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sushilover




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Feb 11 2020, 11:45 am
Sometimes I wonder how much easier it would be to subscribe to liberal ideology. Ok I'm joking, but in all seriousness, it's depressing to think about how much control Liberals have over the world.
In a country where about 50 percent of us are on the right,it's scary how much of the media, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, government employees, and education are all left leaning. For heaven's sake, even Wikipedia is biased toward the left! Harvard Business Review

I also worry about how quickly ideas that were considered outrageous just 10, 20 years ago are all mainstream now. Obama's and Clinton's views on same sx marriage just 15 years ago would be disqualifying today. If I would have told someone 10 years ago that virtually every major Democratic candidate opposes any sort of restriction on third trimester abortion- in a country where only 13% of us feel the same way! , they would have laughed me out of the room and said I was fear mongering.

Twenty years ago, who would've imagined that the Overton Window would move so drastically to left that
you will be seen as bigoted if you say there are two genders,
can be sued for not baking a cake,
it is considered a micro aggression to say you are color blind or you just want the best person to get the job, (Yes, really )
a Super Bowl ad with abortion survivors talking about their experiences is considered too extreme to be aired (while the halftime show is A-OK)

What kinds of radical positions will be considered mainstream in twenty years from now that current Liberals would say I am ridiculous for fearing?
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Jeanette




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Feb 11 2020, 11:54 am
You know what's funny? On this site I'm considered a raging liberal extremist for believing:

Presidents should not personally profit off the presidency.

Presidents should disclose their personal business dealings both domestic and overseas that may be a conflict of interest.

Presidents should put the welfare of the country ahead of their personal welfare.

Presidents should not routinely lie to the American people about all matters great and small.

Government agencies exist to serve the public and should fulfill their mandate to ensure public safety, not be subject to the president's whims and tantrums.

Presidents should use respectful language when referring to journalists, elected officials, public employees or private citizens, whether or not he agrees with their policies.

Presidents should not use profanities in their public addresses or communications with the public.

Presidents should not appoint close family members to high government positions, particularly when those family members are unqualified and/or have undisclosed business conflicts.

We should not place children in camps separate from their parents without even keeping track of their identity or whereabouts.

Every citizen should be able to register to vote. Every vote should count. There should be few barriers to ballot access.
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sushilover




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Feb 11 2020, 12:09 pm
Jeanette wrote:
You know what's funny? On this site I'm considered a raging liberal extremist for believing:

Presidents should not personally profit off the presidency.

Presidents should disclose their personal business dealings both domestic and overseas that may be a conflict of interest.

Presidents should put the welfare of the country ahead of their personal welfare.

Presidents should not routinely lie to the American people about all matters great and small.

Government agencies exist to serve the public and should fulfill their mandate to ensure public safety, not be subject to the president's whims and tantrums.

Presidents should use respectful language when referring to journalists, elected officials, public employees or private citizens, whether or not he agrees with their policies.

Presidents should not appoint close family members to high government positions, particularly when those family members are unqualified and/or have undisclosed business conflicts.

We should not place children in camps separate from their parents without even keeping track of their identity or whereabouts.

Every citizen should be able to register to vote. Every vote should count. There should be few barriers to ballot access.


I agree with all the bolded in theory. I have a feeling that when it comes to the application, we'll see where our differences lie. In particular, I have a feeling that some of the above I would consider inappropriate, while you would consider them impeachable.

But back to my original post, how many of those examples do you believe in? How many did you believe in twenty years ago?
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Cheiny




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Feb 11 2020, 12:21 pm
sushilover wrote:
Sometimes I wonder how much easier it would be to subscribe to liberal ideology. Ok I'm joking, but in all seriousness, it's depressing to think about how much control Liberals have over the world.
In a country where about 50 percent of us are on the right,it's scary how much of the media, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, government employees, and education are all left leaning. For heaven's sake, even Wikipedia is biased toward the left! Harvard Business Review

I also worry about how quickly ideas that were considered outrageous just 10, 20 years ago are all mainstream now. Obama's and Clinton's views on same sx marriage just 15 years ago would be disqualifying today. If I would have told someone 10 years ago that virtually every major Democratic candidate opposes any sort of restriction on third trimester abortion- in a country where only 13% of us feel the same way! , they would have laughed me out of the room and said I was fear mongering.

