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Post  Mon, Jan 13 2020, 4:25 pm
lifesagift wrote:
Whats fmg?


Typo FGM. Female circumcision
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nylon




 
 
 
 

Post  Mon, Jan 13 2020, 5:09 pm
The Conservative Movement still mandates brit milah. I grew up Conservative and it's absolutely still the norm for them.

There are some non-Orthodox Jews who are against the brit. They're vocal but small (they always get mentioned in articles). I don't know why someone needed to single out the Conservative movement when the vast majority of Jews who don't circumcise are unaffiliated and secular.

Jews in the US, regardless of affiliation, still largely circumcise. The stats I have seen show that being against circumcision is more prevalent in Europe, where routine infant circumcision is not done and sometimes actively prohibited, and more non-Orthodox European Jews are not circumcised.

The movement does not have huge political affiliations here in the US. There's been some success in getting medicaid to not pay for it (which as a Jew doesn't bother me. I do it because it's a mitzvah. the medical evidence seems to be equivocal.)

Also, 90% of the time, the really out there activists who have posters about mutilation turn out to be crazy antisemites (I remember the Foreskin Man disaster in San Francisco) and don't get anywhere.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Mon, Jan 13 2020, 8:03 pm
Amarante wrote:
Don’t hold your breath because they don’t exist.

All of this sky is falling paranoia by certain elements is terrible because it creates a boy who cries wolf situation in which real anti Semitic actions are lumped together with this kind of thinking which has no basis in anything but right wing internet lies to drum up their base.

No Politician will be named because none exists and even if one exists, it will prove to be some kind of complete outlier whose political affiliation has nothing to do with the actual Democratic Party.


All Socialist/Marxists persecute religion. Here is evidence of Democrat war on religion

1. Democrats got prayer banned from public school even though Supreme Court ruled that VOLUNTARY non-denominational prayer is constitutional.

2. Democrats got 10 Commandments removed from schools and court-houses.

3. Democrats use LGBQT Agenda to persecute Religious. Right now targeting Christians who refuse to service homosexual weddings but orthodox jewish businesses are also at risk of being shut down. Catholic hospitals who refuse to give referrals for abortion are defunded. Christian adoption agencies who refuse to give children to homosexuals are defunded.

4. Public schools and colleges promote atheism with teaching LGBQT values and evolution. Today most Millennials are SECULAR so Democrat Brainwashing has succeeded.

5. Democrats have taken away religious exemptions for vaccination.

6. Democrats have attempted to regulate bris milah and take over yeshivas.

7. Leftists in European countries have banned shechitah and bans on bris milah were proposed. In UK yeshivas are mandated to teach LGBQT agenda and evolution.

This is very concerning and Agudath Israel takes this war on religion seriously. That is why Orthodox Politicians were told to vote against removing vaccine religious exemption even though they are Pro-Vaccine. If one groups religious rights can be violated then EVERYONE's religious rights can be violated.
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Amarante




 
 
 
 

Post  Mon, Jan 13 2020, 8:09 pm
I wanted to add that this extreme attempt at complete political polarization is really not very helpful to Jews or Israel. Israel has relied on complete bipartisan support since its creation. There has never been any mainstream politician of either party who has not supported Israel and the continued demonizing of a political party for no rational reason is potentially causing what has always been viewed as bipartisan into something partisan which is dangerous.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Mon, Jan 13 2020, 8:21 pm
Amarante wrote:
I wanted to add that this extreme attempt at complete political polarization is really not very helpful to Jews or Israel. Israel has relied on complete bipartisan support since its creation. There has never been any mainstream politician of either party who has not supported Israel and the continued demonizing of a political party for no rational reason is potentially causing what has always been viewed as bipartisan into something partisan which is dangerous.


It is not our fault that Democrat's have become anti-Israel. This has been the trend for decades, starting with Jimmy Carter and has become more virulent and open. Pretending this doesn't exist is not helpful.
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Amarante




 
 
 
 

Post  Mon, Jan 13 2020, 8:28 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
It is not our fault that Democrat's have become anti-Israel. This has been the trend for decades, starting with Jimmy Carter and has become more virulent and open. Pretending this doesn't exist is not helpful.


The Democratic Party is NOT anti-Israel.

Not all policies you don't agree with are anti-Semitic or anti-Israel.

I happen to believe Trump's foreign policy is dangerous for Israel's long term interests as well as other strategic areas where his blunders are causing if not irreparable harm - then harm that will take years to undo.

