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Mevater




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 22 2019, 6:04 pm
Many can and do disagree with much of what Pres Trump says, but can anyone disagree with his specific point in regard to the change within the Democratic party and their shift away from support of Israel?

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#BestBubby




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 22 2019, 6:08 pm
Don't understand how any frum Jew (or religious xtian) can be a Democrat:

* abortion on demand - even infanticide

* LGBQT agenda

* Anti-Semitic/Anti-Israel

* Trying to destroy Yeshiva - calling it neglect

* attack on Bris Milah

* Anti-Free Speech - only P.C. allowed

* Open Borders

* Anti-Religion

* Pro Socialist
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itsmeima




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 22 2019, 6:19 pm
Mevater wrote:
Many can and do disagree with much of what Pres Trump says, but can anyone disagree with his specific point in regard to the change within the Democratic party and their shift away from support of Israel?


Who can argue with the Chosen One?
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southernbubby




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 22 2019, 6:37 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
Don't understand how any frum Jew (or religious xtian) can be a Democrat:

* abortion on demand - even infanticide

* LGBQT agenda

* Anti-Semitic/Anti-Israel

* Trying to destroy Yeshiva - calling it neglect

* attack on Bris Milah

* Anti-Free Speech - only P.C. allowed

* Open Borders

* Anti-Religion

* Pro Socialist


Most frum people are Republican, as you know, but in some local elections, frum Jews may run as Democrats in order to get more benefits for the community.
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Mevater




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 22 2019, 6:44 pm
itsmeima wrote:
Who can argue with the Chosen One?


Im not sure Id call him that, but its crystal clear that G-d has NOT chosen the two Congresswomen to be sympathetic to Israel (or fellow Democrats in power, to speak up at least a little), while Pres Trump is of all Presidents since the birth of the State of Israel, most sympathetic to Israel's needs.
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allthingsblue




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 22 2019, 6:48 pm
Didn't watch the video but being that only 17 dems voted against the anti BDS resolution, I'd say the majority of democrats do support Israel.
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itsmeima




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 22 2019, 7:03 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
Don't understand how any frum Jew (or religious xtian) can be a Democrat:

* abortion on demand - even infanticide

* LGBQT agenda

* Anti-Semitic/Anti-Israel

* Trying to destroy Yeshiva - calling it neglect

* attack on Bris Milah

* Anti-Free Speech - only P.C. allowed

* Open Borders

* Anti-Religion

* Pro Socialist


Open Borders - Mah Hakesher?
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PinkFridge




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 22 2019, 7:09 pm
Mevater wrote:
Im not sure Id call him that, but its crystal clear that G-d has NOT chosen the two Congresswomen to be sympathetic to Israel (or fellow Democrats in power, to speak up at least a little), while Pres Trump is of all Presidents since the birth of the State of Israel, most sympathetic to Israel's needs.


I am finding what's happening with the Democratic party very disconcerting myself. I appreciate a lot of what the president's done too. But we must not forget: Al tivtechu bin'divim.
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nchr




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 22 2019, 7:09 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
Don't understand how any frum Jew (or religious xtian) can be a Democrat:

* abortion on demand - even infanticide
* LGBQT agenda
* Anti-Semitic/Anti-Israel
* Trying to destroy Yeshiva - calling it neglect
* attack on Bris Milah
* Anti-Free Speech - only P.C. allowed
* Open Borders
* Anti-Religion
* Pro Socialist


I'm not commenting on my personal political beliefs, but I can explain how some of these would be fine with frum people.

1. Abortion - The Torah allows abortion, mostly for medical reasons, but also for emotional ones (I.e. rape, single woman, mental health, etc.)
2. LGBQT - Jews want to make sure that they are not discriminated against. Many cultures who discriminate against LGBQT individuals, also discriminate against other minority groups, which may include Jews.
3. Anti-Semetic/Anti-Israel: Many frum people are divided in re to Israeli politics, although when we refer to the world and Israel, most are on the same page.
4. When there are residents of the US that cannot read or write in the countries language by the time they graduate, that can be defined as neglectful by many frum individuals. You do realize that an MO education incorporates secular and religious studies nicely and reasonably?
5. I think this may be a one most frum people have trouble with; however, everyone wants safer bris milah. There are now ways even the most frum communities who believe in metzitza bapeh utilize to keep babies safer (I.e. mouthwashes, regular testing, gloves when bandaging, etc.) Parents also need to be careful when kissing their babies and diapering them.
6. Judaism advocates guarding your tongue.
7. Many Jews realize that if not for their grandparents or great grandparents immigrating to this country, they would be in a very poor situation. They want to give this right to others.
8. Not sure I get this one?
9. They want more affordable health care and free education.

