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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Dec 17 2019, 1:48 pm
gold21 wrote:
I'm ALL for it.
Bring on the VAX vs ANTI-VAXX study.
Most of us here would SUPPORT further studies on this issue.

I don't think you need to continuously ARGUE that point, as we're on the same page.

Not sure why you're OBSESSING over it.


You still are not answering the question:

WHY does the government REFUSE to do a Vax vs UnVax Study.

Why am I "obsessing" over it? Here's why - Since the government QUADRUPLED the Vaccine Schedule in 1990, we have the SICKEST children in the history of the United States with huge amounts of autism, allergies, asthma, diabetes, epilepsy, adhd, learning disabilities etc.

Question is why AREN'T you obsessing over this? Since you agree that you are
for a Vax vs UnVax Study (after refusing to respond to this question for a long time).
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southernbubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Dec 17 2019, 1:54 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
YOU ARE. Feel free to find such a post - I'll wait.

I NEVER say that vaccines cause xyz. I only point out that after the Vaccine Schedule was QUADRUPLED in 1990, all these diseases began to skyrocket.


At the same time, were other harmful substances launched into the environment? I am willing to accept that vaccines could have been to blame for some autoimmune disorders but couldn't it just be one more piece of a very toxic puzzle?
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Dec 17 2019, 1:55 pm
southernbubby wrote:
So let's do a retrospective study where we take 10K healthy kids who were vaccinated and compare them to 10K sickly kids who were not and see who accepts the study.


See how simple that is???

But the government refuses to that!

Instead the government is forcing all unvaccinated kids to vax so it will
be IMPOSSIBLE to do a vax vs unvax study.

In other words, the govenrment is destroying the smoking gun evidence that
vaccines likely cause a huge amount of diseases!
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southernbubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Dec 17 2019, 1:57 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
See how simple that is???

But the government refuses to that!

Instead the government is forcing all unvaccinated kids to vax so it will
be IMPOSSIBLE to do a vax vs unvax study.

In other words, the govenrment is destroying the smoking gun evidence that
vaccines likely cause a huge amount of diseases!


Did you read my post?

It's very easy to skew the results.
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NurseK




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Dec 17 2019, 1:57 pm
Best Bubby. Here are some vax vs non vax studies (totally independent from the cdc)


Check out this study on atopic and infectious diseases in vax vs non vax kids. no significant difference found except in rates of vaccine preventable diseases.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p.....7555/

Check out this study. I find it notable that out of 25 unvaccinated children, 2 died from measles. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p.....60220

Here asthma was lower in the vaccinated group... (and note how I am not claiming that NOT vaccinating causes asthma, lol) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24461583 . you can also find a meta analysis on this topic https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17974720 . ONLY looked at vax vs unvax..

This is a big one. GB was more common in those who did not receive flu vaccine than those who did https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24524517

I can provide you with many, many more.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Dec 17 2019, 1:58 pm
southernbubby wrote:
At the same time, were other harmful substances launched into the environment? I am willing to accept that vaccines could have been to blame for some autoimmune disorders but couldn't it just be one more piece of a very toxic puzzle?


The most Deadly poison is the one that is INJECTED - much more deadly than
ingested (eaten) or inhaled (in the air).

Vaccines are the ONLY substance that:

1. Thousands of parents have stated their children regressed into autism right after a bad vaccine reaction (seizures) and parents have BEFORE Videos of their normal children.

2. Vaccine inserts list autism as an adverse event on VACCINE INSERTS

3. Vaccine Court admits that vaccines cause brain damage and paid out millions to brain damaged kids (who are diagnosed with autism)

4. There are studies showing that vaccine ingredients cause harm.

Given allt his evidence it makes sense that Vaccines would be the FIRST
thing to be studied. Though other toxins can also contribute.
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gold21




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Dec 17 2019, 1:58 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
You still are not answering the question:

WHY does the government REFUSE to do a Vax vs UnVax Study.

Why am I "obsessing" over it? Here's why - Since the government QUADRUPLED the Vaccine Schedule in 1990, we have the SICKEST children in the history of the United States with huge amounts of autism, allergies, asthma, diabetes, epilepsy, adhd, learning disabilities etc.

Question is why AREN'T you obsessing over this? Since you agree that you are
for a Vax vs UnVax Study (after refusing to respond to this question for a long time).


Not quite.

I didn't respond because someone else responded to that question for me. And because you post so much (misleading) information at once that it's hard to respond to everything at once.

Since I clearly support further vaxx vs anti-vaxx studies, why would I have intentionally avoided that question? I'm not afraid to respond to it.

Oh, wait- is that part of the narrative, that pro vaxxers are against the CDC conducting studies on vaccinations? Well, you're wrong. Cuz I'm very supportive of studies. Sorry that I don't fit the narrative for you. I guess that's why you keep harping on it.


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NurseK




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Dec 17 2019, 1:59 pm
But I tend to think, as Hotpink said, that each study I provide you with will be discounted for whatever (invalid) reason. So maybe I am just wasting my time.
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gold21




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Dec 17 2019, 2:05 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
You still are not answering the question:

WHY does the government REFUSE to do a Vax vs UnVax Study.

Why am I "obsessing" over it? Here's why - Since the government QUADRUPLED the Vaccine Schedule in 1990, we have the SICKEST children in the history of the United States with huge amounts of autism, allergies, asthma, diabetes, epilepsy, adhd, learning disabilities etc.

