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amother




Taupe


Post  Wed, Jul 10 2019, 10:12 pm
amother [ Babypink ] wrote:
Pastured chicken and organic chickens are usually shechted and processed in the same plants as regular chickens. So I don't think that they are free of the smelly problem.

For those whose chickens were bad: stores are allowed to repackage chicken a couple times, so what it says on the label may be misleading.

Also, how long was the chicken out of the store refrigeration until it made it into you fridge/freezer at home? That time out in this heat can cause it to go bad faster.


Where did you hear this from? I cannot believe it!
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amother




Taupe


Post  Wed, Jul 10 2019, 10:14 pm
amother [ Amethyst ] wrote:
Of course, that's what they will say. Btw, if someone gets sick from food poisoning and ends up in the hospital the health department may follow up to narrow down where it came from. Then the store may end up with a citation. So they should be more careful!


I don't see how the store could get in trouble. They could say that the customer had it in her hot car/counter or whatever for too long a period of time.
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singleagain




 
 
 


Post  Wed, Jul 10 2019, 11:26 pm
amother [ Taupe ] wrote:
I stopped buying chicken from a certain establishment because I found a store where the chicken very rarely smells. The place I used to buy from has a rule that they don't take back perishables, so I would open up a package (it was from Empire, btw) in the store to smell it and then cover it with a bag from the produce section so the cashier wouldn't notice that it was opened. If it smelled, I put it (with the produce bag around it) back in the chicken section. That way, hopefully people would realize not to buy it. If a chicken with a certain expiration date smelled, I wouldn't open another from that date. I was so glad to find somewhere else to get them because chicken shopping became so stressful when I couldn't be sure if the smell was bad enough to warrant leaving it there knowing it would be thrown out! Ultimately, chicken should have no smell whatsoever.


I don't think it's right to poke holes/open the package of the chicken and then leave it there. That feels very sketchy to me.

If your in a store with a butcher on premise get to know him, find out when the chicken comes in and ask for fresh stuff from the back.

And in the heat, when running errands. Get an ice chest and reusable cold packs and use it.

It's not cool, when there's no way to tell who's really at fault for the store to take a loss

I work in a grocery store and I've heard so many times when the customer is in the wrong and we still do returns and/or try to make things better so the customer is happy..

Don't be one of those rude, entitled customers.. bc the customer is usually not right. And often they are wrong. /Mini rant
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amother




Babypink


Post  Wed, Jul 10 2019, 11:36 pm
amother [ Taupe ] wrote:
Where did you hear this from? I cannot believe it!


I forget where I first learned this, but here is one source. I will try to find out more tomorrow.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/heal.....age=5

Expiration Dates on Meat Packaging Are Generally Meaningless
We hate to break it to you, but expiration dates really don’t mean much. Sure, Cheez-Its will go stale and milk will go bad a certain number of weeks after packaging, but supermarket meat departments, where they do their own labeling, are generally left up to their own devices (30 states don’t regulate date labeling at all). This means that if an item is set to expire and it still looks okay, supermarkets are allowed to put a new label on, pushing the expiration date back by days or even more than a week. We suggest checking to see when the food first hit the shelf, if possible, or buying meat from a trusted butcher.
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amother




Taupe


Post  Wed, Jul 10 2019, 11:42 pm
singleagain wrote:
I don't think it's right to poke holes/open the package of the chicken and then leave it there. That feels very sketchy to me.

If your in a store with a butcher on premise get to know him, find out when the chicken comes in and ask for fresh stuff from the back.

And in the heat, when running errands. Get an ice chest and reusable cold packs and use it.

It's not cool, when there's no way to tell who's really at fault for the store to take a loss

I work in a grocery store and I've heard so many times when the customer is in the wrong and we still do returns and/or try to make things better so the customer is happy..

