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amother




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Post  Fri, Sep 27 2019, 6:03 pm
Kenya: Thousands infertile after govt-sponsored vaccination - Odinga
http://apanews.net/en/pays/ken.....dinga
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amother




White
 

Post  Fri, Sep 27 2019, 6:11 pm
Sad for people in corrupt countries. BH we have the opportunity to live in America.
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amother




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Post  Thu, Oct 10 2019, 2:51 pm
The holy CDC has a history of ordering documents to be shredded. This is in connection to a bidding for funding, but not unsimilar to what the whistleblower William Thompson has said about the MMR and autism study.
https://www.centralmaine.com/2....._ag_/

https://bangordailynews.com/20.....ents/
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amother




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Post  Mon, Dec 02 2019, 10:19 pm
Why do we believe what Merck says when since 2000 they have paid over $3 billion in penalties and fines, specifically over $800 million on submitting false documents?

https://violationtracker.goodj.....eQASY
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amother




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Post  Wed, Dec 04 2019, 8:01 pm
British Medical Journal takes on Big Pharma

https://www.smh.com.au/nationa.....yIJns
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eschaya




 
 
 
 

Post  Wed, Dec 04 2019, 8:41 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
British Medical Journal takes on Big Pharma

https://www.smh.com.au/nationa.....yIJns


I'd like to see the actual BMJ sources they are talking about. None is given. The article (not a high level source) states that the bmj is investigating... but gives no link to an article, no title, issue, author, publication date.
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eschaya




 
 
 
 

Post  Wed, Dec 04 2019, 8:42 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
Kenya: Thousands infertile after govt-sponsored vaccination - Odinga
http://apanews.net/en/pays/ken.....dinga


Link doesn't open
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eschaya




 
 
 
 

Post  Wed, Dec 04 2019, 8:44 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
The holy CDC has a history of ordering documents to be shredded. This is in connection to a bidding for funding, but not unsimilar to what the whistleblower William Thompson has said about the MMR and autism study.
https://www.centralmaine.com/2....._ag_/


Article obscured behind a wall. Also, this is a small local morning newspaper. Not necessarily a vetted and high level source...
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eschaya




 
 
 
 

Post  Wed, Dec 04 2019, 8:51 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
Why do we believe what Merck says when since 2000 they have paid over $3 billion in penalties and fines, specifically over $800 million on submitting false documents?

https://violationtracker.goodj.....eQASY


Do you realize that merck manufactures tons of medical treatments such as chemotherapies, asthma meds, antihypertensives, antibiotics, antivirals, and tons more... in addition to vaccines. Vaccines are only a very small part of their revenue. So you have a right to take issues with any company... but you've got to be an equal opportunity basher. I hope you dont use any of their meds and life saving treatments. If you dont trust them for vaccines, you probably shouldn't trust them in anything. After all, they only want to take your money...
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eschaya




 
 
 
 

Post  Wed, Dec 04 2019, 8:54 pm
I will be happy to assess any anti-vax sources and links you find.... but my guess is that you wont be able to find much to substantiate your stance because.... hmmm, it doesnt exist?
How about you keep it to reputable, vetted sources. Reproducible studies. Large scale data.
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amother




OP
 

Post  Thu, Dec 05 2019, 7:47 am
eschaya wrote:
Link doesn't open

Fixed it for you.
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amother




OP
 

Post  Thu, Dec 05 2019, 7:47 am
eschaya wrote:
Article obscured behind a wall. Also, this is a small local morning newspaper. Not necessarily a vetted and high level source...

I added another accessible source.
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amother




Seagreen
 

Post  Thu, Dec 05 2019, 7:52 am
OP, I'm on same page as you. But I dont think u need to bother posting those links. This isn't going to change anyones opinion. I learned to swallow when ppl talk about importance and safety of vaccines. Nothing will change their mind. Hashem should help they shouldn't learn the hard way.
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southernbubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Thu, Dec 05 2019, 8:12 am
Look what's happening in Samoa; thousands infected with measles, 60 people dead, mostly children under 5, and the government is shutting down so that everyone can get vaccinated. The problem started with some careless nurses who mixed vaccine powder with expired anesthetic instead of water and killed two babies. The vaccine rate plummeted to 31% and the nurses went to jail. The mothers whose babies died are urging everyone on the island to vaccinate.
Obviously the measles is not helpful to the people of Samoa so anti-vaxers who tout the wonders catching the measles are not going to convince the Samoans.
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amother




