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Post  Thu, Feb 27 2020, 10:57 pm
LittleDucky wrote:
Many reasons. Firstly, they can take it into account because they aim to get a random sample. They can choose which patients qualify. Like people with certain genetic predispositions won't qualify. Also, someone with leukemia (for example) aren't highly correlated or correlated at all with people who have a specific lifestyle (vegan, organic etc). The disease can hit any population, group, lifestyle etc so even if they accept patients who ate like that it would only account for a minute percentage of the people taking the medication. It won't affect the statistics. Unlike with vaccines where it would be a super high percentage who have one lifestyle and don't take the vaccines vs a group that is varied or eat a non specific diet and do take vaccines. People are choosing to be in this retroactive study and variables cannot be taken into account.
Secondly, Many of the seriously ill patients they are testing are in the hospital eating their food. They can control the environment. They are under supervision in a hospital as well.
Thirdly we can't be sure memory is valid- with cancer drugs they are seeing their oncologist once a week. Maybe more. How often do your kids see their pediatrician? Especially if vaccines aren't given? If you don't see a pediatrician, who will account for milestones, side effects etc? A moms memory? Can you list off what months your kids started teething, ate which foods, got teeth, lost those teeth, made noises, sat, stood..made all their milestones?

Vaccines are also lifelong. With a cancer drug they can test if a tumor shrank, how it affected blood counts etc. who is to say how tall your kid was supposed to get, age of first speech? It's hard to measure something you can't really quantify...


The memory recall would not be an issue. We need to check the health outcomes of
vaxed vs unvaxed checking for: autism, adhd, allergies, asthma, learning disabilities, epilepsy, diabetes - these are in the medical records of the children. We don't need to to know when kids started walking.
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Post  Thu, Feb 27 2020, 11:19 pm
amother [ Periwinkle ] wrote:
Interestingly enough, most of these illnesses listed above are also listed as a possible reaction to vaccines...where?? On the vaccine insert. Have you ever read a vaccine insert? Start there. It's comical how you are rationalizing and rationalizing and rationalizing some more when it comes to the very legitimate concerns some posters have brought up.

re: the bolded, do you realize that we are exchanging benign childhood illnesses like measles and chicken pox, which usually pass within a week without any lasting effects, for certain types of cancers and lifelong auto-immune diseases? so they don't get measles or chicken pox but is it worth the tradeoff for chronic illness which we be with them their entire life?

Also, the amount of kids dying from chicken pox (really??) and measles mumps and rubella (do you even know the numbers for rubella? do some research.) are infinitesimal compared to the amount of kids that are dying today in the U.S. The amount of kids dying within the first day of life is higher than the 20 richest nations in the world COMBINED. The amount of kids dying in the U.S. within the first year of life is way higher than the ten most industrialized nations in the world. Oh, and the U.S. also has the most robust childhood vaccine schedule in the world.

It's also morbidly fascinating that many of the illnesses listed above rose dramatically starting in 1989, 3 years after liability was removed from the pharmaceutical companies, and about a year after the mandated schedule increased by far.


Yes, many of these chronic illnesses that have skyrocketed: autism, allergies, asthma, epilepsy, diabetes, sids, ARE listed on Vaccine Inserts as reported adverse events.

As you said, we are exchanging TEMPORARY illnesses that 99.999% recover completely for
chronic life-long sickness. This is madness.

But this is making BILLIONS for the Pharmaceutical Industry. Not only do they make Billions on Vaccines but Pharmaceutical Industry makes Billions MORE on the chronically sick children who will be on Medication for the rest of their lives. KACHING!
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Lavender
 

Post  Fri, Feb 28 2020, 1:01 am
For anyone truly interested in reading up on comparison studies, this blogger provides quite a few links, plus a nice summary.

https://thoughtscapism.com/201.....ople/

And here's an explanation of why the famed studies some people here cite to "prove" vaccinated children are sicker, are not really proper scientific studies.

https://www.skepticalraptor.co.....rope/

Children who receive the rotavirus vaccine have a decreased risk of Type 1 Diabetes.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/r.....2.htm

A few more studies:
https://www.healthychildren.or......aspx

And about death rates -

Smallpox. Smallpox is the only disease that has been eradicated. During 1900-1904, an average of 48,164 cases and 1528 deaths caused by both the severe (variola major) and milder (variola minor) forms of smallpox were reported each year in the United States (1). The pattern in the decline of smallpox was sporadic. Outbreaks of variola major occurred periodically in the first quarter of the 1900s and then ceased abruptly in 1929. Outbreaks of variola minor declined in the 1940s, and the last case in the United States was reported in 1949. The eradication of smallpox in 1977 enabled the discontinuation of prevention and treatment efforts, including routine vaccination. As a result, in 1985 the United States recouped its investment in worldwide eradication every 26 days (1).