Again, I am not sharing my personal views on the matter because I don't believe in discussing these things; however, I am explaining why it is plain ignorant to not see that someone may have a different opinion than you and still be frum. Also, even if you believe something is antithetical to frum Judaism, it does not mean that no frum person may struggle with that. BH our religion is not all or nothing.

The democratic party has changed a lot, but there are frum people who still see themselves in that party, especially youth. Most frum people, however, are republicans except for in local elections.


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#BestBubby




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 22 2019, 7:10 pm
itsmeima wrote:
Open Borders - Mah Hakesher?


Open Borders are destroying USA. Immigrants flee Socialist Hell-Holes and vote
Democrat to turn USA into Socialist Hell-Hole.

Also illegal immigrants cause high crime, take American jobs, drive down wages,
and use welfare that we all have to pay for. Democrats want immigrants because
they vote D.
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itsmeima




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 22 2019, 7:20 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
Open Borders are destroying USA. Immigrants flee Socialist Hell-Holes and vote
Democrat to turn USA into Socialist Hell-Hole.

Also illegal immigrants cause high crime, take American jobs, drive down wages,
and use welfare that we all have to pay for. Democrats want immigrants because
they vote D.


Again, how is this a "frum" issue?
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Lesia




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 22 2019, 7:21 pm
allthingsblue wrote:
Didn't watch the video but being that only 17 dems voted against the anti BDS resolution, I'd say the majority of democrats do support Israel.

Come on, don’t be a spoilsport. It’s much more fun to pretend that a small fringe group of radicals is representative of the entire Democratic Party. The truth is not as much fun as the lies.
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PinkFridge




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 22 2019, 7:27 pm
nchr wrote:
I'm not commenting on my personal political beliefs, but I can explain how some of these would be fine with frum people.

6. Judaism advocates guarding your tongue.


They have a totally warped form of ona'as devarim. And tolerance only works in one direction.
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Lesia




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 22 2019, 7:33 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
Open Borders are destroying USA. Immigrants flee Socialist Hell-Holes and vote
Democrat to turn USA into Socialist Hell-Hole.

If they flee socialist hellholes to come to America, why would they want to turn America into another socialist hellhole?

I think you’re so far gone up in your head on your hate and bigotry, you’re messing up your talking points.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 22 2019, 7:35 pm
There is no "free speech" in the Torah. Laws against Loshon Horah, Ona'as Devorim, Chutzpa etc.

But governments must have Free Speech or else there is tyranny. Which means that
"hate speech" must be legal (although it should be condemned).
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#BestBubby




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 22 2019, 7:39 pm
Lesia wrote:
If they flee socialist hellholes to come to America, why would they want to turn America into another socialist hellhole?

I think you’re so far gone up in your head on your hate and bigotry, you’re messing up your talking points.


Because people ALWAYS vote for "freebies" I.e. Socialism. The hell-hole part comes later.

We have already seen how "socialism" led to mass poverty, mass incarceration (jail) and mass executions in Soviet Union, Communist China, Cambodia, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela - and yet people want it here! Because....FREE College! FREE Healthcare
But then everyone loses their FREEdom!

"The only Free Cheese is in a Trap" Russian Proverb
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Lesia




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 22 2019, 7:43 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
Because people ALWAYS vote for "freebies" I.e. Socialism. The hell-hole part comes later.

We have already seen how "socialism" led to mass poverty, mass incarceration (jail) and mass executions in Soviet Union, Communist China, Cambodia, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela - and yet people want it here! Because....FREE College! FREE Healthcare
But then everyone loses their FREEdom!

"The only Free Cheese is in a Trap" Russian Proverb

You’re confusing socialism with communism. The two are not interchangeable.
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genius




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 22 2019, 7:52 pm
Lesia wrote:
You’re confusing socialism with communism. The two are not interchangeable.

They are very similar. In any case communism is just one step after socialism
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Lesia




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 22 2019, 7:57 pm
genius wrote:
They are very similar. In any case communism is just one step after socialism

Please educate yourself. Here is a good place to start, an article with simple explanations.

http://www.businessdictionary......1412/
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#BestBubby




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Aug 22 2019, 7:58 pm
Lesia wrote:
You’re confusing socialism with communism. The two are not interchangeable.


Excerpts from article: Socialism will lead to Communism https://www.dailyherald.com/ar.....9980/

we all have forgotten the words of Karl Marx the father of communism: "The easiest way to kill capitalism is by taxes, taxes and more taxes."

Khrushchev, a later day adherent of communism, said this: "We cannot expect Americans to jump from capitalism to communism but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly find out they have communism,"
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