Selfishness and stupidity

Rappel

Fri, Mar 13 2020, 12:41 am

amother [ Mauve ] wrote:

I don't know how this would actually work, as its very difficult to retain information with lessons via the phone. Visual, and interactive learning drives the message home. Listen to someone droning on over the phone, without the ability to ask questions and with so many other distractions around you, won't do much for many.

We did "phone school" in high school on some snow days. It was fine. My notes were great those days. And I got to study in pyjamas with my cat on my lap. No complaints here.

amother

Wine

Fri, Mar 13 2020, 12:43 am

amother [ Black ] wrote:

why doesn't it makes sense?

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That we are trying to control something thats not in our hands..caution yes, shutting down everything bc of a potential virus which theyre not even knowledgeable about?

How many people die from so many other stuff? What about the sick ones in hospitals? The drs and nurses will leave them to die?

The same govt does stupid thing like banning plastic bags to 'save the earth' or warned us the world will overheat...all of this nonsense which is an attempt to alarm us, and control the country.

There were many viruses that came and went, but for some reason Corona is getting the most fear into people. Its a fear of the unknown.

Its about time we trusted Hashem that He is in charge. I cant worry about every prediction they claim will be. They are not in control.

momtra

Fri, Mar 13 2020, 12:45 am

the situation is changing rapidly.
From what I understand, the social distancing is to ‘ buy time’ . Putting aside the tremendous inconvenience of canceling Simcha celebrations, school etc. it makes a lot of sense and has been shown to work in China and South Korea.
I am very disappointed with the statement from Torah Umesorah and I’m grateful that my children’s’ yeshiva is not adhering to it and has canceled classes until at least March 22.
There will be remote learning.
The RCBC ‘s move, besides being thought out and well researched is so smart.

Sunny Days

Fri, Mar 13 2020, 12:49 am

Rappel wrote:

We did "phone school" in high school on some snow days. It was fine. My notes were great those days. And I got to study in pyjamas with my cat on my lap. No complaints here.

How do you juggle that though with a couple of kids and only one or 2 lines? Same for internet classes with couple of kids and just a device or 2?

carnation

Fri, Mar 13 2020, 12:49 am

amother [ Mauve ] wrote:

These systems can be set so all participants can ask questions and talk etc.

amother

Mauve

Fri, Mar 13 2020, 12:50 am

Rappel wrote:

We did "phone school" in high school on some snow days. It was fine. My notes were great those days. And I got to study in pyjamas with my cat on my lap. No complaints here.

Maybe it works for high schoolers, but doubt it can work well for elementary students.

amother

Violet

Fri, Mar 13 2020, 5:27 am

OP, my family doesn't do Pesach hotels - it's not even in the realm of possibility financially. So we're coming from different perspectives I think. I'm in Cincinnati. Yesterday Ohio announced a mandatory 3-week spring break for all Ohio schools. I work at a private school and am paid hourly, not salaried. I won't be earning anything for 3 weeks, and then we go straight into Pesach. So for our family we just lost a month's worth of my income. Since my kids' schools will be closed during that time, I can't even think of trying to take on side gigs to help cover the gap, since I'll need to be watching them (daycares were also ordered closed by the governor). OP have a little rachmanus on your fellow Yidden. There are a lot of us living paycheck to paycheck even though we have professional jobs. The loss of a month's income is very hard.

OP you said people should just stay home - how are people with non-school jobs outside the home supposed to do that? A lot of my friends are facing loss of a month's income as well (or possibly losing their jobs), because they have no childcare for their kids who are now home on a 3-week spring break.

Think about it.

amother

Jetblack

Fri, Mar 13 2020, 7:06 am

amother [ Red ] wrote:

Because somebody disagrees with you, that simply does not give you the right to hurl names like "selfish" and "toddlers" at them. You have your opinion, others have theirs. Your opinion, my opinion and everyone elses' for that matter is just that- a subjective opinion.

This is like the black plague in that social isolation and better hygiene can save lives.

Being someone who is medically fragile, this is the black plague to me. I will be dead if I get the cornavirus and there is no beds or respirators for me. My children will be without a mother.

Your post is childish and you are acting like a toddler - me me me.

BH I am privileged that I can isolate myself. But unlike selfish people like you, I am concerned with saving the lives of others.

Your post disgusts me.

Ema of 5

Fri, Mar 13 2020, 8:05 am

For all those saying it’s bit so bad and it only affects old people, so why bother taking precautions with the young?

https://www.theyeshivaworld.co......html

amother

Jetblack

Fri, Mar 13 2020, 8:25 am

Ema of 4 wrote:

For all those saying it’s bit so bad and it only affects old people, so why bother taking precautions with the young?

https://www.theyeshivaworld.co......html

Those people are defective. The fact that men are getting sterile from this maybe should wake up the ignorant.

Ema of 5

Fri, Mar 13 2020, 8:28 am

amother [ Jetblack ] wrote:

Those people are defective. The fact that men are getting sterile from this maybe should wake up the ignorant.

People are defective? What does that even mean? Products are defective, not human beings....
And where did you read that men are becoming sterile?

amother

Jetblack

Fri, Mar 13 2020, 8:57 am

Ema of 4 wrote:

People are defective? What does that even mean? Products are defective, not human beings....
And where did you read that men are becoming sterile?

Not caring if other people live or die is defective. People who are so self centered and don't care about the elderly or the weak in society are defective. They are defective humans.

The well do do can easily socially isolate. The poor can't.

Read the news. Cornavirus effects men's testes.

amother

Wine

Fri, Mar 13 2020, 9:06 am

amother [ Jetblack ] wrote:

Here we go again.

What makes you think you will get Coronavirus? From a medical standpoint If you are staying away from germs, and keeping away from people, you still believe youre gonna die?