Question is why AREN'T you obsessing over this? Since you agree that you are
for a Vax vs UnVax Study (after refusing to respond to this question for a long time).


How the heck would I know why the CDC isn't doing more studies on this.

Why doesn't your neighbor eat more spaghetti?

Why doesn't your mother in law get her nails done?

I'm not the CDC. Quit it already.

If you're asking me if I would advocate for more studies, sure! I think it's a great idea.


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amother




Saddlebrown
 

Post  Tue, Dec 17 2019, 2:08 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
See how simple that is???

But the government refuses to that!

Instead the government is forcing all unvaccinated kids to vax so it will
be IMPOSSIBLE to do a vax vs unvax study.

In other words, the govenrment is destroying the smoking gun evidence that
vaccines likely cause a huge amount of diseases!


Impossible as the only children on the planet live in the US.
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amother




Teal
 

Post  Tue, Dec 17 2019, 2:08 pm
"In the future, people will think this is bad" is not an argument. You can't predict the future, and even if you could, future people's opinions don't count more just because they are in the future.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Dec 17 2019, 2:11 pm
southernbubby wrote:
Did you read my post?

It's very easy to skew the results.


Sorry - missed the part of comparing them to sickly kids.

Government can look ONLY at 10k unvaccinated children and see how their
health compares to the general public (who 98% vax)

Do unvaccinated children have:

1:150 NON-Verbal autism

1:25 Epilepsy

1:400 Diabetes

1:10 Allergies

That will answer the question on how much vaccines cause diseases!
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Dec 17 2019, 2:13 pm
amother [ Saddlebrown ] wrote:
Impossible as the only children on the planet live in the US.


You cannot compare how measles effects children in third world countries who
are starving, and living in filfth and germs with no clean running water and no
flush toilets.

Yes - a VALID study should look at AMERICAN children.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Dec 17 2019, 2:34 pm
NurseK wrote:
Best Bubby. Here are some vax vs non vax studies (totally independent from the cdc)


Check out this study on atopic and infectious diseases in vax vs non vax kids. no significant difference found except in rates of vaccine preventable diseases.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p.....7555/

Check out this study. I find it notable that out of 25 unvaccinated children, 2 died from measles. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p.....60220

Here asthma was lower in the vaccinated group... (and note how I am not claiming that NOT vaccinating causes asthma, lol) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24461583 . you can also find a meta analysis on this topic https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17974720 . ONLY looked at vax vs unvax..

This is a big one. GB was more common in those who did not receive flu vaccine than those who did https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24524517

I can provide you with many, many more.


I need to leave for a few hours. Will check out these studies later.
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amother




Sienna
 

Post  Tue, Dec 17 2019, 2:36 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
See how simple that is???

But the government refuses to that!

Instead the government is forcing all unvaccinated kids to vax so it will
be IMPOSSIBLE to do a vax vs unvax study.

In other words, the govenrment is destroying the smoking gun evidence that
vaccines likely cause a huge amount of diseases!


Why should the government do that study? You are welcome to sponsor study a study right away.

And if you think it’s so terrible in America and our government is so corrupt and terrible you can also move elsewhere.
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southernbubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Dec 17 2019, 2:46 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
You cannot compare how measles effects children in third world countries who
are starving, and living in filfth and germs with no clean running water and no
flush toilets.

Yes - a VALID study should look at AMERICAN children.


Vaccines are probably indispensable in those countries but I would think that in America, we could eventually eliminate the routine use of some vaccines in order to focus on the illnesses that are bigger threats. I do agree that vaccine science should be looking at reducing the amount of vaccines that children get but I do view vaccines as life saving for many people.
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gold21




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Dec 17 2019, 2:52 pm
southernbubby wrote:
Vaccines are probably indispensable in those countries but I would think that in America, we could eventually eliminate the routine use of some vaccines in order to focus on the illnesses that are bigger threats. I do agree that vaccine science should be looking at reducing the amount of vaccines that children get but I do view vaccines as life saving for many people.


yeah, I agree
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Dec 17 2019, 2:52 pm
amother [ Sienna ] wrote:
Why should the government do that study? You are welcome to sponsor study a study right away.

And if you think it’s so terrible in America and our government is so corrupt and terrible you can also move elsewhere.


People also have a right to speak out and fight corruption.

Or do you deny that right along with our right not to be injected against our will with
stuff that inserts state can cause death and permanent injury?
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gold21




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Dec 17 2019, 3:19 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
People also have a right to speak out and fight corruption.

Or do you deny that right along with our right not to be injected against our will with
stuff that inserts state can cause death and permanent injury?


Fine, but what of our right not to be exposed to preventable diseases against our will (that can cause death and permanent injury)?

The less people vaccinate, the higher this risk.

Or, is what you're really saying- Let the majority vaccinate- ill just opt out, because, well, I can- thank you guys for the herd immunity!

(On either side, someone has to give up some of their freedom to accommodate the freedom of the other side.)
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amother




Saddlebrown
 

Post  Tue, Dec 17 2019, 4:00 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
You cannot compare how measles effects children in third world countries who
are starving, and living in filfth and germs with no clean running water and no
flush toilets.

Yes - a VALID study should look at AMERICAN children.


You are out of your mind. Do you actually think that only third world countries don’t have mandatory vaccination? Or is it that every place but the US is a third world country?

Are all studies performed outside of the US invalid?

What does the impact of measles have anything to do with the study you desire?
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