Polio. Polio vaccine was licensed in the United States in 1955. During 1951-1954, an average of 16,316 paralytic polio cases and 1879 deaths from polio were reported each year (9,10). Polio incidence declined sharply following the introduction of vaccine to less than 1000 cases in 1962 and remained below 100 cases after that year. In 1994, every dollar spent to administer oral poliovirus vaccine saved $3.40 in direct medical costs and $2.74 in indirect societal costs (14). The last documented indigenous transmission of wild poliovirus in the United States occurred in 1979. Since then, reported cases have been either vaccine-associated or imported. As of 1991, polio caused by wild-type viruses has been eliminated from the Western Hemisphere (16). Enhanced use of the inactivated polio vaccine is expected to reduce the number of vaccine-associated cases, which averaged eight cases per year during 1980-1994 (17).

Measles. Measles vaccine was licensed in the United States in 1963. During 1958-1962, an average of 503,282 measles cases and 432 measles-associated deaths were reported each year (9-11). Measles incidence and deaths began to decline in 1965 and continued a 33-year downward trend. This trend was interrupted by epidemics in 1970-1972, 1976-1978, and 1989-1991. In 1998, measles reached a provisional record low number of 89 cases with no measles-associated deaths (13). All cases in 1998 were either documented to be associated with international importations (69 cases) or believed to be associated with international importations (CDC, unpublished data, 1998). In 1994, every dollar spent to purchase measles-containing vaccine saved $10.30 in direct medical costs and $3.20 in indirect societal costs (7).

Hib. The first Hib vaccines were polysaccharide products licensed in 1985 for use in children aged 18-24 months. Polysaccharide-protein conjugate vaccines were licensed subsequently for use in children aged 18 months (in 1987) and later for use in children aged 2 months (in 1990). Before the first vaccine was licensed, an estimated 20,000 cases of Hib invasive disease occurred each year, and Hib was the leading cause of childhood bacterial meningitis and postnatal mental retardation (8,18). The incidence of disease declined slowly after licensure of the polysaccharide vaccine; the decline accelerated after the 1987 introduction of polysaccharide-protein conjugate vaccines for toddlers and the 1990 recommendation to vaccinate infants. In 1998, 125 cases of Hib disease and Haemophilis influenzae invasive disease of unknown serotype among children aged less than 5 years were provisionally reported: 54 were Hib and 71 were of unknown serotype (CDC, unpublished data, 1998). In less than a decade, the use of the Hib conjugate vaccines nearly eliminated Hib invasive disease among children.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/previ.....3.htm

Varicella - From 1970 to 1994, 2262 death records listed varicella as the underlying cause of death, an average of 90 deaths per year; these ranged from 47 deaths in 1986 to 138 in 1973.

https://academic.oup.com/jid/a.....90935
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LittleDucky




 
 
 
 

Post  Fri, Feb 28 2020, 1:49 am
#BestBubby wrote:
The memory recall would not be an issue. We need to check the health outcomes of
vaxed vs unvaxed checking for: autism, adhd, allergies, asthma, learning disabilities, epilepsy, diabetes - these are in the medical records of the children. We don't need to to know when kids started walking.


So what about ALL the other reasons your theoretical study cannot conclude anything? Except of course it can conclude those not vaxxed can get measles, mumps, diphtheria...


And you can't blame vaccines for many of the diseases you mention:
1. They Just were not diagnosed in previous generations. Because we didn't know why a kid didn't act like other kids. We just called them dumb, dorks, MR (hate the term but it was used then), lazy, crazy... Not LD, ADHD, or autistic.
2. We can treat things like diabetes now that we couldn't before. So no one knew why Great Grandma's sister didn't survive. They didn't put it on death certificates if they didn't know about it! And since people are surviving, they are getting married and having kids- so, yeah more kids have it today because more kids have it in their gene pool!
3. We have more pollution today- increases likelihood for asthma.
4. We have cleaner homes, less of us are living on the farms= more allergies. It's been found that the cleaner the home is the worse the immune system and the higher rate of allergies.
5. We have different lifestyles than 150 years ago. We are sedentary, eat more processed foods, are indoors more, looking at screens more, expect more in school from our kids...
***6. WE HAVE CHANGED THE DEFINITION OF AUTISM. People in Autism related organizations and/or have an agenda do not like this little fact and just like to say we have a "huge rise". Read the DSM IV-TR vs the current DSM V. The definition has changed. So you CANNOT compare the numbers of kids with autism 15 years ago to today. When you expand the definition to include a "spectrum" of symptoms and issues- yeah more kids will have it. This is besides the fact that we have more awareness. Plus there are the parents who get their kid diagnosed so they can get free services from the state and what do you know, their kid is "cured" or "was misdiagnosed" after a year or two. (Some areas outside of NY have strict requirements for services...so if your kid is borderline they claim autism as it is the easiest diagnoses to "get". Much easier than say epilepsy or CP which have medical criteria vs behavioral). Seriously, I know people who try this.