Do you believe if Hashem wants you to get it, you will get it regardless? Once you will actually believe that He is in charge, you will free yourself of this drama. And guess what, you can lock up a nation, but if Hashem determines we should all get it, there is no way out.

BH I am privileged that I can isolate myself.

IMO saying this is selfish. Just bc you can, doesnt mean we all can.

pause

Fri, Mar 13 2020, 9:09 am

I will say this with my SN even though I know I will be bashed.

I am very upset that Bergen County (and possibly other places) banned minyanim. You want to encourage smaller weddings, no shiva visits, work at home, closing schools? All that is acceptable. But not to daven with minyan and no yeshiva to learn Torah? We need the zechusim of tefillah b'tzibbur and limud Torah!!! Arrangements can be made for smaller groups, but to cancel them altogether?! It really feels so wrong.

Throughout the years and all kinds of oppressors, yidden were moser nefesh to daven and to learn. They'd sneak out under threat of death under the yevanim, communist rule, in the ghettos... One who is sick is patur, but the healthy ones?

TBH, I am more afraid of the spiritual ramifications of these bans than of the physical threat non-compliance might pose. We need more than ever tefillah and limud Torah!!!

Getting ready for the tomatoes. Hiding

amother

Wine

Fri, Mar 13 2020, 9:23 am

I agree with you, Pause.

Ema of 5

Fri, Mar 13 2020, 9:26 am

amother [ Jetblack ] wrote:

Again, humans are not defective. Machines can be defective. They may be selfish, rude, self centered, or any other similar adjective you would like to use, but humans are not, and can not be, defective.
Please show me one credible source about men becoming sterile from coronavirus.
(Hint: the news is not a credible source, they are known to be inaccurate and sensational.)

southernbubby

Fri, Mar 13 2020, 11:15 am

momtra wrote:

Shutting schools without a quarantine might cause more disease because many people will take their kids out in public. Crown Heights now had to close schools due to some cases that tested positive but nobody is forcing anyone to stay home.

amother

Coffee

Fri, Mar 13 2020, 11:29 am

amother [ Wine ] wrote:

Bc there have been so many threats in the past of what will happen, hurricanes, global warming, zika, measles, swine flu, sars, ebola, etc. Im sick of believing everything on the news!

And Bc 'they are predicting' this and that will happen is not enough to stop my life, and rely on these predictions. This madness can last 2 weeks or 2 months! Should I buy cages for my kids and lock them up? Seriously, how do we quarantine a bunch of lively kids?

Its easy for others to say stay away from everyone...... WHERE WERE YOU ON PURIM?!? You ran around with your greatly themed shaloch manos. The streets were packed! 2 days later you're yelling keep your kids home - until what?!

I have one life to live, and want to live. Not in fear of everything you hear on the news. Theyre wrong most of the time anyways..

This is not about logic, its emotions and anxiety. People are panicking bc noone can predict what will be. Enough with this madness. Let Hashem run the world.

Anon bc noone will agree with me anyways. Its a lost cause.

No, I didn’t run around to Purim parties this year, even though I usually do.

I put money where my mouth is

amother

Yellow

Fri, Mar 13 2020, 12:08 pm

pause wrote:

https://mailchi.mp/bknw.org/bk.....94f72

I am writing to you through tears. The situation in the world today is extraordinarily painful, and when Jews are in pain, we daven to Hashem. Tefilah is a חיוב דאורייתא according to all ראשונים when we are in an עת צרה. This moment in time qualifies as an עת צרה. There is no way to properly assess the value of תפלה בציבור and תפלה בבית הכנסת. It is powerful and the only way we know to help us through difficult times.

Having said that, with new information coming out each minute, it has become clear that having groups of people congregate in shul (and קל וחומר in homes which are more confined) is recklessly dangerous. Based on the guidance of many infectious disease specialist (who are well aware of the כח התפלה and its value in our community), and based on the unequivocal psak of my great rebbe הגאון הרב שכטר שליט"א, I am terribly sad to inform you that our beloved shul where we reach out to Hashem through tefilah and torah, will be closed for Shabbos.

Please understand how serious this decision is, and that it was not taken lightly by any of the community rabbonim who spent hours talking to medical professionals and gedolei haposkim (and each other). The prospect of taking away our most potent weapon to fight disease and yisurin, the כח התפלה, absolutely terrifies me. Yet, Hashem wants us to be מוסר נפש. Sometimes מסירות נפש involves giving up money, sometimes it involves giving up our lives, but in this case it is the most painful form of מסירות נפש - giving up our ability to reach out to Hashem in the best way possible. The גמרא in the beginning of מס' ברכות tells us that יסורין that involve ביטול תפלה are most certainly NOT יסורין של אהבה.

My dear and beloved friends, we have to make sure that there is no ביטול תפלה even as we are forced into ביטול תפלה בציבור. PLEASE make sure to daven b'zman, daven slowly, daven together with your children, daven with deep and serious כונה, daven out loud (one may even daven שמונה עשרה out loud when davening ביחידות and when davening with בני ביתו to model proper tefilah). I think it is best if we all daven at the same time tonight and tomorrow. Let us keep our regular minyan times, just while davening at home.

It is our collective tefilah that Hashem should hear our tefilos and welcome us back into His home where we can connect to Him properly. May this time away give us a greater appreciation of the great gift of tefilah b'tzibur.

הכותב בדמעה וברעדה,
אריה ליבוביץ

amother

Jetblack

Fri, Mar 13 2020, 12:28 pm

amother [ Wine ] wrote:

But I care about others who can't isolate. My stocks took a big hit, but it's not important compared to saving lives. Social distancing is expensive for everyone. But it's necessary.