One can disagree with any policy of the US government (for example) and not be anti-American.

The world isn't the kind of black and white you view things in - it is a subtle complicated place.
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finprof




 
 
 
 

Post  Mon, Jan 13 2020, 8:39 pm
Well, since everyone here seems such huge fans of tangential evidence, I'm a card carrying Democrate and they havn't notified me of this yet, LOL!
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fleetwood




 
 
 
 

Post  Mon, Jan 13 2020, 9:04 pm
finprof wrote:
Well, since everyone here seems such huge fans of tangential evidence, I'm a card carrying Democrate and they havn't notified me of this yet, LOL!

Exactly.. I think o.p.is slightly delusional..with her list of the Democrats evil intentions..

[Please keep away from anything that could be construed as a personal attack. — Mod]
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Mon, Jan 13 2020, 9:31 pm
Amarante wrote:
The Democratic Party is NOT anti-Israel.

Not all policies you don't agree with are anti-Semitic or anti-Israel.

I happen to believe Trump's foreign policy is dangerous for Israel's long term interests as well as other strategic areas where his blunders are causing if not irreparable harm - then harm that will take years to undo.

One can disagree with any policy of the US government (for example) and not be anti-American.

The world isn't the kind of black and white you view things in - it is a subtle complicated place.


95% of Israelis support Trump - and I think Israelis know better which president is good for Israel then Americans.

And most Israelis disliked President Obama and felt he was anti-Israel.

Most Anti-Semites try to cover their anti-semitism by claiming to be
anti-zionist. It was Martin Luther King jr who pointed this out.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Mon, Jan 13 2020, 9:33 pm
finprof wrote:
Well, since everyone here seems such huge fans of tangential evidence, I'm a card carrying Democrate and they havn't notified me of this yet, LOL!


The Democrats notified everyone that they are anti-religion and anti-israel.
Some people are still in denial.
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dancingqueen




 
 
 
 

Post  Mon, Jan 13 2020, 10:27 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
Another thread wrote how on facebook it states that some Orthodox are not doing bris milah. This is part of Democrat's War on Religion. The Media, including Social Media Giants like Facebook are all Democrats and this is anti-bris propoganda with the goal of eventually getting bris milah banned. Already other leftist counties have proposed banning bris milah.


We’ll have to let shabbatiscoming verify but I’m assuming she meant a random poster on a FB group claimed she was orthodox and didn’t give her son a bris. Not that Mark Zuckerberg himself is posting anti-circumcision articles. You might not be that familiar with social media.
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dancingqueen




 
 
 
 

Post  Mon, Jan 13 2020, 10:31 pm
leah233 wrote:
The premise of this assumes child abuse in bris milah. Only someone rabidly anti religion would see more child abuse in bris milah than say removing tonsils or even ear piercing

The founders of the United States were smart enough to realize that people would find all sorts of "for the better good/ to protect the vulnerable" excuses to ban religious practices (as indeed was later done in the Soviet Union) Therefore among other protections they required the criteria of "clear and present danger" to outlaw religious practice for an ostensible altruistic reason.

I always thought those protection would be adequate until Bloomberg wanted to force the signed consent for Metitza B'Peh .The judge sided with him and argued that (1)Metitza B'Peh isn't a religious practice because in theory Bloomberg's regulations would apply to anyone doing Metitza B'Peh even someone not religiously motivated and (2)it isn't a violation of free speech because you have the choice not to do Metitza B'Peh and not be subject to coercive speech.

The issue went to appeals where the three judge panel unanimously ruled that Metitza B'Peh is unquestionably a religious practice and the regulations are also coerced speech.

What remains scary is that most liberals agreed with the initial judge. Based on her logic there is no such a thing as a law regarding religious practice . Any anti religion law could be justified that in theory it would apply to someone doing it for nonreligious reasons. Yet the liberals all accepted that "logic".


AFAIK, there was a public health crisis at the time; several babies died of herpes after receiving metzitza bpeh. There are halachicaly acceptable ways of performing a bris without the mohel putting his mouth on the babies aiver. No one is banning the actual bris here.
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chanatron1000




 
 
 
 

Post  Mon, Jan 13 2020, 10:32 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
The Democrats notified everyone that they are anti-religion and anti-israel.
Some people are still in denial.

Who's "the Democrats"? Democrats aren't a hive mind.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Mon, Jan 13 2020, 10:51 pm
chanatron1000 wrote:
Who's "the Democrats"? Democrats aren't a hive mind.


