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Mon, Dec 02 2019, 8:46 pm
As someone who is presumably one of the older women who still remember mean things their teachers said/did (actually it was a principal) being referred to here, I'll chime in
Through in all my elementary school years I never heard a single word on a one on one basis from that principal that wasn't either critical or disciplinary. Even today when she is in her 90s I still instinctively avoid her.
Even so
(1) at the time she was very sincerely convinced that her behavior was the best way to deal with a struggling student. She was not being malicious or spiteful
(2)There is no way anyone can judge her today based on when went on then.
Do you know where she spent her upper elementary and early high school years? In ghettos and then in a Nazi concentration camp.
You may not understand these teachers but please don't judge them.
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singleagain


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Mon, Dec 02 2019, 9:28 pm
I wonder how much of it is at all generational/changing times.
Also, hadn't education theory changed?
Just in my 33 years I've seen lots of changes in the world in general. How much more so in the nuances of teaching?
Also, consider the size of classes and stuff... And was there a ton of intervention in class or younger children.
Just do many factors to consider.
Though I agree, teachers especially have to be very careful
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zaq


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Mon, Dec 02 2019, 10:32 pm
I don’t think it was just from being survivors, though there’s no question they had to be exceptionally tough to survive. Not everyone of that generation was a Holocaust survivor, you know, though in a sense nearly everyone was a survivor of hardship of some kind: poverty, persecution, sickness, separation from family, war, exploitation, discrimination
and so on.
The European philosophy of child rearing was different from the American. One wasn’t supposed to show children too much affection and one was NEVER to praise a child in his hearing. If your dc came home with a 98 on an exam, the correct reaction was not “ great job, I’m proud of you” but “why wasn’t it 100?” This was supposed to push the kid to succeed. If you praised him, he’d only get complacent and lazy.
Unless they make a concerted effort to change, people tend to repeat with their children the behaviors they saw growing up. Most people assume the way they were brought up is right and normal unless something major happens to make them believe otherwise.
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amother


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Mon, Dec 02 2019, 10:46 pm
You're all forgetting the reality that some schools, like most of the big ones in my community, employ terrible horrible teachers bc they 1) need a job 2) are all related 3) have been there so long they can't be fired.
I love these beautiful dlkz points (sarcasm). They're correct but sorry, you should not be a teacher.
I can tell you stories of literal verbal abuse. I have such hatred towards my high school. Nobody can ever get fired, ever, so there are 60y+ and even a handful of 80 year Olds working til the day they will die and terrorizing little 9th graders. I'm now an adult so I will refrain from writing what I used to say and believe, actually I won't, that the building burns and the teachers in it so it can start fresh bc that's the only way.
We once had a teacher who was mentally unstable. The principal told us it was because she was the other principal's chessed case. Literal quote. She made our freshman year a living hell and put my smart, school loving friend into a deep depression.
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southernbubby


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Mon, Dec 02 2019, 11:10 pm
As a parent, I was frequently on a warpath at the schools.
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Mon, Dec 02 2019, 11:13 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote: | When I was reading the other thread about being embarrassed, I was flabbergasted to see how many teacher stories were on there. Do teachers not realize that any comment they say can make or break a child? Like how can you accuse a kid of cheating if you do not have 100% PROOF! Or call a kid names or announce marks or anything like that? Just from the other thread alone there are so many older women who still remember mean things their teachers said/did. IMO a person with such an authoritave position has to be beyond careful. Words can literally make or break a vulnerable child. |
I'll never forgot how a high school teacher bullied a heavy girl all year. When I saw her more than two decades later I wanted to scream and let everybody know what garbage she is. It's only by the grace of God that this wonderful girl is still frum today.
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amother


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Tue, Dec 03 2019, 7:51 am
amother [ Firebrick ] wrote: | You're all forgetting the reality that some schools, like most of the big ones in my community, employ terrible horrible teachers bc they 1) need a job 2) are all related 3) have been there so long they can't be fired.
I love these beautiful dlkz points (sarcasm). They're correct but sorry, you should not be a teacher.
I can tell you stories of literal verbal abuse. I have such hatred towards my high school. Nobody can ever get fired, ever, so there are 60y+ and even a handful of 80 year Olds working til the day they will die and terrorizing little 9th graders. I'm now an adult so I will refrain from writing what I used to say and believe, actually I won't, that the building burns and the teachers in it so it can start fresh bc that's the only way.
We once had a teacher who was mentally unstable. The principal told us it was because she was the other principal's chessed case. Literal quote. She made our freshman year a living hell and put my smart, school loving friend into a deep depression. |
So true.
In my alma mater, the principal's wife is the unstable teacher. We've all been waiting for the time when she'll finally leave. The principal knows his wife is unstable, but how can he fire her?
This is one of the issues with nepotism.
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Tue, Dec 03 2019, 11:42 am
zaq wrote: | I don’t think it was just from being survivors, though there’s no question they had to be exceptionally tough to survive. Not everyone of that generation was a Holocaust survivor, you know, though in a sense nearly everyone was a survivor of hardship of some kind: poverty, persecution, sickness, separation from family, war, exploitation, discrimination
and so on.
The European philosophy of child rearing was different from the American. One wasn’t supposed to show children too much affection and one was NEVER to praise a child in his hearing. If your dc came home with a 98 on an exam, the correct reaction was not “ great job, I’m proud of you” but “why wasn’t it 100?” This was supposed to push the kid to succeed. If you praised him, he’d only get complacent and lazy.
Unless they make a concerted effort to change, people tend to repeat with their children the behaviors they saw growing up. Most people assume the way they were brought up is right and normal unless something major happens to make them believe otherwise. | Excellent post
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amother


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Tue, Dec 03 2019, 1:04 pm
My older sister's first grade teacher accused her of lying about doing her h.w., saying that the fact that she doesn't know the material "proves" that she didn't do it. She made my sister stand up in front of the whole classroom with a piece of masking tape over her mouth (ostensibly to teach her not to lie) for the entire morning, including recess time.
This teacher taught in that school for many years, and is lauded as a top teacher, honored by the school, etc...My sister says she was nothing more than an abusive witch. All the girls were terrified of her. Everyone knew it was scary to be in her class.
(I was lucky enough to be in the other class in first grade. I tell you that we all used to daven in pre-1-A to get the other teacher. Everyone knew this truth, except for the blind adults running the school.)
ETA she was not a holocaust survivor. There was actually another teacher in the school who was, and was known to be tough...but not nearly as tough as this woman. The other teacher was just tough on the outside - if you got to know her a certain way, you realized that inside she really cared.
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