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Tue, Nov 12 2019, 1:52 pm
I still don't think it's ok to be done like that. Unless the fish is plated ready to eat like with a skewer and so on and so is the meat.
I think people are not careful enough and are also not realizing that they didn't use a separate fork or didn't eat something or drink something in between.
It's a sakanah, not so much a kosher problem.
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Ruchel


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Tue, Nov 12 2019, 2:09 pm
Not everyone separates as fully as imamother.
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tichellady


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Tue, Nov 12 2019, 2:24 pm
Not everyone holds that it’s an issue and if you do think it’s an issue you can just use a different fork and plate. I don’t see what the problem is.
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cbsp


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Tue, Nov 12 2019, 2:26 pm
tichellady wrote: | Not everyone holds that it’s an issue and if you do think it’s an issue you can just use a different fork and plate. I don’t see what the problem is. |
Source? I'm genuinely curious...
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cbsp


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Tue, Nov 12 2019, 2:47 pm
amother [ Royalblue ] wrote: | Tichellady, it's not a halacha issue, it's more of a food safety thing. |
But it falls under the category of not allowed due to "v'nishmartem"
I'm curious which Rabbinic authority holds any other way (meaning, legit halachic source. Not "I decided it's superstition")
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Tue, Nov 12 2019, 2:51 pm
I've always kept them separated, and everywhere I've been there has been a clear separation. I've never even seen meat and fish served at the same kiddush. Plated meals for a simcha, but that's it.
I was taught that when I clear the table, I take off every single thing that might have touched the fish, and to serve a drink of some sort, before bringing out the meat. Everyone I've been to for Shabbos meals does it the same way.
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goodmorning


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Tue, Nov 12 2019, 2:52 pm
The Magen Avraham suggests that it may no longer be dangerous in our days and our lands. On OC 173: ואפשר דבזמן הזה אין סכנה כ"כ דחזינן כמה דברים המוזכרים בגמ' שהם סכנה לרוח רעה ושאר דברים והאידנא אינו מזיק דנשתנו הטבעיות וגם הכל לפי טבע הארצות ועבי"ד סי' שט"ז ס"ג ובא"ע סימן קנ"ו וכ"כ הב"ח בשם הרמב"ם:
The Mishna Berura and Aruch HaShulchan both quote these words of the Magen Avraham.
Those are pretty legit halachic sources.
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cbsp


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Tue, Nov 12 2019, 3:03 pm
goodmorning wrote: | The Magen Avraham suggests that it may no longer be dangerous in our days and our lands. On OC 173: ואפשר דבזמן הזה אין סכנה כ"כ דחזינן כמה דברים המוזכרים בגמ' שהם סכנה לרוח רעה ושאר דברים והאידנא אינו מזיק דנשתנו הטבעיות וגם הכל לפי טבע הארצות ועבי"ד סי' שט"ז ס"ג ובא"ע סימן קנ"ו וכ"כ הב"ח בשם הרמב"ם:
The Mishna Berura and Aruch HaShulchan both quote these words of the Magen Avraham.
Those are pretty legit halachic sources. |
They quote him, but do they pasken that way?
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SixOfWands


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Tue, Nov 12 2019, 3:05 pm
I see it all the time at weddings and bnai mitzvot. There's inevitably a sushi station wedged in there between carving stations and little hot dogs.
You're just supposed to know to keep them separate, I guess. Although I really appreciate it when any fish is on little plates.
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Ruchel


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Tue, Nov 12 2019, 3:33 pm
I've seen at the same table, charedi shul and caterer
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goodmorning


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Tue, Nov 12 2019, 3:53 pm
cbsp wrote: | They quote him, but do they pasken that way? |
They quote without arguing.
(Not that the Magen Avraham is not a legit source on his own. Though I personally follow the opinions that we still do not mix the two, as do most people whom I know.)
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