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amother
Lawngreen


 

Post Fri, Jul 19 2019, 6:06 am
I know someone who's child pulled the frying pan while she was standing there frying.
She was rushed to the ER. Within the hour CPS was at her door!

She happens to have a very tidy home and everything is childproof (all the safety rules like plug covers and no beds near windows etc.) So they really didn't have much to see.

If CPS was alarmed they would be in your house already.

Do you have fear only of CPS or also general fear of being arrested etc?
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amother
Babyblue


 

Post Fri, Jul 19 2019, 8:17 am
My parents are being threatened by a hospital right now that they will call cps if my parents don’t put her into a restrictive “pain management facility” rehab. My parents have a clear diagnosis for my sibling from the infectious disease specialist and it warrants antibiotics and other medical care. Which they want to implement instead of doing what hospital demands, which would basically stop medical care and let this rehab force the child to live with the pain.
Hospital doesn’t care about this diagnosis, they claim it’s not recognized etc and are being very nasty and refusing to work with my parents for the best of this child (CDC has it documented as a recognized disease).
This would be detrimental to the child’s health since pain caused by a active medical issue(parasite and infectious organism) won’t go away with physical therapy and child being told “it’s in your head”
Physical therapy IS needed during medical treatment which my parents plan to continue doing so there really is no justifiable reason to threaten
We probably need a lawyer
I might make my own thread so as not to derail this one. Not sure yet if I’m ready to do that since it’s a very private and sensitive situation and a new thread may not be wise idea
Can anyone relate? If I get responses I’ll decide then
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princessleah




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 19 2019, 8:55 am
I called CPS 2 weeks ago on one of my patients.
She's a young single mom with a 1-year old kid who she's with 24/7. She's kind of losing it, and she's also very young and just doesn't know how to parent. e.g., when he turned 1 she put him in a toddler bed and then told me he's "so bad" because he kept getting out. When he hits her, she hits him back.

What provoked the phone call is that she told me she gets so frustrated sometimes "I just wanna strangle him" and that at one point, she put her hand around his neck, and another time, held a blanket over him.

CPS contacted her right away. What did they do? Found her a mother/child parenting class, are helping her with subsidized child care, etc. They don't jump to automatically remove a kid unless there is clear danger there.

Also, ped ERs are filled with injured children. They do not call CPS on every single injury-- it would be overwhelming.
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amother
Mauve


 

Post Fri, Jul 19 2019, 9:00 am
hi Op
sounds like you do not have anything to worry about - the cases I know about the authorities get involved pretty much right away.
it is extremely concerning how, even with the best of intentions, one sees someone in a bureaucracy with seemingly lots of power to misapply and intervene in normative families and parental authority.
have seen this in hospitals, airlines, family court (divorce), public schools, and the like.
it can get crazy and really defy all logic
however, usually these things do not happen
and generally eventually the truth does come out
never let this deter you or anyone from getting appropriate medical attention - often cases could happen when someone does not do that or child proof their home or take all normative supervision over children and someone like schools report though again these are extreme and rare examples B"H
I tell myself just keep doing the right thing and daven
and that if on the tiniest chance something like that happens IY"H we will handle it and all will be well. best to work to stay positive and calm. ( it is true that in some areas and with some people frumkeit is not understood to say the least, still this does not give authorities enough "ammunition" to do something like take children away R"L)

(and so sorry for your family pain baby blue another -- refuah shleimah and all good to you and your family - don't want to jijack thread but will say I would research the issue and perhaps talk to an attorney as to how best to switch hospitals and proceed according to the medically objective best approach for your sib- I would ask the medical people involved in your sibs care who your parents are following for advice on how to get sib best care and agreed approach which they may have already done and I would contact cdc about it also)

refuah shleimah and have a gut Shabbos
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pesek zman




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 19 2019, 9:06 am
amother [ Babyblue ] wrote:
My parents are being threatened by a hospital right now that they will call cps if my parents don’t put her into a restrictive “pain management facility” rehab. My parents have a clear diagnosis for my sibling from the infectious disease specialist and it warrants antibiotics and other medical care. Which they want to implement instead of doing what hospital demands, which would basically stop medical care and let this rehab force the child to live with the pain.
Hospital doesn’t care about this diagnosis, they claim it’s not recognized etc and are being very nasty and refusing to work with my parents for the best of this child (CDC has it documented as a recognized disease).
This would be detrimental to the child’s health since pain caused by a active medical issue(parasite and infectious organism) won’t go away with physical therapy and child being told “it’s in your head”
Physical therapy IS needed during medical treatment which my parents plan to continue doing so there really is no justifiable reason to threaten
We probably need a lawyer
I might make my own thread so as not to derail this one. Not sure yet if I’m ready to do that since it’s a very private and sensitive situation and a new thread may not be wise idea
Can anyone relate? If I get responses I’ll decide then


I’ve had many families like your parents.
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amother
Babyblue


 

Post Fri, Jul 19 2019, 9:12 am
pesek zman wrote:
I’ve had many families like your parents.