Not everything is black and white. Actually very few things in life are. There are many outside factors that make a rise in occurrence of a disease happen.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Fri, Feb 28 2020, 2:07 am
amother [ Lavender ] wrote:
For anyone truly interested in reading up on comparison studies, this blogger provides quite a few links, plus a nice summary.

https://thoughtscapism.com/201.....ople/

And here's an explanation of why the famed studies some people here cite to "prove" vaccinated children are sicker, are not really proper scientific studies.

https://www.skepticalraptor.co.....rope/



Thoughtscapism, whom you cite, WRONGLY claimed there are Vaxed vs UnVaxxed studies. The studies cited are NOT Vaxed vs UnVaxed studies, here is why:

1. The first study included in the vaccinated group children who had only ONE vaccine. That is not fully vaccinated per the CDC schedule, so NOT a Vax vs UnVax Study.

2. The Second Study did not have any Zero vaccine group - so NOT a Vax vs UnVax Study

3. Third Study: too small - only 85 in the "vaccinated" group. The Philippines Vaccine schedule is much less than the CDC vaccine schedule so NOT a Vax vs UnVax Study

Studies 4 & 5 only looked at the flu shot so NOT a Vax vs UnVax Study.

Lavender, you have repeatedly claimed there are Vax vs UnVax studies yet you can't find any. These are not Vax vs UnVax Studies. WILL YOU ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG?
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Fuchsia
 

Post  Fri, Feb 28 2020, 2:15 am
#BestBubby wrote:
Thoughtscapism, whom you cite, WRONGLY claimed there are Vaxed vs UnVaxxed studies. The studies cited are NOT Vaxed vs UnVaxed studies, here is why:

1. The first study included in the vaccinated group children who had only ONE vaccine. That is not fully vaccinated per the CDC schedule, so NOT a Vax vs UnVax Study..


BB - Can you ELABORATE on the study that you are looking for.

a study that compares a population that has taken a vaccine vs one that has not is "Vax vs UnVax Study" by any normal understanding of the phrase.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Fri, Feb 28 2020, 2:26 am
LittleDucky wrote:
So what about ALL the other reasons your theoretical study cannot conclude anything? Except of course it can conclude those not vaxxed can get measles, mumps, diphtheria...


And you can't blame vaccines for many of the diseases you mention:
1. They Just were not diagnosed in previous generations. Because we didn't know why a kid didn't act like other kids. We just called them dumb, dorks, MR (hate the term but it was used then), lazy, crazy... Not LD, ADHD, or autistic.
2. We can treat things like diabetes now that we couldn't before. So no one knew why Great Grandma's sister didn't survive. They didn't put it on death certificates if they didn't know about it! And since people are surviving, they are getting married and having kids- so, yeah more kids have it today because more kids have it in their gene pool!
3. We have more pollution today- increases likelihood for asthma.
4. We have cleaner homes, less of us are living on the farms= more allergies. It's been found that the cleaner the home is the worse the immune system and the higher rate of allergies.
5. We have different lifestyles than 150 years ago. We are sedentary, eat more processed foods, are indoors more, looking at screens more, expect more in school from our kids...
***6. WE HAVE CHANGED THE DEFINITION OF AUTISM. People in Autism related organizations and/or have an agenda do not like this little fact and just like to say we have a "huge rise". Read the DSM IV-TR vs the current DSM V. The definition has changed. So you CANNOT compare the numbers of kids with autism 15 years ago to today. When you expand the definition to include a "spectrum" of symptoms and issues- yeah more kids will have it. This is besides the fact that we have more awareness. Plus there are the parents who get their kid diagnosed so they can get free services from the state and what do you know, their kid is "cured" or "was misdiagnosed" after a year or two. (Some areas outside of NY have strict requirements for services...so if your kid is borderline they claim autism as it is the easiest diagnoses to "get". Much easier than say epilepsy or CP which have medical criteria vs behavioral). Seriously, I know people who try this.

