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amother




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Post  Fri, Feb 14 2020, 3:41 pm
A new study Jan 2020 published in the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine questions the testing methods used to determine the efficacy of Cervarix and Gardasil.

https://journals.sagepub.com/d.....99308

the whole thing is interesting but here is the conclusion

Quote:
This review has revealed many methodological problems with the Phase 2 and 3 efficacy trials of HPV vaccination leading to uncertainty regarding understanding its efficacy.

Cervical cancer – It is uncertain whether HPV vaccination prevents cervical cancer. The trials were not designed to detect this outcome, which takes decades to develop. For most outcomes, follow-up data exist for an average of only four or five years.
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amother




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Post  Wed, Feb 19 2020, 9:13 am
any comment?
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amother




Papaya
 

Post  Wed, Feb 19 2020, 9:18 am
Wow. Crazy.
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amother




Crimson
 

Post  Wed, Feb 19 2020, 9:30 am
Oh, no, you again?

At least post under your screen name, so that everyone can see it's the same person who always posts anti-vax stuff.

I'll look at it later but I've learned that most of what you write is either misunderstood or just rubbish.

And, you don't really want comments. You just want to bump your thread to spread your incorrect conclusions to more people. Your own mind was very firmly made up long ago.
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amother




Crimson
 

Post  Wed, Feb 19 2020, 9:33 am
Just going to add that the HPV vaccine (which I'm not a fan of myself, but that's a side point) never claimed to entirely prevent cervical cancer. It claimed to prevent the STRAINS OF HPV which MOST OFTEN lead to cervical cancer.

The difference is quite obvious.
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amother




OP
 

Post  Wed, Feb 19 2020, 9:37 am
amother [ Crimson ] wrote:
Oh, no, you again?

At least post under your screen name, so that everyone can see it's the same person who always posts anti-vax stuff.

I'll look at it later but I've learned that most of what you write is either misunderstood or just rubbish.

And, you don't really want comments. You just want to bump your thread to spread your incorrect conclusions to more people. Your own mind was very firmly made up long ago.


You're rudeness is uncalled for. You can ignore my thread or the vaccinations forum in its entirety. You are welcome to post your comments about the topic at hand. If you feel the need to attack me and my position personally, you should take a step back. Feel free to post under your own SN before demanding I do so. Have a wonderful day!
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amother




OP
 

Post  Wed, Feb 19 2020, 9:39 am
amother [ Crimson ] wrote:
Just going to add that the HPV vaccine (which I'm not a fan of myself, but that's a side point) never claimed to entirely prevent cervical cancer. It claimed to prevent the STRAINS OF HPV which MOST OFTEN lead to cervical cancer.

The difference is quite obvious.


I guess this difference isn't quite obvious to the CDC:
Quote:
CDC now recommends 11 to 12 year olds get two doses of HPV vaccine—rather than the previously recommended three doses—to protect against cancers caused by HPV.


https://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/st.....n.htm
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athomemom




 
 
 
 

Post  Wed, Feb 19 2020, 9:42 am
I vaccinated all my kids but this is one vaccine that I wont be giving. I read up on it a lot and personally feel like the cons out weigh the pros.
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amother




Aqua
 

Post  Wed, Feb 19 2020, 9:46 am
athomemom wrote:
I vaccinated all my kids but this is one vaccine that I wont be giving. I read up on it a lot and personally feel like the cons out weigh the pros.


Can you explain? I didn’t do the research but I have a friend who is battling cervical cancer that she got from a strain of HPV that the vaccine protects against. I’m inclined to give this vaccine to my daughters when it’s due because of my friends frightening diagnosis and prognosis.
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amother




OP
 

Post  Wed, Feb 19 2020, 9:51 am
amother [ Aqua ] wrote:
Can you explain? I didn’t do the research but I have a friend who is battling cervical cancer that she got from a strain of HPV that the vaccine protects against. I’m inclined to give this vaccine to my daughters when it’s due because of my friends frightening diagnosis and prognosis.


I am very sorry for what your friend is going through.

That being said, there are many people who have had severe adverse reactions associated with this vaccine.

I suggest you do do your research on the potential benefits and the potential risks of the vaccine as well as the odds of contracting the disease weighed against the efficacy of the vaccine (as posted in my OP) so that you can come to a decision that is right for your DD. Good luck in whatever you decide!
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amother




Crimson
 

Post  Wed, Feb 19 2020, 9:58 am
amother [ Aqua ] wrote:
Can you explain? I didn’t do the research but I have a friend who is battling cervical cancer that she got from a strain of HPV that the vaccine protects against. I’m inclined to give this vaccine to my daughters when it’s due because of my friends frightening diagnosis and prognosis.