Meaning?
She has Lyme disease and they wanna make an example of them that it’s nonsense
Their main mistake is denying that one of them is a medically recognized strain diagnosed by quest labs
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amother
Babyblue


 

Post Fri, Jul 19 2019, 9:19 am
amother [ Mauve ] wrote:
hi Op
sounds like you do not have anything to worry about - the cases I know about the authorities get involved pretty much right away.
it is extremely concerning how, even with the best of intentions, one sees someone in a bureaucracy with seemingly lots of power to misapply and intervene in normative families and parental authority.
have seen this in hospitals, airlines, family court (divorce), public schools, and the like.
it can get crazy and really defy all logic
however, usually these things do not happen
and generally eventually the truth does come out
never let this deter you or anyone from getting appropriate medical attention - often cases could happen when someone does not do that or child proof their home or take all normative supervision over children and someone like schools report though again these are extreme and rare examples B"H
I tell myself just keep doing the right thing and daven
and that if on the tiniest chance something like that happens IY"H we will handle it and all will be well. best to work to stay positive and calm. ( it is true that in some areas and with some people frumkeit is not understood to say the least, still this does not give authorities enough "ammunition" to do something like take children away R"L)

(and so sorry for your family pain baby blue another -- refuah shleimah and all good to you and your family - don't want to jijack thread but will say I would research the issue and perhaps talk to an attorney as to how best to switch hospitals and proceed according to the medically objective best approach for your sib- I would ask the medical people involved in your sibs care who your parents are following for advice on how to get sib best care and agreed approach which they may have already done and I would contact cdc about it also)

refuah shleimah and have a gut Shabbos


Thanks. I don’t wanna derail so will keep it short.
Outside specialists all agree she needs antibiotics and more especially with the diagnosed encephalitis. But my parents are very nervous since many times cps can cause major trauma even if innocent. And we can’t afford to delay her care it’s getting worse
ETA. Diagnosis of bartonella and borrellia myamotoi (cdc recognized) confirmed by multiple labs
ETA too-she’s under the private care of a pediatric neurologist in that hospital, who disagrees with hospital approach. We definitely have rights. It’s just a big pain this threat
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amother
Mauve


 

Post Fri, Jul 19 2019, 9:28 am
yes - your situation is different than Op's.
sib can't be switched to a hospital on board with the plan?
I'm sure you've all considered everything already -- hugs to you and your family and hatzlocha
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amother
Babyblue


 

Post Fri, Jul 19 2019, 9:47 am
amother [ Mauve ] wrote:
yes - your situation is different than Op's.
sib can't be switched to a hospital on board with the plan?
I'm sure you've all considered everything already -- hugs to you and your family and hatzlocha


Thank you
It’s definitely possible. She went in for afew tests under a particular neurologist. Now that the tests were completed and the team consisting of this dr plus the infectious disease specialist as well as the lyme specialist (who also has an MD) created a treatment plan she doesn’t need to be there anymore.
However they refuse to release her and aren’t doing anything for her anyway. No tests or treatments. And they made it clear they will call cps/government if she’s signed out and transferred elsewhere
A good lawyer can advise and help but it takes time, which is of essence especially since they stopped alll her meds.
Cps is vital for real abuse cases. However they Can also misuse their authority and can cause major issues for parents. Especially when this child is in worsening condition. For example the encephalitis causes thickened mucus which she can’t swallow and causes choking. So someone needs to suction her mouth often.
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amother
OP


 

Post Fri, Jul 19 2019, 9:54 am
amother [ Babyblue ] wrote:
My parents are being threatened by a hospital right now that they will call cps if my parents don’t put her into a restrictive “pain management facility” rehab. My parents have a clear diagnosis for my sibling from the infectious disease specialist and it warrants antibiotics and other medical care. Which they want to implement instead of doing what hospital demands, which would basically stop medical care and let this rehab force the child to live with the pain.
Hospital doesn’t care about this diagnosis, they claim it’s not recognized etc and are being very nasty and refusing to work with my parents for the best of this child (CDC has it documented as a recognized disease).
This would be detrimental to the child’s health since pain caused by a active medical issue(parasite and infectious organism) won’t go away with physical therapy and child being told “it’s in your head”
Physical therapy IS needed during medical treatment which my parents plan to continue doing so there really is no justifiable reason to threaten
We probably need a lawyer
I might make my own thread so as not to derail this one. Not sure yet if I’m ready to do that since it’s a very private and sensitive situation and a new thread may not be wise idea
Can anyone relate? If I get responses I’ll decide then


That’s terrible! I personally know two people suffering from Lyme and are having similar difficulty with treatment as well. It is so so so rough, and the last thing anyone needs is abuse accusations when worrying and caring and trying to treat a loved one. Especially in your case because on the contrary- the hospital doesn’t want to treat and your parents want to go the extra mile to do whatever they can. This is just so backwards. I am davening for you and hope things iron out fast and that sibling gets a Refuah shelaima
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amother
Babyblue


 

Post Fri, Jul 19 2019, 10:05 am
amother [ OP ] wrote:
That’s terrible! I personally know two people suffering from Lyme and are having similar difficulty with treatment as well. It is so so so rough, and the last thing anyone needs is abuse accusations when worrying and caring and trying to treat a loved one. Especially in your case because on the contrary- the hospital doesn’t want to treat and your parents want to go the extra mile to do whatever they can. This is just so backwards. I am davening for you and hope things iron out fast and that sibling gets a Refuah shelaima


