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#BestBubby

Sun, Sep 01 2019, 1:10 pm

Article on how government is intimidating doctors not to give medical exemptions: https://globalpossibilities.or.....ions/

California pediatrician Dr. Bob Sears recently testified at the California State Assembly hearing considering SB 276, which would prevent doctors from writing medical exemptions to childhood vaccines without the approval of California State health officials, appointed by politicians.

Dr. Sears pointed out that the passage of this bill would cause many doctors to stop writing medical exemptions for vaccines out of fear of what the California State Medical board may do to them, such as take away their license to practice medicine, or come under disciplinary action.

Dr. Sears should know, because that is exactly what happened to him. A disgruntled spouse in a custody case who wanted to administer several vaccines over the objection the other parent reported Dr. Sears to the California State Medical Board, which proceeded to put Dr. Sears on probation. This was in spite of the fact that the judge over the custody case agreed with Dr. Sears that there were valid medical reasons to not fully vaccinate the infant in question, who was suffering neurological disorders.

This action resulted in Dr. Sears having to pay over $20,000 a year in probation fees, and even though he has never had a single malpractice case, his malpractice insurance doubled, and he lost insurance contracts that allowed him to serve 500 military families, and now he can no longer provide service to these families.

dancingqueen

Sun, Sep 01 2019, 1:16 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

Some “doctors” in California have been writing fraudulent medical exemptions because California doesn’t have religious exemptions anymore. Can't Believe It

#BestBubby

Sun, Sep 01 2019, 1:19 pm

The reason Government and Pharmaceutical Industry are getting rid of religious & personal exemptions is to make it impossible to make a Vax vs UnVax Study. In order to do
a Vax vs UnVax study you need Unvaxxed children. A Vax vs UnVax Study would prove
that Government and Pharmaceutical Industry have caused millions of injuries to children (not just autism). Many people, not just anti-vaxxers, are demanding a Vax vs UnVax Study.

Solution? Get rid of the religious & personal exemptions and destroy the evidence, the
control group - unvaccinated children. Now a Vax vs UnVax study is impossible.

#BestBubby

Sun, Sep 01 2019, 1:23 pm

dancingqueen wrote:

Some “doctors” in California have been writing fraudulent medical exemptions because California doesn’t have religious exemptions anymore. Can't Believe It

So you are OK with government beaurocrats making medical decisions?

Like UK who decided that parents may not get medical treatment for their babies
(Charlie Gard, Alfie Evans) using their OWN money and ruled the babies MUST DIE
(for their own good, of course).

Like Canada, where government decides when a patient is "dead" or "hopeless" and must be removed from life support - even though per Torah says this is murder.

Big Government = Tyranny. Amazing how people can be so brainwashed into embracing tyranny.

amother

Red

Sun, Sep 01 2019, 1:28 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

which Government are you referring to?

#BestBubby

Sun, Sep 01 2019, 1:54 pm

amother [ Red ] wrote:

which Government are you referring to?

USA. The biggest "donor" (briber) of government is the pharmaceutical company.

70% of advertisement on newspapers and tv is pharmaceutical company.

amother

Royalblue

Sun, Sep 01 2019, 2:00 pm

southernbubby wrote:

As I have said in other threads, one of my kids was medically exempt from all vaccines from the age 5 due to seizures from a flu shot. When he became an adult, he resumed vaccinating by getting the MMR in response to the measles outbreak. No doctor wanted to vaccinate him for the rest of his childhood and no school or camp questioned the decision. I had even spoken to someone at the CDC in Atlanta and they agreed that no further vaccines should be given.

Your son was 5 so it was pretty visible from what it came. When you vaccinate on day 1, 2m, 4m and so on, its much harder to say it came from vaccines. 'The baby was born this way...' is a normal response.
I believe that if vaccines would all be postponed from 2 years on, vaccine injury would be way more black and white.

JoyInTheMorning

Sun, Sep 01 2019, 2:01 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

You keep saying that. It's not true. To the extent that the study is feasible -- it is not a trivial study -- they can do the study in Denmark or other countries where vaccinations aren't mandatory. After all, the study of 600,000 children that showed that the MMR is not associated with any increase in autism was carried out in Denmark, not in the United States. U.S. regulations, New York State regulations, California regulations won't make any difference. The fact is, however, that these studies are hard to do and take a long time. After all, anti-vaxxers are asking for large-scale longitudinal studies. They don't -- by definition they cannot -- happen overnight.