How did your friend get that strain of HPV?

Rape or molestation of either her or her husband?
Her own irresponsible actions?
Her husband's irresponsible actions?

I think the HPV vaccine should be given if a child is at risk. But not every child is at risk. That's a discussion you need to have with your kids and teens.
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amother




Crimson
 

Post  Wed, Feb 19 2020, 10:00 am
amother [ OP ] wrote:
I guess this difference isn't quite obvious to the CDC:
CDC now recommends 11 to 12 year olds get two doses of HPV vaccine—rather than the previously recommended three doses—to protect against cancers caused by HPV.

"Protect against cancers caused by HPV."

Breastmilk provides PROTECTION from certain diseases, even if it doesn't provide IMMUNITY from those diseases.

The vaccine can provide PROTECTION without promising full IMMUNITY.

It also does not promise protection against all strains of HPV, and CDC does not pretend that it does.

But let's not ignore the fact that there has been an 80% drop in the number of new cases of cervical cancer since the vaccine was introduced.
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tweety1




 
 
 
 

Post  Wed, Feb 19 2020, 10:24 am
athomemom wrote:
I vaccinated all my kids but this is one vaccine that I wont be giving. I read up on it a lot and personally feel like the cons out weigh the pros.

This! I'm a big pro vax. This is one vaccine I ain't giving. In New Skuare there was a recent story abt a little girl who became very sick from the hpv vaccine.
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amother




Aqua
 

Post  Wed, Feb 19 2020, 10:29 am
amother [ Crimson ] wrote:
How did your friend get that strain of HPV?

Rape or molestation of either her or her husband?
Her own irresponsible actions?
Her husband's irresponsible actions?

I think the HPV vaccine should be given if a child is at risk. But not every child is at risk. That's a discussion you need to have with your kids and teens.


This. Isn’t every child at risk of this?
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amother




Crimson
 

Post  Wed, Feb 19 2020, 10:39 am
amother [ Aqua ] wrote:
This. Isn’t every child at risk of this?

Depends who your child is and who his/her spouse is.

Funny anecdote, about a month ago DH and I were talking about this stuff. He said: "Theoretically, emotions aside, can you give a weight to what's worse about cheating - the fact that the person cheated or the risk of STDS?"

I said I would weight the risk of STDs as 80, and give 20 percent to the emotional aspect.

He said the same thing.

We can have this conversation because we both know that we are each other's first and only and that it's going to stay that way. And we can both say that with 100% confidence.

I know that sounds naive but it's not. It's just part of our marriage. And really, if you can't trust your spouse to tell you the truth before you marry, then why would you trust him/her enough to tie the knot?
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trixx




 
 
 
 

Post  Wed, Feb 19 2020, 10:42 am
Gardasil literally kills and it should be illegal to give it, not legally mandated.

https://steemit.com/vaccines/@.....world
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amother




Red
 

Post  Thu, Feb 20 2020, 4:07 pm
Gardasil is SAFE! I have the proof! Check out these links.

After Gardasil was licensed and three doses recommended for 11-12 year old girls and teenagers, there were thousands of reports of sudden collapse with unconsciousness within 24 hours, seizures, muscle pain and weakness, disabling fatigue, Guillain Barre Syndrome (GBS), facial paralysis, brain inflammation, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, blood clots, optic neuritis, multiple sclerosis, strokes, heart and other serious health problems, including death, following receipt of Gardasil vaccine.

The Japanese government stopped giving the Gardasil vaccine in 2013 after health officials recorded nearly 2,000 adverse reactions, according to the Tokyo Times. http://www.tokyotimes.com/side.....-take…/

There is the MIT and Stanford educated medical doctor who also has a Master’s Degree in Public Health? The one who is a vaccine developer and has worked for Merck, the manufacturers of the Gardasil vaccine? Dr. Harper has repeatedly spoken out against the HPV vaccine and raised serious concerns about whether it is safe. As reported by CBS News in 2009:http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gardasil-researcher-speaks-out/

The thousands of parents who belong to this non-profit, the parents who followed their doctor’s orders and got the “cervical cancer jab,” as they like to call it in the U.K. http://sanevax.org/uk-associat.....red-d…/