Thank u op. Please forgive me for posting in your thread. I’ll be short
They stated openly they don’t care about lyme. It’s a nightmare since her bite last summer. Bh after months of trying to get answers we got her a diagnosis including one which is medically recognized (since most lyme strains r scoffed at and not believed)
We need hashems rachmim and real life guidance from lawyers. I posted her for some advice or feedback, thank you for the support
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amother
OP


 

Post Fri, Jul 19 2019, 10:30 am
amother [ Babyblue ] wrote:
Thank u op. Please forgive me for posting in your thread. I’ll be short
They stated openly they don’t care about lyme. It’s a nightmare since her bite last summer. Bh after months of trying to get answers we got her a diagnosis including one which is medically recognized (since most lyme strains r scoffed at and not believed)
We need hashems rachmim and real life guidance from lawyers. I posted her for some advice or feedback, thank you for the support


Not at all - I wanted to hear others stories !

I wish you best of luck with the lawyers etc. Lyme is so real, I don’t even understand how doctor can scoff about it.
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ectomorph




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 19 2019, 10:40 am
Just google CPS horror stories...
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amother
Fuchsia


 

Post Fri, Jul 19 2019, 11:27 am
amother [ Babyblue ] wrote:
Thank u op. Please forgive me for posting in your thread. I’ll be short
They stated openly they don’t care about lyme. It’s a nightmare since her bite last summer. Bh after months of trying to get answers we got her a diagnosis including one which is medically recognized (since most lyme strains r scoffed at and not believed)
We need hashems rachmim and real life guidance from lawyers. I posted her for some advice or feedback, thank you for the support

.
This is truly horrifying. I'm so sorry. First things first- you need a patient advocate. Have they contacted any of the medical referral/advocacy organizations for advice? They can also probably put you in touch with the right lawyer and facilitate and expedite the whole process
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amother
Goldenrod


 

Post Fri, Jul 19 2019, 12:04 pm
amother [ Babyblue ] wrote:
Thank u op. Please forgive me for posting in your thread. I’ll be short
They stated openly they don’t care about lyme. It’s a nightmare since her bite last summer. Bh after months of trying to get answers we got her a diagnosis including one which is medically recognized (since most lyme strains r scoffed at and not believed)
We need hashems rachmim and real life guidance from lawyers. I posted her for some advice or feedback, thank you for the support


If you're following accepted medical advice and protocol then just do as you please and let the hospital call cps. You can fight it out in court later, especially if you are scientifically backed.
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amother
Babyblue


 

Post Fri, Jul 19 2019, 1:06 pm
My parents plan to do what the specialists they trust say, but are at same time researching and getting advice what to do and avoid. Such as not signing any forms no matter how much pressure the hospital applies, since it can be used against them.
Lyme disease is real. Cdc wants to avoid what would cost ALOT of money researching lyme etc. I know because senators are trying for many years to force cdc to face this growing lyme threat.
America in general is behind other countries in this area.
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amother
Black


 

Post Fri, Jul 19 2019, 1:24 pm
amother [ Babyblue ] wrote:
My parents plan to do what the specialists they trust say, but are at same time researching and getting advice what to do and avoid. Such as not signing any forms no matter how much pressure the hospital applies, since it can be used against them.
Lyme disease is real. Cdc wants to avoid what would cost ALOT of money researching lyme etc. I know because senators are trying for many years to force cdc to face this growing lyme threat.
America in general is behind other countries in this area.


The cdc never said Lyme disease isn’t real. And what does the cdc have to do with your siblings case? Have they had their other doctors call the doctors that are treating your sibling now and send over their reports?
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amother
Babyblue


 

Post Fri, Jul 19 2019, 2:24 pm
amother [ Black ] wrote:
The cdc never said Lyme disease isn’t real. And what does the cdc have to do with your siblings case? Have they had their other doctors call the doctors that are treating your sibling now and send over their reports?


It’s controversial they don’t always consider it real I can’t go into it
She has a accepted strain so this is why it’s very frustrating and crazy
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amother
Fuchsia


 

Post Fri, Jul 19 2019, 2:32 pm
Baby Blue amother, if she gets sent to a rehab facility, the rehab needs to provide any medical treatment that is required in addition to the therapy services. If her doctor orders a specific antibiotics protocol, they are required to give it to her. They don't make their own decisions- they take orders from her treating physicians
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amother
Goldenrod


 

Post Fri, Jul 19 2019, 2:34 pm
amother [ Black ] wrote:
The cdc never said Lyme disease isn’t real. And what does the cdc have to do with your siblings case? Have they had their other doctors call the doctors that are treating your sibling now and send over their reports?


Lyme disease itself is not controversial. Some of the issues atteibuted to Lyme are and some people believe you need less markers than the CDC mandates. So this means some people pursue a diagnosis of Lyme instead of treating another medically recognized problem, but that does not mean this poster is doing that.
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