Not everything is black and white. Actually very few things in life are. There are many outside factors that make a rise in occurrence of a disease happen.


I am not comparing the health of children from 150 years ago to today. I am comparing the health of children from 1970-1990 to children born after 1990. In 1987 Pharmaceutical Industry got IMMUNITY from LAW SUITS. In 1990 the CDC QUADRUPLED (4x) the Vaccine Schedule. SOON AFTER 1990, chronic illness in children SKYROCKETED: Autism, ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Allergies, Asthma, Epilepsy, Diabetes, Childhood Cancer, SIDS, Tourettes

ALL THE ABOVE ILLNESSES AND TERMS EXISTED IN 1970!

We do NOT have cleaner homes today when most women work compared to 1970 when most women were full time housewives.

In 1970, autism was defined as NON-VERBAL Autism. Today 1:50 children have autism and 1/3 of those have NON-VERBAL Autism. So the Rate of NON-VERBAL Autism has gone from
1:10,000 in 1970 to 1:150 today. And I am comparing apples to apples - using the same definition of autism. Autism has absolutely SKYROCKETED since the CDC quadrupled the vaccine schedule in 1990!
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Post  Fri, Feb 28 2020, 3:07 am
amother [ Fuchsia ] wrote:
BB - Can you ELABORATE on the study that you are looking for.

a study that compares a population that has taken a vaccine vs one that has not is "Vax vs UnVax Study" by any normal understanding of the phrase.


A Vax vs UnVax Study would have to compare children who were 100% Vaccinated PER THE CDC Schedule with children who were 100% NON Vaccinated.

It would have to have at least 10,000 children in each group

It would have to study the children for at least 5 years

It should study illnesses associated with vaccines such as: autism, adhd, learning disabilities, epilepsy, diabetes, allergies, asthma, sids
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amother




Fuchsia
 

Post  Fri, Feb 28 2020, 3:20 am
#BestBubby wrote:
A Vax vs UnVax Study would have to compare children who were 100% Vaccinated PER THE CDC Schedule with children who were 100% NON Vaccinated.

It would have to have at least 10,000 children in each group

It would have to study the children for at least 5 years

It should study illnesses associated with vaccines such as: autism, adhd, learning disabilities, epilepsy, diabetes, allergies, asthma, sids


Thanks for this. - lets call this "BB's Vax vs UnVax Study"

To be clear - you can't call someone out on finding a study that compares children who have been vaccinated with those that have not as not being a "Vax vs UnVax Study" just because said study doesn't meet the criteria you defined.

Nobody made a claim that there has been a "BB's Vax vs UnVax Study" (or anything called by another name that would meet the criteria that you have laid out).

(5 years starting when? when 100% of the CDC schedule has been complete?)
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LittleDucky




 
 
 
 

Post  Fri, Feb 28 2020, 9:57 am
#BestBubby wrote:
I am not comparing the health of children from 150 years ago to today. I am comparing the health of children from 1970-1990 to children born after 1990. In 1987 Pharmaceutical Industry got IMMUNITY from LAW SUITS. In 1990 the CDC QUADRUPLED (4x) the Vaccine Schedule. SOON AFTER 1990, chronic illness in children SKYROCKETED: Autism, ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Allergies, Asthma, Epilepsy, Diabetes, Childhood Cancer, SIDS, Tourettes

ALL THE ABOVE ILLNESSES AND TERMS EXISTED IN 1970!

We do NOT have cleaner homes today when most women work compared to 1970 when most women were full time housewives.

In 1970, autism was defined as NON-VERBAL Autism. Today 1:50 children have autism and 1/3 of those have NON-VERBAL Autism. So the Rate of NON-VERBAL Autism has gone from
1:10,000 in 1970 to 1:150 today. And I am comparing apples to apples - using the same definition of autism. Autism has absolutely SKYROCKETED since the CDC quadrupled the vaccine schedule in 1990!



No- we lead cleaner lives today. How many of our kids roam the open spaces, building tree houses, collecting tradpoles etc? Do your kids play baseball in an empty lot in the neighborhood?
We have fewer empty lots, fewer open spaces. Our kids go from our clean homes to our cars to school to preselected after school activities (even an outside sport is cleaner with manicured lawns and special made fields for that sport) to our homes. Parenting style has CHANGED.