Twenty years ago, who would've imagined that the Overton Window would move so drastically to left that
you will be seen as bigoted if you say there are two genders,
can be sued for not baking a cake,
it is considered a micro aggression to say you are color blind or you just want the best person to get the job, (Yes, really )
a Super Bowl ad with abortion survivors talking about their experiences is considered too extreme to be aired (while the halftime show is A-OK)

What kinds of radical positions will be considered mainstream in twenty years from now that current Liberals would say I am ridiculous for fearing?


There’s no reason to be envious of them; what we have on our side are the truth, and the Torah and its values. No need to worry.
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Jeanette




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Feb 11 2020, 12:24 pm
I guess I'm coming from the perspective that someone who would do any of the above should not be president. Keeping gays from getting married or preventing a woman from getting an abortion don't rank as high on my priority list that we should give such a person the vast powers of the presidency to abuse.

Not to mention that I think his presidency is a huge scam and even the supposed victories for religious rights are illusory. He makes an utter joke out of religion and makes the religious people who support him look like craven fools.
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Cheiny




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Feb 11 2020, 12:25 pm
Jeanette wrote:
You know what's funny? On this site I'm considered a raging liberal extremist for believing:

Presidents should not personally profit off the presidency.

Presidents should disclose their personal business dealings both domestic and overseas that may be a conflict of interest.

Presidents should put the welfare of the country ahead of their personal welfare.

Presidents should not routinely lie to the American people about all matters great and small.

Government agencies exist to serve the public and should fulfill their mandate to ensure public safety, not be subject to the president's whims and tantrums.

Presidents should use respectful language when referring to journalists, elected officials, public employees or private citizens, whether or not he agrees with their policies.

Presidents should not use profanities in their public addresses or communications with the public.

Presidents should not appoint close family members to high government positions, particularly when those family members are unqualified and/or have undisclosed business conflicts.

We should not place children in camps separate from their parents without even keeping track of their identity or whereabouts.

Every citizen should be able to register to vote. Every vote should count. There should be few barriers to ballot access.


So you are acknowledging that all your hatred of Pres. Trump is based on 2 things: your personal perception and belief that he’s using the presidency to benefit and enrich himself personally WITH ZERO EVIDENCE; and your personal perception and belief that he is without morals.

And yet, to ignore all the positives which you’ve never once been able to acknowledge or admit (yeah, we know, the record breaking economy, stock market, low unemployment and so much more are all due to OBAMA’s credit!), shows that your hatred of him has made you unable to consider the other side with any degree of fairness.

So I think what earned you your self described “raging liberal extremist” title is that type of one-track minded thinking which won’t allow you to see outside your wholly negative views of him long enough to be able to even consider that perhaps he has done some good for our country. That’s why the term with the 3 letters was borne.


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Cheiny




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Feb 11 2020, 12:28 pm
Jeanette wrote:
I guess I'm coming from the perspective that someone who would do any of the above should not be president. Keeping gays from getting married or preventing a woman from getting an abortion don't rank as high on my priority list that we should give such a person the vast powers of the presidency to abuse.

Not to mention that I think his presidency is a huge scam and even the supposed victories for religious rights are illusory. He makes an utter joke out of religion and makes the religious people who support him look like craven fools.


And how, pray tell, do you propose screening a potential presidential nominee to find out if he/she really wants the presidency just so they can benefit personally?
As far as the morality, do you propose having them be questioned with a lie detector as to their moral beliefs and past zexual history? Ridiculous. These are human beings running for president, not malachim.
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sushilover




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Feb 11 2020, 12:41 pm
Jeanette wrote:
I guess I'm coming from the perspective that someone who would do any of the above should not be president. Keeping gays from getting married or preventing a woman from getting an abortion don't rank as high on my priority list that we should give such a person the vast powers of the presidency to abuse.

Not to mention that I think his presidency is a huge scam and even the supposed victories for religious rights are illusory. He makes an utter joke out of religion and makes the religious people who support him look like craven fools.