Don't be one of those rude, entitled customers.. bc the customer is usually not right. And often they are wrong. /Mini rant


This was a regular supermarket that has a kosher section. If the store will not take back spoiled chicken, I'm not going to be out the money. I always bring an igloo with ice packs with me in the summer. That is not relevant. It didn't spoil in my car; it was spoiled already in the store. No way to tell who's really at fault? If the chicken is coming into the store already with a problem - that is the store's responsibility to deal with. If they see a package of chicken with a hole in it with a bag around it -- let them investigate. They'll smell it right away.
You really have quite a nerve. I am not a rude entitled customer! Unless you mean that I am entitled to have non spoiled chicken if I pay good money for it. And I mentioned (if you had read my post carefully) that the stress of leaving chicken that may not have been spoiled caused me to choose to shop for chicken at a different store.)
Sheesh
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singleagain




 
 
 


Post  Wed, Jul 10 2019, 11:55 pm
amother [ Taupe ] wrote:
This was a regular supermarket that has a kosher section. If the store will not take back spoiled chicken, I'm not going to be out the money. I always bring an igloo with ice packs with me in the summer. That is not relevant. It didn't spoil in my car; it was spoiled already in the store. No way to tell who's really at fault? If the chicken is coming into the store already with a problem - that is the store's responsibility to deal with. If they see a package of chicken with a hole in it with a bag around it -- let them investigate. They'll smell it right away.
You really have quite a nerve. I am not a rude entitled customer! Unless you mean that I am entitled to have non spoiled chicken if I pay good money for it. And I mentioned (if you had read my post carefully) that the stress of leaving chicken that may not have been spoiled caused me to choose to shop for chicken at a different store.)
Sheesh


It shouldn't matter if it's a regular store with a kosher section, or a fully kosher store. If you poke open the chicken, you are potentially causing the store to lose money. Bc many vendors will not give credit for items that went into the shelf undamaged.

At least have the decency to tell the manager/worker "this chicken smells" don't just leave it and hope they find it.

Honestly... Poking holes in chicken is no better than ppl who sample by weight items before purchasing them.

And you created your own stress by opening the chicken in the first place, and leaving it .. I man.. at least tell something "hey I think this is a problem" but going away and hoping they notice... If they didn't and they lost money from you, that's probably very close to, if not stealing
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amother




Amethyst


Post  Thu, Jul 11 2019, 12:10 am
Poking holes and making something unsellable is dishonest and stealing imo. Only do that if you are absolutely gonna buy it. Certainly don't put it back where it can cross contaminate other items now that it has holes in it, either. Pretty disturbing to think that is ok. And a potential chilul hashem, for sure.
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amother




Taupe


Post  Thu, Jul 11 2019, 12:20 am
singleagain wrote:
It shouldn't matter if it's a regular store with a kosher section, or a fully kosher store. If you poke open the chicken, you are potentially causing the store to lose money. Bc many vendors will not give credit for items that went into the shelf undamaged.

At least have the decency to tell the manager/worker "this chicken smells" don't just leave it and hope they find it.

Honestly... Poking holes in chicken is no better than ppl who sample by weight items before purchasing them.

And you created your own stress by opening the chicken in the first place, and leaving it .. I man.. at least tell something "hey I think this is a problem" but going away and hoping they notice... If they didn't and they lost money from you, that's probably very close to, if not stealing


Thanks, but my conscience is perfectly clear.
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amother




Taupe


Post  Thu, Jul 11 2019, 12:22 am
amother [ Amethyst ] wrote:
Poking holes and making something unsellable is dishonest and stealing imo. Only do that if you are absolutely gonna buy it. Certainly don't put it back where it can cross contaminate other items now that it has holes in it, either. Pretty disturbing to think that is ok. And a potential chilul hashem, for sure.


Maybe you didn't read my post. IT IS UNSELLABLE IF IT STINKS!!!!! IT SHOULDN'T BE SOLD IF IT STINKS!!! AND IT CANNOT CROSS CONTAMINATE ITEMS IF I HAVE A BAG AROUND IT!