WE STILL HAVE CHANGED THE DEFINITION OF AUTISM. Who still uses the DSM IV?? Oh wait, in 1970 they were just starting to revise and make the DSM III. So we are going to use the DSM II? That was quite a few editions back.
Oh and read this:
An influential 1974 paper by Robert Spitzer and Joseph L. Fleiss demonstrated the second edition of the DSM (DSM-II) was an unreliable diagnostic tool.[26] They found different practitioners using the DSM-II rarely agreed when diagnosing patients with similar problems. In reviewing previous studies of eighteen major diagnostic categories, Fleiss and Spitzer concluded "there are no diagnostic categories for which reliability is uniformly high. Reliability appears to be only satisfactory for three categories: mental deficiency, organic brain syndrome (but not its subtypes), and alcoholism. The level of reliability is no better than fair for psychosis and schizophrenia and is poor for the remaining categories".[27]

And you can't be using the definition from DSM II. It wasn't made into its own disorder until the DSm III in 1980. And then the definition has been revised a few times including the DSm-III R.
So you cannot possibly be comparing apples to apples. Maybe fruit to fruit but then again in the 1960s they still thought autism came from the "refrigerator mother" theory.
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Post  Fri, Feb 28 2020, 11:15 am
LittleDucky wrote:
No- we lead cleaner lives today. How many of our kids roam the open spaces, building tree houses, collecting tradpoles etc? Do your kids play baseball in an empty lot in the neighborhood?
We have fewer empty lots, fewer open spaces. Our kids go from our clean homes to our cars to school to preselected after school activities (even an outside sport is cleaner with manicured lawns and special made fields for that sport) to our homes. Parenting style has CHANGED.

WE STILL HAVE CHANGED THE DEFINITION OF AUTISM. Who still uses the DSM IV?? Oh wait, in 1970 they were just starting to revise and make the DSM III. So we are going to use the DSM II? That was quite a few editions back.
Oh and read this:
An influential 1974 paper by Robert Spitzer and Joseph L. Fleiss demonstrated the second edition of the DSM (DSM-II) was an unreliable diagnostic tool.[26] They found different practitioners using the DSM-II rarely agreed when diagnosing patients with similar problems. In reviewing previous studies of eighteen major diagnostic categories, Fleiss and Spitzer concluded "there are no diagnostic categories for which reliability is uniformly high. Reliability appears to be only satisfactory for three categories: mental deficiency, organic brain syndrome (but not its subtypes), and alcoholism. The level of reliability is no better than fair for psychosis and schizophrenia and is poor for the remaining categories".[27]

And you can't be using the definition from DSM II. It wasn't made into its own disorder until the DSm III in 1980. And then the definition has been revised a few times including the DSm-III R.
So you cannot possibly be comparing apples to apples. Maybe fruit to fruit but then again in the 1960s they still thought autism came from the "refrigerator mother" theory.


1. In 1970 Autism was defined as children who were NON-VERBAL.

2. I acknowledged that they changed (expanded) the definition of Autism.

3. 1/3 of children called Autistic today are NON VERBAL.

4. 1:50 children are diagnosed with Autism, so 1/3 of 1:50 = 1:150 who have NON-VERBAL
AUTISM.

5. In 1970, 1:10,000 children had NON VERBAL AUTISM. And in 2020 1:150 have NON VERBAL Autism. So the rate of NON VERBAL AUTISM has truly skyrocketed! And this explosion of NON VERBAL AUTISM happened after 1990 when the CDC QUADRUPLED (4x)
the number of vaccines given!
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Fri, Feb 28 2020, 11:18 am
amother [ Fuchsia ] wrote:
Thanks for this. - lets call this "BB's Vax vs UnVax Study"

To be clear - you can't call someone out on finding a study that compares children who have been vaccinated with those that have not as not being a "Vax vs UnVax Study" just because said study doesn't meet the criteria you defined.

Nobody made a claim that there has been a "BB's Vax vs UnVax Study" (or anything called by another name that would meet the criteria that you have laid out).

(5 years starting when? when 100% of the CDC schedule has been complete?)


Five years from birth to age Five.

Can you find any study that is even remotely close? All the studies conducted by the CDC
have been vaxxed vs vaxxed - usually comparing vaxxed children who got the MMR with
vaxxed children without the MMR.

