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Should Israel have ignored Trump’s pressure in regard to Omar and Tlab, and allowed them to visit Israel?I
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 57%  [ 42 ]
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Mevater




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 15 2019, 7:58 pm
Do you think Israel should have ignored Trump’s pressure, and allowed Omar and Tlaib to visit Israel? The below writer thinks so. I think many, myself included, disagree. Reasons were given for not allowing them to visit Israel, such as them not planning to meet any Israeli government officials, so it was clear their intentions were not to speak about peace.

Israel should have ignored Trump’s pressure on Omar and Tlaib
Banning members of Congress, even anti-Semitic BDS supporters, from entering the country is a grave mistake that will only help Israel’s foes.

(August 15, 2019 / JNS) Unlike his predecessor, Barack Obama, President Donald Trump doesn’t think more “daylight” between the United States and Israel is needed, and he has had Israel’s back on all the major issues regarding the peace process and threats like Iran.

But ironically, this is a moment when Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu should have not only sought to establish a little distance between his government and the White House, but also ignored the advice coming from the Twitter account of @realDonaldTrump.
Trump’s Thursday-morning tweet, in which he said “it would show great weakness” if Israel allowed Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) and Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) to enter the country, apparently helped push Netanyahu to decide to prevent the pair from carrying out their planned trip, which was originally slated to start on Sunday.

While this may play well with some Israelis and also serves Trump’s political interests, it is a terrible mistake that will only hurt Israel and help its enemies.

Trump is right when he says that Omar and Tlaib hate Israel. They’re both guilty of anti-Semitic attacks on the Jewish nation and its American supporters, in which they’ve claimed that Jews are buying congressional support and are guilty of dual loyalty to both countries. They’re supporters of a BDS movement that is drenched in anti-Semitism and seeks to eliminate the one Jewish state on the planet.

Their goal is to conduct a circus-like tour of Palestinian sites in which a gaggle of international journalists will help them smear Israel as an oppressor. The problems of the Palestinians would have been depicted as solely the fault of Israel, while the oppression, violence, corruption and intransigence of both the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in the Gaza Strip would have been ignored.

But keeping them out of the country will help the congresswomen’s cause and other Israel-haters far more than Israel.

By going back on his government’s initial promise to allow the two to visit Israel, made last month by Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Ron Dermer, Netanyahu is hurting his country’s image as a free and open democracy that is not afraid of scrutiny. While that is an important consideration, the real damage goes far deeper than mere bad optics.

Their denied entry will give opponents of laws that ban compliance with BDS boycotts the ability to say that Israel and its friends are seeking to bar free speech.

More importantly, by allowing Omar and Tlaib to pose as martyrs, Israel will engender sympathy for them among their fellow Democrats, aiding rather than hindering their effort to ensure that the party is further alienated from Israel.

At the bottom of this controversy is a foolish law passed by the Knesset in 2017 to ban entry into the country of foreigners who support boycotts of Israel. The point of the legislation was to hinder non-government organizations that seek to promote the false image of Israel as an “apartheid” state. But while this inconvenienced these activists, its main impact was to provide fodder for their propaganda efforts. Their activities inside Israel did little or no actual harm to the state. Yet their exclusion made the region’s only democracy seem like just another petty tyranny. The law allowed Israelis to vent their anger at opponents, but helped their foes more than it hurt them.

Law or no law, under normal circumstances, no Israeli government would think of enforcing a ban on a member of Congress, no matter how much they may be disliked or unwelcome. The reason why the unthinkable became Israeli policy is rooted in the politics of both countries.

Netanyahu may think this decision will help him rally more right-wing Israeli voters to the Likud prior to next month’s elections, where he is fighting for his political life.

The more important calculation is that it is in Trump’s interests for Netanyahu to ban Omar and Tlaib.

Much as was the case with his previous shots at the pair and the other members of the “Squad,” like Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), Trump wants these radicals to become the face of the Democratic Party. His attacks on them helped turned them into martyrs and the darlings of both the party’s left-wing activist base, the liberal media and late-night television comedy shows.

Though their views are out of sync with more moderate Democrats, like the 41 members of the House who just visited Israel this past week to express their solidarity, Trump’s broadsides make it harder for others in their party to censure or hold them accountable for their anti-Semitism.

