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amother
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Post Sat, Jan 18 2020, 10:59 pm
We’ve gone the route of evals and haven’t gained much clarity. He has no diagnosis. He’s a curious energetic child with an experiment nature that can push him a bit too far. The school finds it unacceptable & they feel that he does not fear authority. They make sure to single him out for that & let him know about every wrongdoing at every conceivable opportunity...
His misery in school spills over at home & to add to that he has emotional dysregulation. His challenging behaviors are affecting my other children too & everyone has begun to act out. He’s in pain:((( We all are:(( I need to do something FAST and feel so lost.
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amother
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Post Sat, Jan 18 2020, 11:01 pm
Also did anyone hear of Shelly Malka?? A friend forwarded some of her emails and I was intrigued. What is her approach??
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amother
Orchid


 

Post Sat, Jan 18 2020, 11:02 pm
amother [ Jetblack ] wrote:
We’ve gone the route of evals and haven’t gained much clarity. He has no diagnosis. He’s a curious energetic child with an experiment nature that can push him a bit too far. The school finds it unacceptable & they feel that he does not fear authority. They make sure to single him out for that & let him know about every wrongdoing at every conceivable opportunity...
His misery in school spills over at home & to add to that he has emotional dysregulation. His challenging behaviors are affecting my other children too & everyone has begun to act out. He’s in pain:((( We all are:(( I need to do something FAST and feel so lost.

I did self pay therapy for my son- OT and floortime were very helpful. My floortime therapist just did a school visit: feels good to have an ally there!
ETA- floortime can be done even with children with no diagnoses
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amother
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Post Sat, Jan 18 2020, 11:07 pm
I’ve been pushed in so many ways by so many “well meaning” teachers, principals school therapists, aunts, uncles, neighbors, grandparents, ETC telling me the utopian method of how to “correct” my precious child that I literally feel like I lost my instincts and confidence of how to parent this child properly. So sad but true Crying
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amother
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Post Sat, Jan 18 2020, 11:14 pm
I don’t know much about floortime. Can you recommend a good floortime therapist?? I would be willing to travel.
I was really hoping that the right parenting approach will eventually carry over in school. Maybe I’m being unrealistic...??
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Zehava




 
 
    
 

Post Sat, Jan 18 2020, 11:22 pm
amother [ Jetblack ] wrote:
We’ve gone the route of evals and haven’t gained much clarity. He has no diagnosis. He’s a curious energetic child with an experiment nature that can push him a bit too far. The school finds it unacceptable & they feel that he does not fear authority. They make sure to single him out for that & let him know about every wrongdoing at every conceivable opportunity...
His misery in school spills over at home & to add to that he has emotional dysregulation. His challenging behaviors are affecting my other children too & everyone has begun to act out. He’s in pain:((( We all are:(( I need to do something FAST and feel so lost.

Dd has ADHD. Her school has been great about it. She has resource room teachers working with her. They’re using the nurtured heart approach and teaching it to her teachers. Maybe you should reconsider your school choice if possible.
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Zehava




 
 
    
 

Post Sat, Jan 18 2020, 11:24 pm
amother [ Jetblack ] wrote:
We’ve gone the route of evals and haven’t gained much clarity. He has no diagnosis. He’s a curious energetic child with an experiment nature that can push him a bit too far. The school finds it unacceptable & they feel that he does not fear authority. They make sure to single him out for that & let him know about every wrongdoing at every conceivable opportunity...
His misery in school spills over at home & to add to that he has emotional dysregulation. His challenging behaviors are affecting my other children too & everyone has begun to act out. He’s in pain:((( We all are:(( I need to do something FAST and feel so lost.

