IG Horowitz will testify December 11!

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Post  Mon, Nov 18 2019, 6:07 pm
This should be very interesting! We will soon hear about the corruption and criminality on the dem side concerning the fisa abuse which was responsible for starting the witch hunts against an innocent president. Hopefully heads will roll, starting with Comey, Strzok, Paige, James Clapper, John Brennan, Weissman, and hopefully all the way up to Hilary and Obama.

It’ll be nice to finally see the shoe on the other foot, only this time, now that the targets are corrupt dems, it will be legitimate and not a hoax.
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Post  Wed, Dec 11 2019, 5:41 pm
Time to bump this up.

The IG report isn't just bad for the FBI, it's horrendous. Not only was the FBI caught falsifying documents, they were caught withholding evidence from their own lawyers in order to manipulate the FISA court.

In short, the FBI used the Steele Dossier as the entire basis for opening the investigation into Carter Page and the Trump campaign. They "illegally surveilled" Americans who were under no suspicion in interactions with other Americans who were under no suspicion. They withheld info from the Trump campaign during so-called "defensive briefings" in order to further their surveillance.

As even the NYT is starting to point out, this goes beyond meddling by a government agency in the 2016 election; it calls into question what other "illegal surveillance" is accomplished against Americans by distorting the evidence used to get FISA warrants.

Senator Graham Questions IG Horowitz


"Pretty bad"

Sen. Cruz Questions IG Horowitz

"Doesn't Vindicate Anyone Who Touched This"

So, in short, the entire Mueller investigation was based on a lie -- and the FBI knew it by January 2017.
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Post  Wed, Dec 11 2019, 7:10 pm
My favorite part was Blumenthal,a Democrat from CT trying to make this not sound so bad..

Blumenthal: FISA warrants are renewed because they are producing useful information, correct?

Horowitz: Or they should be producing useful information

Blumenthal: They were producing useful information, correct?

Horowitz: I'm not sure that's entirely correct
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Post  Wed, Dec 11 2019, 7:11 pm
This creates distrust for the FBI and should make us all nervous about who and what the FBI is spying on. You never know what they are collecting about you.0
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Post  Thu, Dec 12 2019, 2:36 pm
Isn't it odd?

We had a number of knock-dead-drag-out arguments here on Imamother about Russian collusion and the Mueller report. We were assured by a number of posters that it was obvious that Trump had actively engaged Russia's support to win the election. We were assured that all of this would eventually come out.

The IG report has been the biggest political story of the week (except if you watch CNN or MSNBC). The findings should be concerning to every American, since it shows the degree to which law enforcement at the highest levels was either hopelessly corrupt or incompetent. It should raise questions about whether the cases of other individuals against whom FISA warrants were issued were also the victims of forgery and outright deception by the FBI.

Yet everyone is as quiet as a lamb. While I'm not attempting to call out individuals, I'd be very interested to know whether those of you who vigorously defended the FBI actions and the Mueller report are reconsidering based on what IG Horowitz has discovered.
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Post  Thu, Dec 12 2019, 11:42 pm
Hmmmm. People continue to have strong opinions over on the "Obstruction of Congress" thread, but nary a word on the IG report.

This, ladies, is precisely why some of us don't share your enthusiasm for impeachment. Too many people have cried wolf, and too many journalists have lied repeatedly. And when those lies are revealed, the response is basically, "We're not talking about that now; we're talking about Ukraine!"

I don't accept that. If you're going to assert that the grounds for impeachment and removal from office are unassailable, then explain how you turned out to be so wrong when you told us that there was incontrovertible evidence of collusion with Russia. Explain your claims that the Trump campaign being spied on was just a far-right conspiracy theory.

No need to hurry. I'll wait.
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Post  Thu, Dec 12 2019, 11:59 pm
Fox - surprised?
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Post  Fri, Dec 13 2019, 12:05 am
Really how do you think anyone can evaluate this when they trust Comey and McCabe and they are definitely not being shown to be innocent here.
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Post  Fri, Dec 13 2019, 9:34 am
This report is very frightening. The fbi operative grossly abused their power. Durham's I investigation better end with jail time for the responsible parties.
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