Dr. Russell Blaylock - (medical doctor and board certified neurosurgeon) explains the complete scientific fraud of the HPV Gardasil cervical cancer vaccine - http://bit.ly/1V9DHa9

Denmark Documentary - exposing the deaths and permanent injuries that the Gardasil HPV cervical cancer vaccine is doing to young women there - http://bit.ly/1AJI0dx

Teen boy dies immediately after HPV cervical cancer vaccine - http://bit.ly/29A7jY6

Video of teen girl struck down by Gardasil cervical cancer vaccine poison - http://bit.ly/1CpDd7g

Japanese medical experts issue warning against HPV cervical cancer vaccine - http://bit.ly/29CdEmo

Group of parents in Ireland form the support group REGRET after being lied to by the Irish government about the HPV Gardasil cervical cancer vaccine - http://bit.ly/2bV6eQC

The most prestigious medical review board in the world is also questioning the HPV cervical cancer vaccine, which guarantees the science behind this vaccine is fraudulent on all levels - http://bit.ly/1XRFqAf

Lead developer of the HPV vaccine testifies that it's not safe nor effective. NOT SAFE OR EFFECTIVE. http://bit.ly/1SME57B

Dr. Suzanne Humphries on Gardasil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkyjgY70yPA

Dark side of the HPV vaccine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq0wgaZzkcE

Marcella on Gardasil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPIH9amZ2yc

Gardasil kills
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkUkaKk_pG8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWDKvXkEJFY

Gardasil injuries….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr-Qi9UBOYc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHYmb9Hwj4A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54qSggykqKc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaBXoOwmuoc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKwa_0ZTALI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8CL8hu6C-U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xd3AarW0bo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npan3q3dJtY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnSNTo9P85g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtbPHftara4

Of course if that’s not enough...here’s over 50 studies showing its dangers....

American College of Pediatrics warns of ovarian failure linked to the HPV (Gardasil) cervical cancer vaccine. Side effect or working exactly as designed? You already know the answer. http://bit.ly/2kwyX2A

Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis Following Immunization with Human Papillomavirus Vaccines
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/......ticle

Adolescent Premature Ovarian Insufficiency Following Human Papillomavirus Vaccination: A Case Series Seen in General Practice
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....5627/

Adverse events following HPV vaccination, Alberta 2006-2014
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....1782/

Ampiginous choroiditis following quadrivalent human papilloma virus vaccine
http://bjo.bmj.com/content/94/1/137.long

Association of acute cerebellar ataxia and human papilloma virus vaccination: a case report
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....8179/

Autoimmune hepatitis type 2 following anti-papillomavirus vaccination in a 11-year-old girl
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....6082/

Behavioral abnormalities in female mice following administration of aluminum adjuvants and the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine Gardasil
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....1722/

Bivalent HPV vaccine safety depending on subtypes of juvenile idiopathic arthritis
http://ard.bmj.com/content/73/12/e75.long

Brachial plexus neuritis following HPV vaccination
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....2437/

A case-control study of quadrivalent human papillomavirus vaccine-associated autoimmune adverse events
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....5199/

Cervical cancers after human papillomavirus vaccination
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....5953/

CNS demyelination and quadrivalent HPV vaccination
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....5844/

Current Safety Concerns with Human Papillomavirus Vaccine: A Cluster Analysis of Reports in VigiBase® (2017)
https://link.springer.com/arti.....456-3

Demyelinating disease and polyvalent human papilloma virus vaccination
http://jnnp.bmj.com/content/82/11/1296.long

Demyelinating disease and vaccination of the human papillomavirus
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....5100/

Development of unilateral cervical and supraclavicular lymphadenopathy after human papilloma virus vaccination
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....2390/

Erythema multiforme following vaccination for human papillomavirus
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....7766/

Fibromyalgia-Like Illness in 2 Girls After Human Papillomavirus Vaccination
http://journals.lww.com/.../Fi.....in...

HPV-negative Gastric Type Adenocarcinoma In Situ of the Cervix: A Spectrum of Rare Lesions Exhibiting Gastric and Intestinal Differentiation
http://insights.ovid.com/crossref...

