horrific things happen again is to remove all traces of them. Don’t teach about the conquering of our country. Don’t teach about slavery. Don’t teach about the confederacy. Don’t have any mention of them, or any statues, or any monuments, or any symbols. Just pretend all that stuff never happened.

amother

Thu, Jul 04 2019, 11:53 am

tf wrote:

No not boredom, from liberal mishugas,