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Sebastian




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Oct 17 2019, 10:18 pm
roses wrote:
I agree with you that his actions and terrible decision making is very scary, especially when lives are at stake, and the consequences of the murder of our allies and the freedom of ISIS fighters doesn't bother him in the least.

To me, though, it's all part and parcel of the same rotten package- and the discovery of the depths of his Ukraine corruption just demonstrates his serious lack of morality and regard for the national interests and safety of the US.


Obama did things that were similar to the Ukraine thing and none of the Dems said boo. Is it dirty? Probably. Is it impeachable? I'm not sure and I don't really care.
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Jeanette




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Oct 17 2019, 10:24 pm
Quote:
Anybody still supporting Trump at this point is going to continue to support Trump. Let it go. Go register voters. Go knock doors. Get everyone else out to vote
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roses




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Oct 17 2019, 10:30 pm
Sebastian wrote:
Obama did things that were similar to the Ukraine thing and none of the Dems said boo. Is it dirty? Probably. Is it impeachable? I'm not sure and I don't really care.


At least you're honest and saying that you don't care if Trump committed impeachable crimes.

And what did Obama do that even remotely resembled anything related to the Ukraine crimes?
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Cheiny




 
 
 


Post  Fri, Oct 18 2019, 12:00 am
roses wrote:
Did you actually watch the video?


Sorry but anyone who isn’t at all bothered by, much less doesn’t even mention, the deep corruption in what Biden and son did, has zero credibility when expressing sudden outrage at anything Trump does....
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marina




 
 
 


Post  Fri, Oct 18 2019, 12:26 am
she didn’t watch the video because she doesn’t care. last week she insisted he didn’t ask Zelensky for a favor. She will support him regardless of what he does or how many innocents he endangers
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miri11211




 
 
 


Post  Fri, Oct 18 2019, 2:08 am
roses wrote:
Mick Mulvaney admitted to a quid pro quo in holding up the Congress approved funding in exchange for Ukraine investigating Democrats for Trump's political gain.

He also admits to a recording of the "phone call" which should be interesting to hear.

Does anyone else find this disturbing?
Or are we going to rationalize and minimize or deny this also?


NOT DISTURBING AT ALL

You keep falling for the media trap.
They intentionally mix up the investigation into the Bidens (which may be political in nature),
with the investigation into what happened in 2016,
which is A LEGITIMATE INVESTIGATION by the DOJ
run by the esteemed John Durham the US Attorney for Connecticut.

And it's very normal practice for the president to ask a foreign leader to help out in the investigation.
Even threatening with withholding aid if they don't cooperate, is also normal & legitimate, (same as Obama / Biden did with Ukraine).
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marina




 
 
 


Post  Fri, Oct 18 2019, 9:03 am
miri11211 wrote:
NOT DISTURBING AT ALL

You keep falling for the media trap.
They intentionally mix up the investigation into the Bidens (which may be political in nature),
with the investigation into what happened in 2016,
which is A LEGITIMATE INVESTIGATION by the DOJ
run by the esteemed John Durham the US Attorney for Connecticut.

And it's very normal practice for the president to ask a foreign leader to help out in the investigation.
Even threatening with withholding aid if they don't cooperate, is also normal & legitimate, (same as Obama / Biden did with Ukraine).


Just because Mommy is a crack wh0re doesn’t mean it’s normal to sell 5ex for drugs. Just because Trump is a two bit conman doesn’t mean it’s normal to be a conman. Just because you repeat a lie over and over doesn’t make it true.
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roses




 
 
 


Post  Fri, Oct 18 2019, 9:06 am
miri11211 wrote:
NOT DISTURBING AT ALL

You keep falling for the media trap.
They intentionally mix up the investigation into the Bidens (which may be political in nature),
with the investigation into what happened in 2016,
which is A LEGITIMATE INVESTIGATION by the DOJ
run by the esteemed John Durham the US Attorney for Connecticut.

And it's very normal practice for the president to ask a foreign leader to help out in the investigation.
Even threatening with withholding aid if they don't cooperate, is also normal & legitimate, (same as Obama / Biden did with Ukraine).


Ok, so you're going with the rationalizing, minimizing, and normalizing.

