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amother




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Post  Sun, Sep 08 2019, 4:51 am
We lost two close relatives recently (a father and grandfather), and are due to have a baby boy around purim time (yes, I know the gender early). The relatives names' mean 'peace' and 'garden' respectively. I want to give this boy a meaningful name - I was thinking something to do with 'father', 'peace', and/or 'comfort', but also don't want to ignore that they will be born in a happy time of year. Any ideas? We give two names.
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Kiwi13




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Sep 08 2019, 4:57 am
Avinoam?
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amother




Chartreuse
 

Post  Sun, Sep 08 2019, 5:01 am
Some good ideas here: https://www.imamother.com/foru.....35494

Shalom Simcha
Shalom Binyamin
Moshe Nachum
Asher Shalom
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salt




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Sep 08 2019, 5:04 am
Avshalom - or maybe the connotations from Tanach not positive enough.
Shalom Menachem.
Mordechai Shalom (for Purim).
Menachem Mordechai (nice alliteration).
Simcha Shalom.

Names meaning father:
Avichai.
Aviel.
Yoav.
Avishai.

Names for Purim:
Or.
Simcha.
Sasson.

ps. what name means 'garden'?
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Ruchel




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Sep 08 2019, 8:32 am
Bustanay
Carmela iirc?
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amother




Dodgerblue
 

Post  Sun, Sep 08 2019, 10:42 am
Eden Shalom
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Miri1




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Sep 08 2019, 10:59 am
There are I'm sure many creative ways to do it. For example, you don't need to name the specific noun (eg garden), but something that associates with it ("Alon" for example, is an oak, which is associated with strength and endurance.... just as an example)


Perhaps a good idea to speak to a Rav about how / whether to name after two people at once.
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flower2




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Sep 08 2019, 12:19 pm
Miri1 wrote:
There are I'm sure many creative ways to do it. For example, you don't need to name the specific noun (eg garden), but something that associates with it ("Alon" for example, is an oak, which is associated with strength and endurance.... just as an example)


Perhaps a good idea to speak to a Rav about how / whether to name after two people at once.


And also if ok to name after non Jewish relative?! (Per your thread title)
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agreer




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Sep 08 2019, 3:59 pm
Please don't name your kid Avshalom. Avshalom was a rasha.
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nchr




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Sep 08 2019, 4:44 pm
I think Shlomo also means peace, if that's something you'd be interested in. Maybe do English names that honor the relatives with names like Shalom and Shlomo as Hebrew names ?
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amother




Papaya
 

Post  Sun, Sep 08 2019, 5:13 pm
nchr wrote:
I think Shlomo also means peace, if that's something you'd be interested in. Maybe do English names that honor the relatives with names like Shalom and Shlomo as Hebrew names ?


Shlomo = His peace --Melech she'hashalom shelo
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amother




Pewter
 

Post  Sun, Sep 08 2019, 9:48 pm
flower2 wrote:
And also if ok to name after non Jewish relative?! (Per your thread title)


Why wouldn't you be able to name after a non Jewish relative? Weird... She's giving the kid a Hebrew name not naming him Crhistian or her Grace.
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amother




Lime
 

Post  Sun, Sep 08 2019, 10:28 pm
Mordechai
Ilan tree for garden
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flower2




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Sep 08 2019, 11:29 pm
amother [ Pewter ] wrote:
Why wouldn't you be able to name after a non Jewish relative? Weird... She's giving the kid a Hebrew name not naming him Crhistian or her Grace.


Naming after someone is a connection for the neshama- not something you would want connected w someone not Jewish (not that it even could be as far as I understand...)
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amother




Olive
 

Post  Sun, Sep 08 2019, 11:43 pm
You can always give them a legal name after the non-Jewish relative.
I.e.-Shalom Mordechai Cohen
and make his legal name Paxton Forest Cohen
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amother




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Post  Mon, Sep 09 2019, 5:37 am
OK I am obviously NOT trying to name after a non-Jewish relative the same way as one would after a Jewish person. BUT we have both gone through massive losses and want to represent it somehow. Just because they weren't Jewish doesn't mean they didn't matter to us and we didn't feel the loss.
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imasinger




 
 
 
 

Post  Mon, Sep 09 2019, 5:49 am
You might also take the letters of the English names -- some, or all -- and see if any anagrams with those sounds come to mind.

For instance, if their actual names were Peace and Garden, you might say that Mordechai has the R, D, C, A, and Y (long E) sounds from those names.
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PinkFridge




 
 
 
 

Post  Mon, Sep 09 2019, 7:46 am
flower2 wrote:
And also if ok to name after non Jewish relative?! (Per your thread title)


OP, I hope you've had a mentor all along, you've probably had a lot of questions along the way. And yes, this is one. I would guess that if it's important for you to honor these relatives, maybe you can get away with using a legal name or an initial, something peripheral rather than direct.
OTOH, your rav might surprise you and tell you to name directly. But you will have a lot of menuchas hanefesh if you ask. And thanks to this list, you can tell the rav that certain names really appeal to you; after all, you have the ruach hakodesh within the appropriate halachic parameters.
B'shaa tova!
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amother




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Post  Tue, Sep 10 2019, 3:14 pm
PinkFridge wrote:
OP, I hope you've had a mentor all along, you've probably had a lot of questions along the way. And yes, this is one. I would guess that if it's important for you to honor these relatives, maybe you can get away with using a legal name or an initial, something peripheral rather than direct.
OTOH, your rav might surprise you and tell you to name directly. But you will have a lot of menuchas hanefesh if you ask. And thanks to this list, you can tell the rav that certain names really appeal to you; after all, you have the ruach hakodesh within the appropriate halachic parameters.
B'shaa tova!


If I'm not giving their secular names, how am I naming after them directly anyway? It's just a gesture. And they're good people. Why can't I give a small nod to the good non Jews who I wouldn't be here without?
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Miri1




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Sep 10 2019, 3:22 pm
Questions for the Rabbi aside...
Mordechai is associated with peace , at the end of the Megillah.
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