I’d reconsider my choice of school if I were you
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Zehava




 
 
    
 

Post Sat, Jan 18 2020, 11:26 pm
amother [ Jetblack ] wrote:
I’ve been pushed in so many ways by so many “well meaning” teachers, principals school therapists, aunts, uncles, neighbors, grandparents, ETC telling me the utopian method of how to “correct” my precious child that I literally feel like I lost my instincts and confidence of how to parent this child properly. So sad but true Crying

DO NOT turn your child into a problem case for everyone to analyze.
It’s the absolute worst thing you can do. Stop talking about him to your siblings grandparents and neighbors.
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amother
Jetblack


 

Post Sat, Jan 18 2020, 11:27 pm
Zehava wrote:
Dd has ADHD. Her school has been great about it. She has resource room teachers working with her. They’re using the nurtured heart approach and teaching it to her teachers. Maybe you should reconsider your school choice if possible.


That’s one of the books I read over Shabbos thanks to this post!!
I find yeshivas not to be so intuitive as girls schools.
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amother
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Post Sat, Jan 18 2020, 11:31 pm
Zehava wrote:
DO NOT turn your child into a problem case for everyone to analyze.
It’s the absolute worst thing you can do. Stop talking about him to your siblings grandparents and neighbors.


Trust me I DO NOT talk about him ever and play everything down if THEY initiate a conversation with their wonderful (TERRIBLE!) advice based on what they see. He’s a VERY different breed than what they are used to.
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Zehava




 
 
    
 

Post Sat, Jan 18 2020, 11:34 pm
amother [ Jetblack ] wrote:
Trust me I DO NOT talk about him ever and play everything down if THEY initiate a conversation with their wonderful (TERRIBLE!) advice based on what they see. He’s a VERY different breed than what they are used to.

I hear you
I’d love to hear more examples of what he’s doing that’s so terrible. So far it seemed like regular childhood behavior at least from what I’m experiencing with my kids.
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amother
Jetblack


 

Post Sun, Jan 19 2020, 12:19 am
He never asks permission before doing.things or before taking things... (like using his fathers drill.)
This happens in other people’s homes and in school too where he’s just doing things without permission. He Is constantly climbing onto the counters despite the fact that there’s a rule not to! I would look away but I have 5 yr old & a toddler that will follow suit..
He Can’t accept a ‘no’ without having a meltdown..
He doesn’t comply to rules or authority as stated before & constantly testing his limits.
Ignores me many times when I call him or ask him to stop doing something. (Claims he didn’t hear but ruled it out medically)
Many times if he’s upset he will instigate his younger siblings. Either he hurts them or tells/helps them to do a trouble.
He uses age inappropriate language that No one ever says here!! Would deem it appropriate for my 2 yr old to say..
I find these behaviors quite troublesome. .
The rest of my kids are intense but not to this extreme. These days tho we’ve been walking around on eggshells. Things have gone a little awry in this household and I need to follow a method so I can be consistent in my approach
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Zehava




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Jan 19 2020, 12:41 am
amother [ Jetblack ] wrote:
He never asks permission before doing.things or before taking things... (like using his fathers drill.)
This happens in other people’s homes and in school too where he’s just doing things without permission. He Is constantly climbing onto the counters despite the fact that there’s a rule not to! I would look away but I have 5 yr old & a toddler that will follow suit..
He Can’t accept a ‘no’ without having a meltdown..
He doesn’t comply to rules or authority as stated before & constantly testing his limits.
Ignores me many times when I call him or ask him to stop doing something. (Claims he didn’t hear but ruled it out medically)
Many times if he’s upset he will instigate his younger siblings. Either he hurts them or tells/helps them to do a trouble.
He uses age inappropriate language that No one ever says here!! Would deem it appropriate for my 2 yr old to say..
I find these behaviors quite troublesome. .
The rest of my kids are intense but not to this extreme. These days tho we’ve been walking around on eggshells. Things have gone a little awry in this household and I need to follow a method so I can be consistent in my approach

I hear you. Some of these my kids do as well and I just take them as par for the course. Others not so much.
But then again he seems to me to be locked in an ongoing power struggle. Which is not a great place for both you and him to be in. When in a power struggle a child will do virtually anything to “win”.
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amother
Fuchsia


 

