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groisamomma




 
 
 


Post  Tue, Oct 08 2019, 10:18 am
I totally get that current Democrats won't switch to the dark side and vote for Trump, but what would it take for you to say enough is enough and stop voting Democrat?
If you've already disassociated from the party, what was the straw that broke the camel's back?
Signed,
A proud person that supports morality and Yiddishkeit. Call me a racist bigot.
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roses




 
 
 


Post  Tue, Oct 08 2019, 10:22 am
For me it's always been candidate specific and not about party
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emanresu




 
 
 


Post  Tue, Oct 08 2019, 10:24 am
Abortion.

I'll vote for a Democrat so long as they're pro-life.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 


Post  Tue, Oct 08 2019, 10:25 am
roses wrote:
For me it's always been candidate specific and not about party



Roses, did you not notice that Democrats vote 99% whatever Pelosi orders?

Doesn't matter who the candidate is, if they have a D you know how they will vote.
Democrats don't represent their district - they represent the Democrat Party. Period.
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emanresu




 
 
 


Post  Tue, Oct 08 2019, 10:45 am
#BestBubby wrote:
Roses, did you not notice that Democrats vote 99% whatever Pelosi orders?

Doesn't matter who the candidate is, if they have a D you know how they will vote.
Democrats don't represent their district - they represent the Democrat Party. Period.


Most politicians are like that. Very few represent those who voted for them. is there even one on the national level?
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#BestBubby




 
 
 


Post  Tue, Oct 08 2019, 10:55 am
emanresu wrote:
Most politicians are like that. Very few represent those who voted for them. is there even one on the national level?


Trump is UNIQUE in that he is actually is keeping his campaign promises.

But that is because Trump is NOT a politician - which is why many people wanted Trump. People are sick of voting for politicians who betray them.

Also, Democrats are MUCH more likely to vote in lock-step with their party than Republicans.
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SixOfWands




 
 
 


Post  Tue, Oct 08 2019, 10:58 am
#BestBubby wrote:
Roses, did you not notice that Democrats vote 99% whatever Pelosi orders?

Doesn't matter who the candidate is, if they have a D you know how they will vote.
Democrats don't represent their district - they represent the Democrat Party. Period.


I think that you're confusing the Democrats with the Republicans.
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SixOfWands




 
 
 


Post  Tue, Oct 08 2019, 11:04 am
emanresu wrote:
Abortion.

I'll vote for a Democrat so long as they're pro-life.


Have you ever met a Democrat who is opposed to life?

How do you feel about Republican efforts to cut food stamps, health care, social security and other programs for needy people?

How do you feel about the treatment of immigrant children? Or about the fact that immigrant children as young as 3 have to represent themselves in immigration court?
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groisamomma




 
 
 


Post  Tue, Oct 08 2019, 11:09 am
Can we keep this on topic? Instead of quizzing other people on your own questions, please answer the OP or don't post. Thanks.
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SixOfWands




 
 
 


Post  Tue, Oct 08 2019, 11:09 am
FTR, my red lines are (I) support of Israel (although my notion of support of Israel is very different from right-wing views of support of Israel); (ii) equal rights for ALL Americans; (iii) gun control; (iv) ensuring that we take care of our most vulnerable.

And I vote candidate, not party.
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emanresu




 
 
 


Post  Tue, Oct 08 2019, 11:11 am
SixOfWands wrote:
Have you ever met a Democrat who is opposed to life?

How do you feel about Republican efforts to cut food stamps, health care, social security and other programs for needy people?

How do you feel about the treatment of immigrant children? Or about the fact that immigrant children as young as 3 have to represent themselves in immigration court?

That of unborn children? Yes. A lot of them.

Those other issues are strawmen.
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emanresu




 
 
 


Post  Tue, Oct 08 2019, 11:11 am
groisamomma wrote:
Can we keep this on topic? Instead of quizzing other people on your own questions, please answer the OP or don't post. Thanks.

