Whooping cough vaccine failure

amother

Fri, Sep 27 2019, 9:00 am

I just came across this study from America’s respected medical Journal.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....3754/

Quote from conclusion:
“Because of linked-epitope suppression, all children who were primed by DTaP vaccines will be more susceptible to pertussis throughout their lifetimes, and there is no easy way to decrease this increased lifetime susceptibility. “

What does this mean for me and my children?!

amother

Blonde

Fri, Sep 27 2019, 9:09 am

It means that you are reading the abstract and not doing your full research. See below from an interview with Dr. Cherry, the author of the cited journal --

https://vaxopedia.org/2019/03/.....ssis/

JD CHERRY ON THE 112-YEAR ODYSSEY OF PERTUSSIS AND PERTUSSIS VACCINES-MISTAKES MADE AND IMPLICATIONS FOR THE FUTURE
What the above quote that anti-vaccine folks are misusing is actually saying is that kids who got DTaP vaccines will be more susceptible to pertussis compared to those who got DTwP, the older version of the vaccine. That’s what the whole article is about!

It is not that they will be more suspecptible to pertussis vs someone who was unvaccinated.

Dr. I: Anti-vax folks are misinterpreting that statement, not understanding that it means relative to kids who got DTwP. They think that you are saying that it is the DTaP vaccine itself that makes it more likely that a child will get pertussis, in general. Even relative to someone who is unvaccinated. I know it shouldn’t be necessary, but can you provide a simple quote to clarify this?

JDC: You are of course correct. I was asked to write-up the talk that I have given many times in the US and in many other countries. In the talk, right at the beginning, I mention that today there is 20 fold less pertussis than there was in the pre-vaccine era and that illness in vaccine failures is much less severe that illness in unvaccinated children. I also remember how wrong they were 30 years ago R/E alleged reactions to DTwP.

And if you read his latest article, The 112-Year Odyssey of Pertussis and Pertussis Vaccines-Mistakes Made and Implications for the Future, especially if you read more than the abstract, you discover that’s what he is saying.

eschaya

Fri, Sep 27 2019, 9:12 am

This abstract notes that, initially, children were given the DTwP vaccine which included whole-cell pertussis. This vaccine is somewhat more effective than the DTaP vaccine that children are given today (because it had many more antigens than today's vaccine).
The reason we use the DTaP vaccine today instead of the DTwP vaccine is because of reports of alleged reactions to the vaccine.

That's what it says.
What does this mean for you and your children? Probably nothing. On a national scale, it means that there is a greater possibility of pertussis outbreaks now that we use the DTaP than during the years when we used the DTwP. But the likelihood of getting pertussis is still considerably improved than in the pre-vaccine era.

amother

Tangerine

Fri, Sep 27 2019, 9:21 am

amother [ Gold ] wrote:

So TDwP was effective but unsafe and DTaP is safe(r?) yet largely ineffective. Why is it still mandated?

It is largely effective, even though for some it isn’t. When my child caught it, thankfully the rest of our family didn’t. And it’s not because it would be dangerous for us. But it could be dangerous for others.

eschaya

Fri, Sep 27 2019, 9:25 am

amother [ Gold ] wrote:

So TDwP was unsafe and DTaP is ineffective. Why is it still mandated?

NO. You are misreading and misrepresenting.

The DTwP was safe and vastly decreased the likelihood of getting pertussis. But there were reports of "alleged reactions (encephalopathy and death)"
From the WHO "More recent studies do not confirm an association between DTwP and acute encephalopathy. A population-based case-control study has evaluated the association between serious acute neurological illness and receipt of whole-cell pertussis vaccine, given as diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTwP) vaccine. The estimated odds ratio for children with encephalopathy or complicated seizures was 3.6 (95% CI, 0.8 to 15.2). The study concluded that there was no statistically significant increased risk of serious acute neurological illness in the 7 days after DTwP vaccine exposure (Gale et al., 1994).
A retrospective case-control study performed at four health maintenance organizations by examining children aged 0 to 6 years who were hospitalized with encephalopathy or related conditions determined that cases were no more likely than controls to have received a DTwP vaccine during the 90 days before disease onset. When encephalopathy of known etiology
was excluded, the odds ratio for case children having received DTP within 7 days before onset of disease was 1.22 (95% CI, 0.45-3.31, P = 0.693) compared with control children. The study concluded that DTwP vaccination was not associated with an increased risk of encephalopathy (Ray et al., 2006).

So maybe, because of hype and drama and fear and scare-tactics from anti-vaxxers in the 1980s drove the transition to the DTaP. Which may be LESS EFFECTIVE, but it is still quite effective, resulting in 20 times less incidence of disease and lower disease severity than if we didn't vaccinate at all.

Reading comprehension and honesty, please

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#BestBubby

Fri, Sep 27 2019, 11:51 am

amother [ Pearl ] wrote:

When people without the necessary background to understand a medical study attempt to independently do so, they almost always make significant errors.

Don't try to THINK FOR YOURSELVES, Peasants!

We, the Government and Your Masters, will "interpret" what the studies mean.

This is why Government is deliberately dumbing down the population, deliberately causing reading and math abilities to go down.

Ema of 5

Fri, Sep 27 2019, 12:17 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

What? My pediatrician, who is the one I turn to to help me understand things like this, is not the government. How is government dumbing down the population? Also, what government? US? Canada? Israel? Brazil? England? France? There are many different governments around the world. Are you suggesting that all of the governments of the entire world (from local all the way up to national) are working together to dumb down the entire world? Or are you referring to one government in particular?

southernbubby

Fri, Sep 27 2019, 12:37 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

A teenager named Ethan Lindenstein had never been vaccinated by his anti-vax mother and his research led him to a different conclusion then that of his mom. On the day he turned 18, he went to a doctor for his first set of vaccines which he posted on social media. This made the news and he ended up testifying in the Senate about the influence that the anti-vaxers had on his mother.
Of course he got lots of hate mail and I think even death threats from those wonderful proponents of choice.

#BestBubby

Fri, Sep 27 2019, 12:51 pm

amother [ Mint ] wrote:

How is Government doing that?

By getting rid of phonics and replacing it with "whole word".

By replacing traditional math with a "new math" every few years.

In 1960s American Students were the BEST in the world. Now we are waay down.
And American Reading Scores and Math Scores DECLINED when the FEDERAL (Democrat) Government started funding education. NOT a co-incidence.

Purpose of government (public) schools is not Education. but Indoctrination to
Vote for Socialism (Democrats) believe the Climate Change Hoax (more Socialism),
anti-religion (LGBQT indoctrination) etc.

#BestBubby

Fri, Sep 27 2019, 12:56 pm

Ema of 4 wrote:

If your pediatrician doesn't support vaccines, s/he will lose his/her license. So pediatrician's are not FREE to give their honest opinion.

Since Federal Government (Democrats) started funding - and CONTROLLING - education, scores in reading and math are WAAAAAY Down. Phonics that taught reading is replaced with Whole Word which creates functional illiterates.

Traditional Math is replaced with a "new" math every few years.

And Government Officials around the world take BILLIONS $$$ from Pharmaceutical Industry - most powerful industry in the world.

70% of ads in News Media is from Pharmaceutical Industry, so they control the news as well.

amother

Navy

Fri, Sep 27 2019, 12:58 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

I’m no Democrat, but conspiracy theories make me Rolling Eyes

amother

Mint

Fri, Sep 27 2019, 1:06 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

I do presently see a lot of Indoctrination.