Moderate Democrats are trying, albeit not always successfully, to hold the line against radicals whose animus for Israel is fueled by intersectional theories that are fashionable on the far-left and with minority communities. But Trump wants them to fail and to further the alarming chasm between many Democrats and supporters of Israel that was widened by the misguided policies of Obama. The further to the left the Democrats drift, the easier Trump thinks it will be for him to be re-elected.

Trump may be the most pro-Israel U.S. president to date, and many friends of Israel view with alarm the possibility that a Democrat with far less sympathy for the Jewish state will replace him in the Oval Office in 2021. But given the fact that good relations with the United States is a long-term priority that transcends the political calculations of both Trump and Netanyahu, it’s not in Israel’s interests to do anything that will make the break with Democrats worse.

That is exactly what Netanyahu has done by banning Omar and Tlaib.

And by announcing his decision only an hour after Trump’s tweet, Netanyahu is allowing detractors to portray him as a lap dog of an American president, which is something that will make it harder for him or a successor to say “no” to the White House the next time it becomes necessary.

Even those who rightly regard Omar and Tlaib with anger and contempt should understand that this decision is a self-inflicted wound that will do Israel far more damage in terms of its interests and its image than any short-lived visit would have done.

Jonathan S. Tobin is editor in chief of JNS—Jewish News Syndicate. Follow him on Twitter at: @jonathans_tobin. https://www.jns.org/opinion/is.....and-tlaib/
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leah233




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 15 2019, 8:06 pm
They should not have listened to Trump but if they were going to do so anyway they should have put the blame and responsibility exclusively on him and said something like "We respect and welcome all members of congress. However we respect the American president even more. If he feels we should not allow in a member of congress we won't"
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Squishy




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 15 2019, 8:18 pm
https://www.foxnews.com/opinio.....wish-state
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Post  Thu, Aug 15 2019, 8:19 pm
This was a no-win situation for Israel.

Choice #1 was to allow Omar and Tlaib to stage their show over a series of weeks, both during their actual trip as well as before and after, as they make the rounds of interview shows.

Choice #2 was to bite the bullet, take a short-term PR hit, and refuse to grant them visas.

I suspect Israel felt the news cycle would condemn Choice #2 but forget about it when the story is replaced by something new within a few days.
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Mama Bear




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 15 2019, 8:23 pm
I wish they would have been able to visit , to see the real Israel and not the way it's portrayed by the palestinian media. It bothers me that they aren't going to see it for themselves. So many of these BDS people see the real truth once they actually visit ISrael. Now theyre just gonna stay with their perceptions and propaganda and brainwashing from BDS and Palestinian sympathizers. Sad
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Post  Thu, Aug 15 2019, 8:36 pm
Mama Bear wrote:
I wish they would have been able to visit , to see the real Israel and not the way it's portrayed by the palestinian media. It bothers me that they aren't going to see it for themselves. So many of these BDS people see the real truth once they actually visit ISrael. Now theyre just gonna stay with their perceptions and propaganda and brainwashing from BDS and Palestinian sympathizers. Sad


People see what they want to see, especially when they have preconceived notions. I highly doubt they would have acknowledged any truths. It's much more likely, they'd find a way to spin things to support their perceptions and propaganda.
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marina




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 15 2019, 8:57 pm
Anyone bothered by the president of the united states pressuring a country to bar entry to congresspeople he disagrees with? Anyone?

Last edited by marina on Thu, Aug 15 2019, 9:04 pm; edited 2 times in total
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allthingsblue




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 15 2019, 8:59 pm
marina wrote:
Anyone bothered by the president of the united states pressuring a country to bar entry to congresspeople he disagrees with? Anyone?


That doesn't bother me (that's the least of his problems). I find it odd that Israel caved after he tweeted; makes them look juvenile. But I would have gritted my teeth at the inevitable pro-Palestinian propaganda they'd have dished, so I guess for me personally it's lose-lose.
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marina




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 15 2019, 9:05 pm
Can you imagine Obama pressuring France to bar entry to Mitch McConnell? What is going on? How low has this presidency sunk? Is this the new normal we are expected to tolerate in Congress? Gross.
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allthingsblue




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 15 2019, 9:11 pm
Are you really surprised????

(Ps- people in government say hurtful things sometimes. The congresswomen in question certainly have. So has their squad-mate. Over tisha bav as I read storie so of the Holocaust I kept thinking how wrong and arrogant AOC is.)
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marina




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 15 2019, 9:55 pm
allthingsblue wrote:
Are you really surprised????