#BestBubby

Sun, Sep 01 2019, 2:10 pm

JoyInTheMorning wrote:

A Vax vs UnVax Study can be done extremely quickly. Just look at the rate of autism, allergies, asthma, diabetes, epilepsy in a large group (at least 10,000) of 100% unvaccinated children.

For example, we know the rate of autism in vaccinated kids is 1:45. If the rate of autism in
100% unvaccinated kids is 1:1,0000 or even less, we will know 100% that vaccines cause autism. And we will know VERY FAST - doesn't even take one year.

Joy in the Morning, can you explain why the government refuses to tell us the autism rate in 100% unvaccinated children? All government has to do is look at a large group (at least 10,000) of unvaccinated children. It IS very easy and very fast to do!

Instead the government and pharmaceutical industry is rushing to take away personal and religious exemptions to make it IMPOSSIBLE to ever do a Vax vs UnVax study - because the government and pharmaceutical industry have wiped out all unvaccinated children!
Unvaccinated Children are the EVIDENCE, the "smoking gun", the CONTROL GROUP - and
they are being eliminated by eliminating religious and personal exemptions.

teachkids

Sun, Sep 01 2019, 2:35 pm

amother [ Royalblue ] wrote:

Yes, but that means two years of our babies being in way more danger

#BestBubby

Sun, Sep 01 2019, 2:38 pm

amother [ Royalblue ] wrote:

This is exactly why the government insists on vaccinating fetuses (prenatal vaccines) and very frequently vaccinating newborn. So government and pharmaceutical industry can HIDE vaccine injuries and claim it's "genetic".

But injuries of healthy adults by flue vaccine and gardasil vaccine are revealing how vaccines are injuring healthy adults and teens.

#BestBubby

Sun, Sep 01 2019, 3:01 pm

teachkids wrote:

Yes, but that means two years of our babies being in way more danger

If you would only know the true danger of vaccines - especially to babies.

In the 1960s and 1970s most kids got vaccinated at age 5 - before starting school.

And the babies were not dying enmass.

JoyInTheMorning

Sun, Sep 01 2019, 3:04 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

If you would only know the true danger of vaccines - especially to babies.

In the 1960s and 1970s most kids got vaccinated at age 5 - before starting school.

And the babies were not dying enmass.

You're just wrong. Smallpox, polio, and measles (starting in 1963) vaccines were given to babies.

JAWSCIENCE

Sun, Sep 01 2019, 3:24 pm

The American academy of pediatrics the American academy of asthma allergy and immunity and the American college of asthma allergy and immunology all agree flu shots can be given to egg allergic people -even those who have had severe reactions to eggs - as there is no increased risk of reaction to flu vaccine. It doesn’t contain enough egg. They can even have it in the pediatricians office. However if your pediatrician is too scared to do so, or not up to date on the new literature allowing it- you can ask your allergist to give it in their office. Most will accommodate you. This policy changed a few years ago based on the hundreds of vaccines safely given in allergists offices to egg alllergic people, so not every physician is aware.

Plenty of physicians will give medical exemptions for specific vaccines when needed. Nobody should be giving a medical exemption for a flu vaccine based on egg allergy. Refusal to dos o does not mean the dr. Is scared. It means they are aware that there is no medical reason for that exemption anymore. Egg allergic people should not get yellow fever vaccine but that’s only for travel. This situation is very different from that of the original post where the child had a reaction to the actual vaccine.

JoyInTheMorning

Sun, Sep 01 2019, 3:27 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

You keep asking this question. In this post, you've addressed me, but you've addressed other posters as well.

The reason we haven't answered is that we are smart enough to be humble and know when an issue is much more complex than it would seem.

As it happens, I spend my professional life in research -- though in nothing connected to biology -- and as it happens, I spend a fair amount of time designing and executing evaluations. I know that it's complex. It's very easy to design a study wrong. It's not as simple as you're making it out to be.

Instead of pasting the same tired posts over and over, read the Denmark study paper at https://annals.org/aim/fullart.....tudy. I have only read it casually. I have not studied it. But even from my quick reading, I can see that designing the study was not simple. It is clear from the first few pages that they had done a previous study that also showed no correlation between MMR and autism (which was the question that was of interest after the Wakefield study), but that there had been criticisms of the methodology. They worked on fixing these methodological flaws in this study.