Seagreen
 

Post  Thu, Dec 05 2019, 8:23 am
southernbubby wrote:
Look what's happening in Samoa; thousands infected with measles, 60 people dead, mostly children under 5, and the government is shutting down so that everyone can get vaccinated. The problem started with some careless nurses who mixed vaccine powder with expired anesthetic instead of water and killed two babies. The vaccine rate plummeted to 31% and the nurses went to jail. The mothers whose babies died are urging everyone on the island to vaccinate.
Obviously the measles is not helpful to the people of Samoa so anti-vaxers who tout the wonders catching the measles are not going to convince the Samoans.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/a.....fb301
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amother




Lime
 

Post  Thu, Dec 05 2019, 9:33 am
amother [ Seagreen ] wrote:
OP, I'm on same page as you. But I dont think u need to bother posting those links. This isn't going to change anyones opinion. I learned to swallow when ppl talk about importance and safety of vaccines. Nothing will change their mind. Hashem should help they shouldn't learn the hard way.

And hashem should help that you shouldn't learn the hard way. While you're at it kindly move your family to a remote island far away from civilization. Thanks .
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gamzehyaavor




 
 
 
 

Post  Thu, Dec 05 2019, 9:44 am
eschaya wrote:
Do you realize that merck manufactures tons of medical treatments such as chemotherapies, asthma meds, antihypertensives, antibiotics, antivirals, and tons more... in addition to vaccines. Vaccines are only a very small part of their revenue. So you have a right to take issues with any company... but you've got to be an equal opportunity basher. I hope you dont use any of their meds and life saving treatments. If you dont trust them for vaccines, you probably shouldn't trust them in anything. After all, they only want to take your money...

This!!! 10000 times!!!!!
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flowerpower




 
 
 
 

Post  Thu, Dec 05 2019, 9:46 am
Op- please don’t come here with an agenda!!!! We don’t appreciate it. Thanks!
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southernbubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Thu, Dec 05 2019, 9:50 am
amother [ Seagreen ] wrote:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rnz.co.nz/article/ebae2c20-b254-40d6-b379-1b25537fb301


If you read the whole article, it doesn't look like catching the measles and then treating it with vitamin A is being considered a solution, although some children improved from the vitamin A.
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amother




Coffee
 

Post  Thu, Dec 05 2019, 9:55 am
eschaya wrote:
Do you realize that merck manufactures tons of medical treatments such as chemotherapies, asthma meds, antihypertensives, antibiotics, antivirals, and tons more... in addition to vaccines. Vaccines are only a very small part of their revenue. So you have a right to take issues with any company... but you've got to be an equal opportunity basher. I hope you dont use any of their meds and life saving treatments. If you dont trust them for vaccines, you probably shouldn't trust them in anything. After all, they only want to take your money...
I'm an educated consumer. I don't trust anyone blindly. I am aware that in a capitalist society, *all* manufacturers of *all* products do not produce them because they truly care about my welfare, rather their main motive is to make money. There is nothing technically wrong with that, it's how capitalism works, how innovation is driven, how standards of living rise. Vaccines are no exception. Therefore, as a consumer, I keep all that in mind when buying or using any manufactured product. I make careful decisions about which products I and my family consume. I make careful decisions about which drugs to use when. I go into things with my eyes wide open. I am aware when I take drugs that *all* drugs have side effects, and that the side effects can be a lot more common than they care to admit, and that there may be long term side effects that we don't yet know about. I am careful about drug interactions. I look into non-drug alternatives before resorting to drugs. You better believe that when I decide to use a drug I have my reservations, and feel that it is truly necessary, and that the risk of not taking it outweighs the risk of taking it. As a family, we have used chemo on occasion for a seriously ill member, ditto for abx and antivirals. We have used vaccines too a couple of times. But the heavy mandated childhood vaccine schedule simply doesn't pass scrutiny for most of my children most of the time. Why is that so hard to understand?
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