(Ps- people in government say hurtful things sometimes. The congresswomen in question certainly have. So has their squad-mate. Over tisha bav as I read storie so of the Holocaust I kept thinking how wrong and arrogant AOC is.)


Her comments were widely mischaracterized though.
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allthingsblue




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 15 2019, 10:01 pm
marina wrote:
Her comments were widely mischaracterized though.


I heard her comment. And many times she said she did not regret it.
It's trivializing and minimizing the Holocaust. As a Jew, I find that scary.
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MiracleMama




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 15 2019, 10:03 pm
We’re these 2 women actually scheduled to visit Israel? On some official mission? On behalf of the US? Can someone please fill me in?
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Post  Thu, Aug 15 2019, 10:05 pm
marina wrote:
Can you imagine Obama pressuring France to bar entry to Mitch McConnell? What is going on? How low has this presidency sunk? Is this the new normal we are expected to tolerate in Congress? Gross.

Lol! I can't imagine Obama attempting to pressure any country to do anything.

Such as reduce their sponsorship of terrorism (Iran). Or claiming he'd have more flexibility "after the election" (Russia). Or completely ignoring military build-up affecting trade (China). Or even ask nicely for other NATO countries to pay what they promised. Or asking a country to take back an elderly Nazi (Germany).

So you're correct! I definitely cannot imagine Obama pressuring, giving advice, or so much as expressing an opinion to Israel.

Of course, that might be because Obama's pressure, advice or opinions would have been colored by one of his senior officials telling a reporter, "The thing about [Israeli Prime Minister] Bibi [Netanyahu]," a senior US government official told the Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg, "is he's a chicken@#$!."
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samantha87




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 15 2019, 10:13 pm
marina wrote:
Can you imagine Obama pressuring France to bar entry to Mitch McConnell? What is going on? How low has this presidency sunk? Is this the new normal we are expected to tolerate in Congress? Gross.


You're comparing Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib to Mitch McConnell? Are they truly running the House in place of Nancy Pelosi? That's certainly what the Republicans want you to believe.

A helpful comparison would be to Obama pressuring France to bar entry to a Republican member of Congress who demonizes France and the French people. I can't think of any such Republican, though. Maybe Tom Tancredo and illegal immigrant-stan.
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allthingsblue




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 15 2019, 10:14 pm
samantha87 wrote:
You're comparing Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib to Mitch McConnell? Are they truly running the House in place of Nancy Pelosi? That's certainly what the Republicans want you to believe.

A helpful comparison would be to Obama pressuring France to bar entry to a Republican member of Congress who demonizes France and the French people. I can't think of any such Republican, though. Maybe Tom Tancredo and illegal immigrant-stan.


And wants to boycott them.
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Fox




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 15 2019, 10:15 pm
MiracleMama wrote:
We’re these 2 women actually scheduled to visit Israel? On some official mission? On behalf of the US? Can someone please fill me in?

Their trip was sponsored by Miftah, a Ramallah-based organization that has long had ties to terrorist activity; regularly praises suicide attacks; and has promoted blood libels against Jews.

A few salient facts:

* Omar and Tlaib did not request to meet with any Israeli officials or members of opposition parties.

* They did not join a group of 70 congressional reps for a trip earlier month, which included critics of Israel.

* Their itinerary avoided using the word "Israel" for anywhere -- either leaving it out completely or substituting "Palestine."

* Israeli law precludes granting visas to anyone advocating for boycotting or other forms of harm to Israel.

* Rep. Tlaib may request a visa to visit relatives if she agrees to refrain from promoting BDS activities during her visit.
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MiracleMama




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 15 2019, 10:23 pm
Thanks.
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Mevater




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 15 2019, 10:45 pm
Fox wrote:
This was a no-win situation for Israel.

Choice #1 was to allow Omar and Tlaib to stage their show over a series of weeks, both during their actual trip as well as before and after, as they make the rounds of interview shows.

Choice #2 was to bite the bullet, take a short-term PR hit, and refuse to grant them visas.

I suspect Israel felt the news cycle would condemn Choice #2 but forget about it when the story is replaced by something new within a few days.


+1000000000000
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DrMom




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 15 2019, 10:56 pm
Do we know for sure that they were banned at Trump's request?

Israel has denied visas to numerous anti-Israel visitors in the past.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.....598737/amp
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