How far our country has sunk.
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PinkFridge




 
 
 


Post  Fri, Oct 18 2019, 9:16 am
For anyone who wants to listen, Hugh Hewitt played the whole Mulvaney thing in his last hour this morning and insists that there's no quid pro quo. I didn't listen carefully enough to tell you one way or another, and frankly, there are times I think HH is a shill. But I'm just throwing that out there.
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Fox




 
 
 


Post  Fri, Oct 18 2019, 1:46 pm
This is hilarious!

Mulvaney perceived a quid pro quo, but he also remarked that it is extremely common and has been a part of foreign relations as long as anyone can remember -- that aid is often delayed to motivate foreign powers to investigate crimes or similar matters.

And here is the best part:

Mulvaney specifically said that the matter Ukraine was being pressed to investigate was meddling in the 2016 election, including reports that Ukrainian nationals had participated in disappearing the DNC server. Absolutely nothing about the Bidens or other potential candidates.

A few months ago, many of you were flouncing about, saying things like, "Well, if you don't think it's a big deal for foreign governments to interfere in U.S. elections . . . "

Now, though, you're just appalled at the thought of a U.S. President saying, "Hey, we help you out financially and militarily. You need to step up to the plate and figure out what happened here and make sure it doesn't happen in 2020."

So by my calculation, we have a bunch of people who didn't perceive a quid pro quo, and the one guy who did says it only concerned a crime that many of you were railing against a few months ago. Big stuff, indeed! Rolling Eyes
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miri11211




 
 
 


Post  Fri, Oct 18 2019, 5:12 pm
roses wrote:
Ok, so you're going with the rationalizing, minimizing, and normalizing.

How far our country has sunk.



The country has not sunk.
The attack words from people like you, have sunk to a new low, out of hatred for the President.
It's called Trump Derangement Syndrome.

What do you mean by "rationalizing, minimizing, and normalizing"?
It's the normal thing to do.
It's been done dozens of times in this country.
See for example the letter sent by 3 Dem Senators, Menendaz, Lehay, & Durbin, to Ukrainian president.
They wrote: We help you out financially, we are helping build up your country, so you better help us with the Mueller investigation against President Trump.

I don't know which country you live in.
But in the USA, every president has asked foreign leaders to help out with DOJ investigations.
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wiki




 
 
 


Post  Fri, Oct 18 2019, 5:56 pm
Countries DO exert pressure on other countries all the time, TO ADVANCE NATIONAL INTERESTS. They do NOT exert pressure on allies to advance their own reelection and harm their political opponents. That's called abuse of power. When you cut out your own State Department and your own diplomats, and tell the Ukrainians that they won't even get a meeting with you unless they make a press release that names Hunter Biden's company by name, this is about political winning, at the expense of our allies.

For people who think what Trump did was okay, would you also be okay with Chris Christie's staff closing down the George Washington Bridge to punish a political rival? It's the same abuse of government power for personal ends.
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wiki




 
 
 


Post  Fri, Oct 18 2019, 6:01 pm
But for Cheiny and other people who admit that they don't want to follow the details of the story here, please don't attack the people who have reached an informed opinion. You're allowed to hate Democrats all you want. But it's wrong to say that they have the facts wrong if you refuse to learn what the facts are in this case. Listen to Mulvaney's words; read the Trump/Zelensky call summary; read the Volker texts; read Gordon Sondland's opening statement.

Maybe the media does sometimes make things up. The things that it makes up are not usually as popular with the public as this issue is. This impeachment issue is based on a pervasive program of the Trump administration undercutting real foreign policy for a "Trump First" foreign policy. It's abusive of power.

And it leads to Trump selling out allies like the Kurds, laughing off ethnic cleansing, negotiating stupid cease-fires that don't hold, and allowing hundreds of ISIS prisoners to go free, when Erdogan or other dictators who line his pockets tell him that he should. (The Ukraine madness might very well come from the same urging from Putin. He can also become a puppet for the Saudis.)

