Tzena U’Rena | Imamother

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cornflower

Wed, May 06 2020, 12:46 am

amother [ Ruby ] wrote:

I don't call that explicit and would feel comfotable having young kids read that.
Do you call the Aseres Hadiboros and 3 harog val yaavor explicit?
My Megillas Rus is missing a few pages where these kind of 'explicit' details are probably written about. I know it must be a printing malfunction, but its kind of funny...
PS. Its Must be a temp senior moment: Its Dovid and Batsheva.

Youre right,I thought so- its Dovids wife...
I forgot Shaul's wife name. Was it Michal?

Im not saying its explicit, but I was saying its more than Midrash Mesaper...it has details about niddah, relations, how babies are born (girls facing upward, boys backwards) and stuff about zerah of a man.

Now some ppl wouldnt mind their kids reading about it. Mine would def have a lot of questions. I also think many things dont pertain to us today. Im not saying kids cant read it, its written in an old fashioned way..

For ex:
*It says twins are weaker than a single person, bc the strength is divided between them...
*Rich people suffer birth pains more than the poor, bc they dont have the punishment of toiling for bread...
*Women have a worse smell than men bc we are created from a bone, men are from earth...
*The bigger talmid chochom the person is, the stronger his yetzer horah is....

I myself have some questions on it, I wonder what my teens would ask..

Wasnt it written by noshim tzidkonios many years back when there was no school for girls?

CiCi

Wed, May 06 2020, 12:57 am

amother [ cornflower ] wrote:

There are hundreds of pages (I believe) of the tzena irena. If you sprinkle a page long list between hundreds of pages you get nothing that would raise too many questions.

The tzena-rena was written by Yaacov Ben Itzchak Ashkenazi in the 1590s)

amother

Ruby

Wed, May 06 2020, 1:22 am

amother [ cornflower ] wrote:

Michal was Shaul's daughter. I don't know Shaul's wife's name. I don't know if it was ever mentioned anyplace. Batsheva was Dovid's wife and Shlomo's mother.
You seem to have a great memory and/or you probably studied it in depth. I only read/learned it in the early years of my marriage, and that was over a decade ago so I can't recall the specific examples you posted, although I do remember others.
Here's the thing about kids. Mine aren't that inquisitive, and they (unfortanately) don't yearn to read the tzena urena or similar. I was reading the English version at a pretty young age, but they have comics and novels...if they do pick it up, I will be delighted. I believe alot of references will go above their head at a younger age, and at an older age, I'm comfortable answering their questions or having DH answering what I can't.
The first and last examples you mentioned are universal ones I've heard, not from TU.

amother

cornflower

Wed, May 06 2020, 1:32 am

amother [ Ruby ] wrote:

Michal was Shaul's daughter. He had many wives, none of which I can name. Batsheva was Dovid's wife and Shaul's mother.
You seem to have a great memory and/or you probably studied it in depth. I only read/learned it in the early years of my marriage, and that was over a decade ago so I can't recall the specific examples you posted, although I do remember others.
Here's the thing about kids. Mine aren't that inquisitive, and they (unfortanately) don't yearn to read the tzena urena or similar. I was reading the English version at a pretty young age, but they have comics and novels...if they do pick it up, I will be delighted. I believe alot of references will go above their head at a younger age, and at an older age, I'm comfortable answering their questions or having DH answering what I can't.
The first and last examples you mentioned are universal ones I've heard, not from TU.

My memory is terrible...and I didnt read it in a long time!
My daughter wouldnt think of reading it either...if yes, she'd ask more than my son, just bc the boys learn these things as a matter of fact. Girls ask more questions (As per my seminary rabbi said, he noticed the difference when teaching boys and girls)

Anyways I read it in yiddish, and perhaps the english version may be written differently.

amother

cornflower

Wed, May 06 2020, 1:35 am

CiCi wrote:

I am fascinated by it, I just dont know why some things I couldnt relate to. Even though it makes sense, things are not so clear today.

I thought it was written by women. Thanks for the info!

CiCi

Wed, May 06 2020, 1:59 am

amother [ cornflower ] wrote:

I am fascinated by it, I just dont know why some things I couldnt relate to. Even though it makes sense, things are not so clear today.

I thought it was written by women. Thanks for the info!

Well, it it's nice to be fascinated by something so holy!

This is our heritage but it happened quite a while ago during different civilizations and to people much greater than us so it's normal not to be able to relate to everything.

lech lecha08

Wed, May 06 2020, 2:26 am

amother [ Ruby ] wrote:

Michal and Batsheva were both Dovid's wives.
Michal is also the daughter of Shaul.
Batsheva is the mother of Shlomo, the king with the most wives

amother

Ruby

Wed, May 06 2020, 2:31 am

lech lecha08 wrote:

Michal and Batsheva were both Dovid's wives.
Michal is also the daughter of Shaul.
Batsheva is the mother of Shlomo, the king with the most wives

Thanks for the correction. I'm going back to edit. It doesn't even make sense, considering that Dovid is Shaul's SIL. I guess is the Sh in both names that triggered my senior moment. Sad

amother

cornflower

Wed, May 06 2020, 3:05 am

amother [ Ruby ] wrote:

I checked the TU before..it says it was Yehonason's mom that pulled Shaul to dance with her, and then they married. It didnt mention her name.