This is not something that is trivial to do. If you think it is trivial, write a paper at the level of detail of the linked paper explaining how you would design this study. Post it here. Send it to the CDC and NiH.

It's not that easy to do. I know enough about myself to know that I don't begin to have enough knowledge to design such a study. If you think you're so brilliant that you can design a study without any training in epidemiology and statistics, go ahead. Design the study.

You seem to be implying that the US government has all these statistics and can just pull the numbers out. And that if they aren't sharing the numbers, they must be hiding something about these evil vaccines. But that is a ridiculous accusation. First, we know from the past that when vaccines' adverse effects were discovered, the vaccines were changed -- for example, DPT was changed to DTaP and Tdap; they stopped giving OPV and switched to IPV. Second, if vaccine makers are in it for the money, they would be all too delighted to develop a new vaccine using government research grants, get new patents, and profit from the new sales. They are not doing that. Third, the government has no interest in having more autistic children. Autism isn't a money maker at all for physicians. And it's a great strain on educational budgets. There's a greater need for special ed teachers and ABA practitioners, but they don't make huge amounts of money.

So stop getting all hysterical. If you're serious about learning more, start by learning how to design experiments and studies. There are textbooks on epidemiology. You can start there.

#BestBubby

Sun, Sep 01 2019, 4:23 pm

JoyInTheMorning, people have been asking for Vax vs UnVax study for a long time.
The CDC refuses to do such a study. Two Congressmen proposed a bill to FORCE
CDC to do a Vax vs UnVax Study. But since Pharmaceutical Industry is the biggest
"donor" (briber) of congress, that bill never went anywhere.

There have been small studies showing unvaccinated children have waaaay less autism.
and less allergies, asthma and learning disabilities.

There have been reports that the Amish who don't vaccinate don't have autism.
What was the government response? Have government officials go door to door
pressuring and intimidating the Amish to start vaccinating. The result? There are now
some Amish children with autism - although far less than the general population because even the Amish who vaccinate do far less - often only the mmr.

We have seen this before with smoking. The Tobacco Industry hired Scientists to deny
that smoking causes cancer, to chant that "Correlation does not equal Causation".

The Scientists LIED. Smoking does cause cancer. How do we know?
Smoker vs Non-Smoker Studies.

The same type of study that the CDC refuses to do!

You are a researcher yet you could not answer me why if the autism rate of a very large number of 100% unvaccinated kids (10,000 or more) would be 1:1,000 why that would not be very strong evidence that vaccines cause autism.

Here is more evidence:

An independent investigator looked at the medical records of 3,345 patients of a pediatrician, Dr. Thomas, who recommends much fewer vaccines than CDC, Vaccine Friendly Plan.

Of 715 100% unvaccinated children, only ONE had autism. rate: 1:715
Of the partially vaccinated children, 1:440 had autism

Those vaccinated per CDC schedule: 1:45 have autism

teachkids

Sun, Sep 01 2019, 4:37 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

If you would only know the true danger of vaccines - especially to babies.

In the 1960s and 1970s most kids got vaccinated at age 5 - before starting school.

And the babies were not dying enmass.

And babies were also being kept home until starting school, not sent to daycare at 6 weeks. maybe our insanely short maternity leave should be your next vendetta. That at least there's truth to.

amother

Red

Sun, Sep 01 2019, 4:44 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

USA. The biggest "donor" (briber) of government is the pharmaceutical company.

70% of advertisement on newspapers and tv is pharmaceutical company.

USA government did not close down Religious Exemption in New York.

#BestBubby

Sun, Sep 01 2019, 5:06 pm

amother [ Red ] wrote:

USA government did not close down Religious Exemption in New York.

Pharmaceutical company gives millions to governors and state legislators who take away
non-medical exemptions. You thought Pharmaceutical company donated only to congress?

amother

Red

Sun, Sep 01 2019, 5:09 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

Pharmaceutical company gives millions to governors and state legislators who take away
non-medical exemptions. You thought Pharmaceutical company donated only to congress?

I think you don't make any sense.

You think state governments are running vaccine trials?

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