Agreed
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#BestBubby




 
 
 


Post  Tue, Oct 08 2019, 11:11 am
emanresu wrote:
Abortion.

I'll vote for a Democrat so long as they're pro-life.


Didn't you know that Democrat Party has said that no Democrat Candidate may be Pro-Life???
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groisamomma




 
 
 


Post  Tue, Oct 08 2019, 11:12 am
For those that vote candidate, not party, have you ever voted for an ex-Democrat (for example Joe Lieberman after switching to Conservative) or for a Republican whose values were in line with yours? Just curious.
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groisamomma




 
 
 


Post  Tue, Oct 08 2019, 11:12 am
#BestBubby wrote:
Didn't you know that Democrat Party has said that no Democrat Candidate may be Pro-Life???


Can you stop derailing the thread please? Thanks.
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SixOfWands




 
 
 


Post  Tue, Oct 08 2019, 11:19 am
#BestBubby wrote:
Didn't you know that Democrat Party has said that no Democrat Candidate may be Pro-Life???


Now I know that you just make this stuff up as you go along, and make sure that its as nasty and incendiary as possible. Right before Kol Nidre. Nice.

Google DFLA.

I'm pro-choice, of course, because I'm a Torah-observant Jew, and I know that there are cases in which Jewish women are obligated to have an abortion. I wouldn't want to force them to go through a pregnancy that could endanger their lives or fertility in violation of rabbinic psak and halacha. Shocking to learn that people on an Orthodox site would view denial of the ability to fulfill halacha as something they support so strongly.
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SixOfWands




 
 
 


Post  Tue, Oct 08 2019, 11:19 am
groisamomma wrote:
For those that vote candidate, not party, have you ever voted for an ex-Democrat (for example Joe Lieberman after switching to Conservative) or for a Republican whose values were in line with yours? Just curious.


I've voted for Republicans and for Independents. Of course.
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roses




 
 
 


Post  Tue, Oct 08 2019, 11:23 am
groisamomma wrote:
For those that vote candidate, not party, have you ever voted for an ex-Democrat (for example Joe Lieberman after switching to Conservative) or for a Republican whose values were in line with yours? Just curious.


Yes, I have.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 


Post  Tue, Oct 08 2019, 11:24 am
SixOfWands wrote:
FTR, my red lines are (I) support of Israel (although my notion of support of Israel is very different from right-wing views of support of Israel); (ii) equal rights for ALL Americans; (iii) gun control; (iv) ensuring that we take care of our most vulnerable.

And I vote candidate, not party.


1. 85% of Israelis LOVE Trump. I think ISRAELIS know better what is in Israel's best interests than Democrat AMERICANS.

2. Equal Rights for all Americans really means PERSECUTION of some AMericans (enemies of Democrat Party). Democrats are using LGBQT Agenda to PERSECUTE Religious who refuse to service Homosexual Weddings. Democrats PERSECUTE anyone who calls an illegal alien an alien alien. Democrats PERSECUTE anyone who refuses to call a man a woman. Democrats refuse to allow Non-Democrats to speak on Campus.

These are clearly ANTI-FREEDOM policies - but you are OK with this Persecution???

3. All TYRANTS take away guns from The People. Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, North Korea, Cuba, Turkey, Vietnam, Cambodia.

Do you know any HISTORY, sixofwands? Do you know what happens after guns are seized? Masscres and Holocaust!

4. Socialism eventually fails (runs out of money) leaving the vulnerable in dire poverty. The poorest countries are socialist countries. The illegal immigrants are FLEEING socialist countries. It is capitalist countries that have enough money to take care of the poor.
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roses




 
 
 


Post  Tue, Oct 08 2019, 11:27 am
Had Mitt Romney won the nomination, I would have voted for him. Or pretty much any of the others, except for Ted Cruz. I felt that it was a real shame that Trump barrelled over the reasonable steady Republican candidates.
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