The Democrat Leadership that sets the agenda/policies. Many rank and file Democrats are also anti-religious and/or anti-israel. Other rank and file democrat members are in denial that the Democrat Leadership is anti-religious and
anti-israel.
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fleetwood




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Jan 14 2020, 6:07 am
#BestBubby wrote:
The Democrats notified everyone that they are anti-religion and anti-israel.
Some people are still in denial.

I'm confused..when did this happen? I don't remember the Democratic party coming out with such a statement..maybe I missed it.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Jan 14 2020, 12:41 pm
fleetwood wrote:
I'm confused..when did this happen? I don't remember the Democratic party coming out with such a statement..maybe I missed it.


1. Two out of the last three Democrat Presidents were very anti-israel:
Jimmy Carter and Obama - who was the MOST anti-israel president ever.

2. Democrat VOTERS are very anti-israel and anti-semitic: Excerpt from NY Post

Democrats to Israel: Go to Hell: Last week, Israel once again faced a barrage of rockets from Gaza while most of the mainstream Democratic candidates whistled and looked away....when Vice President Joe Biden offered even a bland message of support for Israel that would have been unremarkable a few years ago, he got massive pushback from the left on Twitter....Blake Flayton, a self-described “gay abortion-rights advocate and environmentalist,” wrote of the torrent of abuse he gets at his university because he is a “Zionist” — and how campus rallies about fair wages for custodial staff turn into Israel-hate fests....“Palestine will be free, from the river to the sea” ...was chanted at the Democratic Socialists of America’s national convention at the University of Illinois in 2017...If Palestine were “free from the river to the sea,” then there would be no ­Israel..t’s a lie to say Democrats and mainstream liberals are now turning against Israel. That turn happened under the Obama ­administration. Now mainstream Democrats are struggling just to beat back the tide of overt Jew-hatred in their midst.

3. Why Democrats are abandoning Israel - The Washington Post 2017
https://www.washingtonpost.com.....rael/

4. Democrats have an ugly anti-Israel obsession - New York Post

5. Jerrold Nadler blasts 'Squad' members over 'vile' anti-Semitic cartoon -
Washington Times https://www.washingtontimes.co.....hari/

6. Democrats Need to Denounce Louis Farrakhan. But they Aren't. Intpolicydigest.org

7. Anti-Israel, pro-BDS candidates are the future in a radicalized Democratic Party. https://thehill.com/blogs/cong.....-in-a

8. Anti-Semitism Soars on U.S. College Campuses - Free Beacon
College Campuses are very Liberal (Democrat)

9. House Democrats fail to condemn anti-Semitism, don’t rebuke Rep. Ilhan Omar - The Washington Times https://apnews.com/890c970cbbe.....5a5cc

For Proof that Democrats are Anti-Religion (except Islam) see my post above.
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SixOfWands




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Jan 14 2020, 1:24 pm
fleetwood wrote:
I'm confused..when did this happen? I don't remember the Democratic party coming out with such a statement..maybe I missed it.


Democrats also kill cute little puppies and pull little girls' braids. In fact, anything mean and nasty and bad in the world is the result of Democrats.

And if anything arguably good is because of Democrats, its really because of Republicans. Like insurance companies no longer being able to deny coverage due to pre-existing conditions, and the funding of Iron Dome.
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fleetwood




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Jan 14 2020, 1:54 pm
SixOfWands wrote:
Democrats also kill cute little puppies and pull little girls' braids. In fact, anything mean and nasty and bad in the world is the result of Democrats.

And if anything arguably good is because of Democrats, its really because of Republicans. Like insurance companies no longer being able to deny coverage due to pre-existing conditions, and the funding of Iron Dome.

Exactly! Every single Democrat falls under the evil umbrella I guess.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Jan 14 2020, 2:24 pm
fleetwood wrote:
Exactly! Every single Democrat falls under the evil umbrella I guess.


When did anybody ever say "every single democrat is evil"?

Trying to wake up GOOD Democrats that their party has radically CHANGED for the worse!
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Amarante




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Jan 14 2020, 2:38 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
When did anybody ever say "every single democrat is evil"?

Trying to wake up GOOD Democrats that their party has radically CHANGED for the worse!


Do you seriously think that your continued posts containing distortions being spread by extreme right wing sources are actually creating a dialogue in which those who don't agree with you will have a so-called "Come to J*ezzus" moment LOL

Henceforth I renounce all works of Satan like the news articles from the Washington Post and New York Times and agree to read only reputable sources which have been approved by you like Breitbart. Very Happy
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