Can you find a study comparing vaxxed children to 100% unvaxxed children?
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Fuchsia
 

Post  Fri, Feb 28 2020, 11:21 am
Making sure I read this correctly. 1 in 150 children have non-verbal autism?
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Post  Fri, Feb 28 2020, 11:27 am
amother [ Fuchsia ] wrote:


a study that compares a population that has taken a vaccine vs one that has not is "Vax vs UnVax Study" by any normal understanding of the phrase.


The NORMAL understanding of Vax vs UnVax would be 100% vaxxed per the CDC schedule vs 100% UnVaxxed. Any other study is a Vaxxed vs Vaxxed Study with children
getting different amounts of vaccines, but all of them getting vaccinated.

The Smoker vs Non-Smoker Studies that proved that smoking causes cancer did not compare
Smokers vs Smokers - with some smokers smoking more and some smoking less. It compared
smokers to 100% NON SMOKERS. So what I wrote above is the NORMAL understanding of a
Vax vs UnVax Study.
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Post  Fri, Feb 28 2020, 11:28 am
amother [ Fuchsia ] wrote:
Making sure I read this correctly. 1 in 150 children have non-verbal autism?


Yes!!! And in 1970 the rate was about 1 in TEN THOUSAND. And this massive increase
started after 1990, when CDC QUADRUPLED (4x) the number of vaccines given.

How do you understand this???
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Fuchsia
 

Post  Fri, Feb 28 2020, 11:36 am
#BestBubby wrote:
Five years from birth to age Five.

Can you find any study that is even remotely close? All the studies conducted by the CDC
have been vaxxed vs vaxxed - usually comparing vaxxed children who got the MMR with
vaxxed children without the MMR.

Can you find a study comparing vaxxed children to 100% unvaxxed children?


I'm not looking for studies for you.

The point of my post was that you unfairly called out another poster "to admit that she was wrong" when - in fact - she was not.
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Fuchsia
 

Post  Fri, Feb 28 2020, 11:38 am
#BestBubby wrote:
Yes!!! And in 1970 the rate was about 1 in TEN THOUSAND. And this massive increase
started after 1990, when CDC QUADRUPLED (4x) the number of vaccines given.

How do you understand this???


I'm skeptical on the statistic. Was there a study?
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Fuchsia
 

Post  Fri, Feb 28 2020, 11:44 am
#BestBubby wrote:
The NORMAL understanding of Vax vs UnVax would be 100% vaxxed per the CDC schedule vs 100% UnVaxxed. Any other study is a Vaxxed vs Vaxxed Study with children
getting different amounts of vaccines, but all of them getting vaccinated.

The Smoker vs Non-Smoker Studies that proved that smoking causes cancer did not compare
Smokers vs Smokers - with some smokers smoking more and some smoking less. It compared
smokers to 100% NON SMOKERS. So what I wrote above is the NORMAL understanding of a
Vax vs UnVax Study.


Right. In the first vaxxed vs unvaxxed study provided in the article - the comparison was with 100% NON VACCINATED children - vs children who had taken atleast one vaccine.

To compare to your example - what you are looking for is a study of non-smokers vs heavy smokers only.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Fri, Feb 28 2020, 12:14 pm
amother [ Fuchsia ] wrote:
Right. In the first vaxxed vs unvaxxed study provided in the article - the comparison was with 100% NON VACCINATED children - vs children who had taken atleast one vaccine.

To compare to your example - what you are looking for is a study of non-smokers vs heavy smokers only.


The CDC Schedule is MANDATED - COERCED on everyone.

Fuchsia, don't you agree we need to see if the CDC schedule - which was QUADRUPLED in
1990 - is safe? If this is what is MANDATED? What is the point of studying children who had only one vaccine if Everyone is forced to take 72 vaccines???

Parents don't have the FREEDOM to choose which vaccines to take or skip.
So the HEAVY CDC Vaccine schedule must be studied.

OR the government can AT LEAST let parents to decide which vaccines to take or not.
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Fuchsia
 

Post  Fri, Feb 28 2020, 12:21 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
The CDC Schedule is MANDATED - COERCED on everyone.

Fuchsia, don't you agree we need to see if the CDC schedule - which was QUADRUPLED in
1990 - is safe? If this is what is MANDATED? What is the point of studying children who had only one vaccine if Everyone is forced to take 72 vaccines???

Parents don't have the FREEDOM to choose which vaccines to take or skip.
So the HEAVY CDC Vaccine schedule must be studied.

OR the government can AT LEAST let parents to decide which vaccines to take or not.


Your study was 0-5 as I recall. That's not 72 vaccines.

Yes I think vaccine safety studies are important.
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