Post Sun, Jan 19 2020, 12:46 am
Here’s how I see bestbubbies tantrum story. Let’s say her child had a really hard day at school and when he comes home mom, who’s not practicing any type of intuitive parenting, brings him in sits him down nicely with a snack and turns around to the counter to prepare dinner while thinking about something hurtful her husband said the night before. The child needs his mothers attention, he wants to offload the stress that built up over his day. So he asks mom for a cookie he knows she can’t ignore that, that always gets her attention. Mom deep in her upset about her husbands comment and totally oblivious to her child’s underlying needs shushes him, no cookies before dinner! Well the child still has feelings that need to be dealt with so he pushes on and screams louder and louder essentially screaming ‘mommy, I need you! can’t you see I need you, I had a long hard day at school can I sit on your lap for a few minutes while I process these feelings and then I’ll feel calmer and ready to go about my day!!! But no, mom doesn’t hear that ALL SHE HEARS IS A CHILD SCREAMING FOR A COOKIE. This is not about the cookie this is about the child not having the brain development to say ‘hey mom a few minutes to process my day please’. So instead mom does what is most damaging to the child at the moment and removes herself from the scene and guess what it works the child has learned my mother does not care about how my day went she does not want to sit with me thru my hard feeling ok mom you got it I will not burden you with my feelings I will not tantrum, mission accomplished
Ouch
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amother
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Post Sun, Jan 19 2020, 12:55 am
amother [ Fuchsia ] wrote:
Here’s how I see bestbubbies tantrum story. Let’s say her child had a really hard day at school and when he comes home mom, who’s not practicing any type of intuitive parenting, brings him in sits him down nicely with a snack and turns around to the counter to prepare dinner while thinking about something hurtful her husband said the night before. The child needs his mothers attention, he wants to offload the stress that built up over his day. So he asks mom for a cookie he knows she can’t ignore that, that always gets her attention. Mom deep in her upset about her husbands comment and totally oblivious to her child’s underlying needs shushes him, no cookies before dinner! Well the child still has feelings that need to be dealt with so he pushes on and screams louder and louder essentially screaming ‘mommy, I need you! can’t you see I need you, I had a long hard day at school can I sit on your lap for a few minutes while I process these feelings and then I’ll feel calmer and ready to go about my day!!! But no, mom doesn’t hear that ALL SHE HEARS IS A CHILD SCREAMING FOR A COOKIE. This is not about the cookie this is about the child not having the brain development to say ‘hey mom a few minutes to process my day please’. So instead mom does what is most damaging to the child at the moment and removes herself from the scene and guess what it works the child has learned my mother does not care about how my day went she does not want to sit with me thru my hard feeling ok mom you got it I will not burden you with my feelings I will not tantrum, mission accomplished
Ouch


I didn't read all the back and forth about this story. But I have a very intense almost 2 year old who tantrums at the drop of a hat. He recently had a tantrum over a cookie (I'm usually really good about choosing my battles and I'm working hard to redirect him before the tantrum begins but this time it just didn't work). The sound of screaming makes me crazy but generally I can work through it. The tantrum happened right after he sat on my lap for 10 mins reading books together before which we built a Lego tower so he's not trying to get my attention, he literally just wants that cookie. Would it be better for my blood pressure to steadily rise as I try employing logic and reason with my little guy and end up with a pounding headache and incredible frustration or should I say "Mommy loves you and I understand that you want a cookie but we are not having cookies right now. Mommy is going to fold laundry in her room, here's a sippy cup and when you're ready for a hug, come join"?
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amother
Fuchsia


 

Post Sun, Jan 19 2020, 1:01 am
amother [ Burlywood ] wrote:
I didn't read all the back and forth about this story. But I have a very intense almost 2 year old who tantrums at the drop of a hat. He recently had a tantrum over a cookie (I'm usually really good about choosing my battles and I'm working hard to redirect him before the tantrum begins but this time it just didn't work). The sound of screaming makes me crazy but generally I can work through it. The tantrum happened right after he sat on my lap for 10 mins reading books together before which we built a Lego tower so he's not trying to get my attention, he literally just wants that cookie. Would it be better for my blood pressure to steadily rise as I try employing logic and reason with my little guy and end up with a pounding headache and incredible frustration or should I say "Mommy loves you and I understand that you want a cookie but we are not having cookies right now. Mommy is going to fold laundry in her room, here's a sippy cup and when you're ready for a hug, come join"?