And I guess I think that having a president who says and does things that make me feel uncomfortable or makes a mockery out of religion is still preferable to a president whose policies would bankrupt the country and move it far left- or more accurately, to a position that would have been considered far left just ten years ago.
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Jeanette




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Feb 11 2020, 12:46 pm
Ok, you're entitled to have that belief. We all have different priorities.
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sushilover




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Feb 11 2020, 12:49 pm
Jeanette wrote:
Ok, you're entitled to have that belief. We all have different priorities.


Agreed! I respect that you have different opinions and I hope we can continue to vigorously discuss our differences.
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Jeanette




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Feb 11 2020, 12:58 pm
Quote:

And how, pray tell, do you propose screening a potential presidential nominee to find out if he/she really wants the presidency just so they can benefit personally? 
As far as the morality, do you propose having them be questioned with a lie detector as to their moral beliefs and past zexual history? Ridiculous. These are human beings running for president, not malachim.


Are you being serious?

I don't need to rely on mind reading to know whether a president is steering taxpayer funds to his own businesses. It's pretty obvious when a president installs unqualified family members to conduct foreign policy while pursuing their private business interests at the same time.

I don't need lie detector tests when I can judge the president's own public utterances and behavior on a nearly daily basis.

You may think these things don't matter or that we should overlook them for the sake of a higher purpose. To me these things are the higher purpose. Rule of law. Integrity. Elected leaders who serve the people and not the other way around. Nothing else is worth the sacrifice.
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chanatron1000




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Feb 11 2020, 1:00 pm
I think Trump has shifted the country a bit to the left.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Feb 11 2020, 1:06 pm
sushilover wrote:
Sometimes I wonder how much easier it would be to subscribe to liberal ideology. Ok I'm joking, but in all seriousness, it's depressing to think about how much control Liberals have over the world.
In a country where about 50 percent of us are on the right,it's scary how much of the media, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, government employees, and education are all left leaning. For heaven's sake, even Wikipedia is biased toward the left! Harvard Business Review

I also worry about how quickly ideas that were considered outrageous just 10, 20 years ago are all mainstream now. Obama's and Clinton's views on same sx marriage just 15 years ago would be disqualifying today. If I would have told someone 10 years ago that virtually every major Democratic candidate opposes any sort of restriction on third trimester abortion- in a country where only 13% of us feel the same way! , they would have laughed me out of the room and said I was fear mongering.

Twenty years ago, who would've imagined that the Overton Window would move so drastically to left that
you will be seen as bigoted if you say there are two genders,
can be sued for not baking a cake,
it is considered a micro aggression to say you are color blind or you just want the best person to get the job, (Yes, really )
a Super Bowl ad with abortion survivors talking about their experiences is considered too extreme to be aired (while the halftime show is A-OK)

What kinds of radical positions will be considered mainstream in twenty years from now that current Liberals would say I am ridiculous for fearing?


A ray of hope:

Democrats used to pretend to be normal while moving the country s l o w l y into their
socialism and perversions.

Democrats made a big MISTAKE in being so openly insane, socialist and perverted.
It has turned many long-term Democrats into Republicans and may doom the Democrat Party.
Please, Hashem.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Feb 11 2020, 1:17 pm
Jeanette wrote:
You know what's funny? On this site I'm considered a raging liberal extremist for believing:

Presidents should not personally profit off the presidency.

Presidents should disclose their personal business dealings both domestic and overseas that may be a conflict of interest.

Presidents should put the welfare of the country ahead of their personal welfare.

Presidents should not routinely lie to the American people about all matters great and small.

Government agencies exist to serve the public and should fulfill their mandate to ensure public safety, not be subject to the president's whims and tantrums.

Presidents should use respectful language when referring to journalists, elected officials, public employees or private citizens, whether or not he agrees with their policies.

Presidents should not use profanities in their public addresses or communications with the public.

Presidents should not appoint close family members to high government positions, particularly when those family members are unqualified and/or have undisclosed business conflicts.

We should not place children in camps separate from their parents without even keeping track of their identity or whereabouts.

Every citizen should be able to register to vote. Every vote should count. There should be few barriers to ballot access.


Everything you are against applies to DEMOCRATS, not Trump.