OY
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amother




Taupe


Post  Thu, Jul 11 2019, 12:25 am
amother [ Amethyst ] wrote:
Poking holes and making something unsellable is dishonest and stealing imo. Only do that if you are absolutely gonna buy it. Certainly don't put it back where it can cross contaminate other items now that it has holes in it, either. Pretty disturbing to think that is ok. And a potential chilul hashem, for sure.


nope-plenty of halal only eaters purchase the kosher chicken, too.
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amother




Amethyst


Post  Thu, Jul 11 2019, 12:32 am
? What do the customers have to do with this. If a non Jewish store employee sees your behavior that is a chilul hashem. Frankly, you are just asking for trouble. Most grocery stores have security cameras and can see every move. Don't be shocked if you get escorted out one day. Deservedly so.
You know it's wrong or you would not be so furtive about it.
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studying_torah




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Jul 11 2019, 1:12 am
Had it many times that chicken smells bad , but I learned to smell each piece separately after rinsing because sometimes it's just 1 piece that's no good.
But yes I do get very annoyed when the store insists I schlep back w the chicken kand it happened plenty in the cold winter too.)

Once I even saw a dead fly in a chicken pkg in the store, I whispered it to the meat manager and he got furious.
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DrMom




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Jul 11 2019, 2:01 am
amother [ Babypink ] wrote:
Pastured chicken and organic chickens are usually shechted and processed in the same plants as regular chickens. So I don't think that they are free of the smelly problem.

For those whose chickens were bad: stores are allowed to repackage chicken a couple times, so what it says on the label may be misleading.

Also, how long was the chicken out of the store refrigeration until it made it into you fridge/freezer at home? That time out in this heat can cause it to go bad faster.

Even if this is allowed under law, doesn't it present a kashrut problem?

What if you buy a package of kosher chicken in a non-exclusively-kosher supermarket? I'm pretty sure they cannot open it, patchke with it, and repackage it and expect the local Jewish population to buy it. I would assume some local kashrut authority would be aware of this practice and warn the local Jewish population to stay away.
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DrMom




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Jul 11 2019, 2:05 am
OP, could it be possible that you are pregnant and have a heightened sense of smell? It is not uncommon for pregnant women to be repulsed by the smell of chicken.

Of course, it can also be salmonella.

Or a harmless byproduct of the packaging process:
https://support.hellofresh.com.....unny-
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amother




Babypink


Post  Mon, Jul 15 2019, 6:46 pm
DrMom wrote:
Even if this is allowed under law, doesn't it present a kashrut problem?

What if you buy a package of kosher chicken in a non-exclusively-kosher supermarket? I'm pretty sure they cannot open it, patchke with it, and repackage it and expect the local Jewish population to buy it. I would assume some local kashrut authority would be aware of this practice and warn the local Jewish population to stay away.


I checked with someone in the chicken business. He told me that there are no regulations regarding what sell by date the store can put on the chicken. The repackaging is only when the company buys the chickens in bulk from the chicken factory. If the chickens are prepackaged in the company name (think empire chickens in the non-kosher supermarkets), then obviously they can't be repackaged.

The larger kosher stores buy the chickens fresh by the crate and package them at the store. There is nothing stopping them from changing the packaging then. (Think styrofoam tray with chicken and shrinkwrapped, store printed label stating weight/cost per lb/total cost)
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amother




Yellow


Post  Mon, Jul 15 2019, 7:18 pm
Did anyone have that from gourmet glat I just had chickens smell from them even after washing it off. I was too embarrassed to call to complain. plus I figured they would want me to return it to them but I had know room in my fridge and freezer to store spoiled food. it was in a cool air condition car for 10-15 minutes is that bad? Could it have gotten spoiled so fast. I once had it with a different lakewood store and they said since they got no other complaints they wont take it back because it was probably my fault ,which I was certain then it wasn't .

* please dont quote me I will erase the store name once I get replies
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tichellady




 
 
 


Post  Mon, Jul 15 2019, 7:30 pm
I freeze chicken unless I am cooking it within two days. It always goes bad way way before the date imo
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hillary




 
 
 


Post  Mon, Jul 15 2019, 8:00 pm
After having many experiences with bad chicken from another store, I started purchasing only in Gourmet Glatt. Their chicken has always been fine. Very clean and fresh.
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