It's really scary.
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wiki




 
 
 


Post  Fri, Oct 18 2019, 6:04 pm
In what way was Biden's firing of Shokin beneficial to Hunter Biden? Find any source other than a very bitter Shokin after the fact that suggests that this firing benefited him personally? Because it did not benefit Joe or Hunter Biden personally.
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Fox




 
 
 


Post  Sat, Oct 19 2019, 9:34 pm
wiki wrote:
Countries DO exert pressure on other countries all the time, TO ADVANCE NATIONAL INTERESTS. They do NOT exert pressure on allies to advance their own reelection and harm their political opponents. That's called abuse of power. When you cut out your own State Department and your own diplomats, and tell the Ukrainians that they won't even get a meeting with you unless they make a press release that names Hunter Biden's company by name, this is about political winning, at the expense of our allies.

I can find no reference to a press release; could you source that, please.
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So . . . does this mean that we should no longer consider foreign meddling in U.S. elections to be problematic?

Or . . . does this mean that anyone running for office and his/her relatives are automatically immune from corruption probes?

Or maybe . . . the Democrats seized on this as a way to simultaneously score a hit against the President while disabling Biden's campaign. While Biden was previously polling as the front-runner, the Democrats know he can't win a general election. If I were a Democratic strategist, getting Biden out of the way would be the first order of business.
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Fox




 
 
 


Post  Sat, Oct 19 2019, 9:39 pm
wiki wrote:
And it leads to Trump selling out allies like the Kurds, laughing off ethnic cleansing, negotiating stupid cease-fires that don't hold, and allowing hundreds of ISIS prisoners to go free, when Erdogan or other dictators who line his pockets tell him that he should. (The Ukraine madness might very well come from the same urging from Putin. He can also become a puppet for the Saudis.)

It's really scary.

Not as scary as people who lump all Kurds into one category; ignore NATO when it suits them; and dumb down the entire situation to a good guys versus bad guys narrative.
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miri11211




 
 
 


Post  Sun, Oct 20 2019, 3:34 am
wiki wrote:
When you cut out your own State Department and your own diplomats,


Which state department are u talking about? The one with all the rats inside?
38 State department employees were cited for violations in Clinton email probe:
https://apnews.com/14b14afc5d8.....5c28d

Remember, we're talking about investigate the FBI & State Departments actions starting the Russian scandal,
which is being conducted now by US Attorney for Connecticut John Durham.

So the have to go outside the usual channels, to find out if the FBI or State department violated any laws.
You can't ask the cat to guard the milk.
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miri11211




 
 
 


Post  Sun, Oct 20 2019, 2:18 pm
Additional point.

There have always been private citizens carrying out important diplomatic missions for the USA.
See for example: Sidney Blumenthal, Bill Richardson, etc. etc. etc.

So let's not make it wrong only when Trump does it.
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marina




 
 
 


Post  Sun, Oct 20 2019, 2:42 pm
miri11211 wrote:
Which state department are u talking about? The one with all the rats inside?
38 State department employees were cited for violations in Clinton email probe:
https://apnews.com/14b14afc5d8.....5c28d

Remember, we're talking about investigate the FBI & State Departments actions starting the Russian scandal,
which is being conducted now by US Attorney for Connecticut John Durham.

So the have to go outside the usual channels, to find out if the FBI or State department violated any laws.
You can't ask the cat to guard the milk.


Yeah you’re right. The FBI, the DOJ and the state department are all corrupt. The only government official whom we can count on to root out corruption personally is Donald J Trump. Who is our country’s anti corruption hero!

And it’s a total coincidence that our anti corruption hero started his corruption investigations with looking into his political rival’s son instead of, mmm, literally any other allegations. Like I dk maybe Saudi Arabia and the murdered journalist. Just a weird coincidence that the slimy democrats are blowing out of proportion the way they always do.
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miri11211




 
 
 


Post  Wed, Oct 23 2019, 4:20 am
marina wrote:
Yeah you’re right. The FBI, the DOJ and the state department are all corrupt. The only government official whom we can count on to root out corruption personally is Donald J Trump. Who is our country’s anti corruption hero!

And it’s a total coincidence that our anti corruption hero started his corruption investigations with looking into his political rival’s son instead of, mmm, literally any other allegations. Like I dk maybe Saudi Arabia and the murdered journalist. Just a weird coincidence that the slimy democrats are blowing out of proportion the way they always do.


A cleaning broom doesn't have to look pretty.

Sometimes you need a person like Trump to root out corruption.
You can't rely on the nice people.

And yes, I remember very well, not too long ago when the Dems were badmouthing the FBI CIA etc.
All of a sudden, it became holy entities.
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