1. DEMOCRATS profit off of Public Office - Look at the Bidens, Look at the Clintons, Look at Obama - all received HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS for their public office - thinly disguised BRIBES

2. When DEMOCRATS get hundreds of millions $$$ in Bribes, they are putting their personal welfare above the country.

3. Government Agencies like the FBI and IRS are used by DEMOCRATS to go after their political opponents.

4. Politicians and Fake News Media routinely refer to Republicans as Hitler, Nazis, Racists, etc.

5. DEMOCRAT Politicians have said things like "Lets Impeach the MotherF$#&*&%"

6. DEMOCRATS appoint relatives to high positions going back to JFK appointing his brother as attorney general. Hillary became Senator as Clinton's wife.

7. OBAMA STARTED separating children at the border. Obama is a DEMOCRAT.

8. We need BARRIERS to make sure ILLEGALS who are NOT CITIZENS don't vote - like
voter ID. Democrats WANT NON-CITIZENS to vote so block Voter ID laws.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Feb 11 2020, 1:20 pm
Jeanette wrote:
I guess I'm coming from the perspective that someone who would do any of the above should not be president. Keeping gays from getting married or preventing a woman from getting an abortion don't rank as high on my priority list that we should give such a person the vast powers of the presidency to abuse.

Not to mention that I think his presidency is a huge scam and even the supposed victories for religious rights are illusory. He makes an utter joke out of religion and makes the religious people who support him look like craven fools.


Jeanette, do you want Socialism?
Because Democrats are Socialists - some admit it and some pretend they are not but all Democrat Politicians are Socialists.

I asked you this before, but you refuse to answer.
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saw50st8




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Feb 11 2020, 1:20 pm
Jeanette wrote:
You know what's funny? On this site I'm considered a raging liberal extremist ....


I find it funny because I feel like a flaming liberal too, even though I am a registered Republican who is fiscally moderate (I do lean socially liberal).
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naturalmom5




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Feb 11 2020, 1:21 pm
Jeanette wrote:
You know what's funny? On this site I'm considered a raging liberal extremist for believing:

Presidents should not personally profit off the presidency.

Presidents should disclose their personal business dealings both domestic and overseas that may be a conflict of interest.

Presidents should put the welfare of the country ahead of their personal welfare.

Presidents should not routinely lie to the American people about all matters great and small.

Government agencies exist to serve the public and should fulfill their mandate to ensure public safety, not be subject to the president's whims and tantrums.

Presidents should use respectful language when referring to journalists, elected officials, public employees or private citizens, whether or not he agrees with their policies.

Presidents should not use profanities in their public addresses or communications with the public.

Presidents should not appoint close family members to high government positions, particularly when those family members are unqualified and/or have undisclosed business conflicts.

We should not place children in camps separate from their parents without even keeping track of their identity or whereabouts.

Every citizen should be able to register to vote. Every vote should count. There should be few barriers to ballot access.


You know Jeanette I actually agree with you..

But it applys to EEVERY SINGLE PRESIDENT

REPEAT EVERY SINGLE PREDIDENT

REPEAT EVERY SINGLE PRESIDENT

If chas v shalom someone like B Sanders wins, he should be eligible to the same medical coverage that the poorest most vulnerable citizen gets and NOT ONE DROP MORE
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Jeanette




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Feb 11 2020, 1:24 pm
saw50st8 wrote:
I find it funny because I feel like a flaming liberal too, even though I am a registered Republican who is fiscally moderate (I do lean socially liberal).


You're a liberal if you dare to criticize Trump or refuse to acknowledge that he's the greatest president in US history.
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saw50st8




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Feb 11 2020, 1:25 pm
I don't think that you can compare President Trump's behavior (lying, language etc) to any other President.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Feb 11 2020, 1:31 pm
Jeanette wrote:
You're a liberal if you dare to criticize Trump or refuse to acknowledge that he's the greatest president in US history.


You're a flaming liberal if every one of your criticisms apply MUCH MORE to Democrats
than to Trump, but some how you don't care about Democrat Corruption.

You're a flaming liberal if you cannot admit ANY of the great things Trump has done for
ORDINARY Americans. Especially Minorities.


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