This is a beautiful response and very different from a mother locking herself in the bathroom so she doesn’t have to hear or deal with her child
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amother
Burlywood


 

Post Sun, Jan 19 2020, 1:19 am
amother [ Fuchsia ] wrote:
This is a beautiful response and very different from a mother locking herself in the bathroom so she doesn’t have to hear or deal with her child

Isn't it basically doing the same thing? "I can't hear screaming and I have laundry to do so you do your thing here and I'm going away till you calm down"
The only real difference is how it's presented to the kid, but from the mothers end, it's the same no?
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#BestBubby




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Jan 19 2020, 1:32 am
amother [ Fuchsia ] wrote:
Here’s how I see bestbubbies tantrum story. Let’s say her child had a really hard day at school and when he comes home mom, who’s not practicing any type of intuitive parenting, brings him in sits him down nicely with a snack and turns around to the counter to prepare dinner while thinking about something hurtful her husband said the night before. The child needs his mothers attention, he wants to offload the stress that built up over his day. So he asks mom for a cookie he knows she can’t ignore that, that always gets her attention. Mom deep in her upset about her husbands comment and totally oblivious to her child’s underlying needs shushes him, no cookies before dinner! Well the child still has feelings that need to be dealt with so he pushes on and screams louder and louder essentially screaming ‘mommy, I need you! can’t you see I need you, I had a long hard day at school can I sit on your lap for a few minutes while I process these feelings and then I’ll feel calmer and ready to go about my day!!! But no, mom doesn’t hear that ALL SHE HEARS IS A CHILD SCREAMING FOR A COOKIE. This is not about the cookie this is about the child not having the brain development to say ‘hey mom a few minutes to process my day please’. So instead mom does what is most damaging to the child at the moment and removes herself from the scene and guess what it works the child has learned my mother does not care about how my day went she does not want to sit with me thru my hard feeling ok mom you got it I will not burden you with my feelings I will not tantrum, mission accomplished
Ouch


My child was 3 and not in school. This was his reaction to anytime I said No. And I tried to avoid saying No but would say "you can have more cookies after supper. We are eating very soon."
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#BestBubby




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Jan 19 2020, 1:36 am
amother [ Fuchsia ] wrote:
This is a beautiful response and very different from a mother locking herself in the bathroom so she doesn’t have to hear or deal with her child


I was dealing with my child. I was teaching him that his screaming would not bother me at which point he gave up screaming when I said no. Which all children should learn. 10 year olds should not be screaming and calling their mother's names whenever they are "frustrated".
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Post Sun, Jan 19 2020, 1:38 am
amother [ Burlywood ] wrote:
I didn't read all the back and forth about this story. But I have a very intense almost 2 year old who tantrums at the drop of a hat. He recently had a tantrum over a cookie (I'm usually really good about choosing my battles and I'm working hard to redirect him before the tantrum begins but this time it just didn't work). The sound of screaming makes me crazy but generally I can work through it. The tantrum happened right after he sat on my lap for 10 mins reading books together before which we built a Lego tower so he's not trying to get my attention, he literally just wants that cookie. Would it be better for my blood pressure to steadily rise as I try employing logic and reason with my little guy and end up with a pounding headache and incredible frustration or should I say "Mommy loves you and I understand that you want a cookie but we are not having cookies right now. Mommy is going to fold laundry in her room, here's a sippy cup and when you're ready for a hug, come join"?


I think that's great. If your child wants to scream he can, but you don't have to listen.
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