HPV vaccination syndrome. A questionnaire-based study
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....4426/

Human papilloma virus vaccine and primary ovarian failure: another facet of the autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....2317/

Human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccines as an option for preventing cervical malignancies: (how) effective and safe?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....6780/

Human papillomavirus vaccine and systemic lupus erythematosus
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....4585/

Human papilloma virus vaccine associated uveitis
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....1906/
Human papillomavirus vaccines, complex regional pain syndrome, postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome, and autonomic dysfunction - a review of the regulatory evidence from the European Medicines Agency
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....7145/

Hypersensitivity reaction to human papillomavirus vaccine due to polysorbate 80
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....5841/

Hypersensitivity reactions to human papillomavirus vaccine in Australian schoolgirls: retrospective cohort study
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....0332/

Hypothesis: Human papillomavirus vaccination syndrome--small fiber neuropathy and dysautonomia could be its underlying pathogenesis
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....0003/

Immune thrombocytopenic purpura following human papillomavirus vaccination
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....4550/

Kikuchi-Fujimoto disease following vaccination against human papilloma virus infection and Japanese encephalitis
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....6507/

Lichenoid Drug Eruption After Human Papillomavirus Vaccination
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com...../full

A link between human papilloma virus vaccination and primary ovarian insufficiency: current analysis
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....5978/

Neurologic Complications in HPV Vaccination
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....0812/

Neurologic Complications in HPV Vaccination
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....0812/

On the relationship between human papilloma virus vaccine and autoimmune diseases
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....8416/

Orthostatic intolerance and postural tachycardia syndrome as suspected adverse effects of vaccination against human papilloma virus
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....2168/

Pancreatitis after human papillomavirus vaccination: a matter of molecular mimicry
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....1720/

Pancreatitis following human papillomavirus vaccination
https://www.mja.com.au/.../pan.....an...

Panuveitis With Exudative Retinal Detachments After Vaccination Against Human Papilloma Virus
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....9238/
Peripheral sympathetic nerve dysfunction in adolescent

Japanese girls following immunization with the human papillomavirus vaccine
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....4229/

Pharmaceutical Companies’ Role in State Vaccination Policymaking: The Case of Human Papillomavirus Vaccination
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p.....3914/

Postural tachycardia syndrome following human papillomavirus vaccination
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....2827/

Potential cross-reactivity between HPV16 L1 protein and sudden death-associated antigens
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....9023/

Premature ovarian failure 3 years after menarche in a 16-year-old girl following human papillomavirus vaccination
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....5167/

Severe manifestations of autoimmune syndrome induced by adjuvants (Shoenfeld's syndrome).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....2294/

Severe somatoform and dysautonomic syndromes after HPV vaccination: case series and review of literature
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....3625/

A 16-year-old girl with bilateral visual loss and left hemiparesis following an immunization against human papilloma virus
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....9933/

Small Fiber Neuropathy Following Vaccination
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....2388/

Syncope and seizures following human papillomavirus vaccination: a retrospective case series
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....9862/

Telogen effluvium following bivalent human papillomavirus vaccine administration: a report of two cases
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....4489/

Two Cases of Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis Following Vaccination Against Human Papilloma Virus
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p.....0871/

Two unclear cases of death. Can we still recommend HPV vaccination?].
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....1151/

An unmasking phenomenon in an observational post-licensure safety study of adolescent girls and young women
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m.....0356/

Vaccine-related serious adverse events might have been under-recognized in the pivotal HPV vaccine randomized trial
http://link.springer.com/artic.....575-z
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tryinghard




 
 
 
 

Post  Thu, Feb 20 2020, 5:35 pm
I am very ambivalent about this particular vaccine. That being said, I didn’t open all the links, but many of the ones I did open said there was NO correlation found.
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amother




Babyblue
 

Post  Thu, Feb 20 2020, 6:29 pm
amother [ Crimson ] wrote:
How did your friend get that strain of HPV?

Rape or molestation of either her or her husband?
Her own irresponsible actions?
Her husband's irresponsible actions?

I think the HPV vaccine should be given if a child is at risk. But not every child is at risk. That's a discussion you need to have with your kids and teens.


Do you think anyone plans to be raped, molested, cheated on, divorced, or widowed?
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amother




Tan
 

Post  Thu, Feb 20 2020, 7:02 pm
I have a frum close family member who died of cervical cancer. I start vaccinations late but I'm caught up by the time they are mandated by law, age 4. We did measles and Hep B early because of my community risk.

I have many girls. I have determined, with my pediatrician, that my daughters will decide on Guardasil before they begin dating/ marriage. I'd like to wait a few more years for the advanced studies to come out before jumping on this bandwagon.

I am ok with the frank discussion I have with my girls at 16 to discuss this. So far my older girls have chosen to wait until dating and they are not yet dating.
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