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southernbubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Thu, May 21 2020, 7:44 am
I have not seen them in Monsey and my neighborhood would probably be very intimidating to them. When I was living in Detroit, they used to hound the frum neighborhood on Sundays but I either pretended not to be home or if I was outside, I said that I wasn't interested and they went away.
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Chickensoupprof




 
 
 
 

Post  Thu, May 21 2020, 8:08 am
Oh I hate them... they make me aggressive.
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Rappel




 
 
 
 

Post  Thu, May 21 2020, 8:17 am
sequoia wrote:
When we were emigrating, the church in Ladispoli that targeted Soviet Jews, largely ignorant of their heritage, was called the American Club.

So everyone came, because they wanted to meet people and practice their English.

It was run by missionaries — a couple from the US, an English lady, and a Canadian girl.

The pastor and his wife are now in Yerushalaim. It’s like they have an obsession with converting specifically Jews. Proselytizing in Israel is illegal, but that doesn’t stop them.


Where? What are their names?
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amother




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Post  Thu, May 21 2020, 9:39 am
I had a few stories, some of them ugly.
1) In high school, a friend and I took a car service in Boro Park. The driver asked us about school and we thought it's sweet, maybe he was Jewish and never had a chance to learn. Then he started talking about how moshiach has already come. That ended the conversation pretty quickly.

2)A man wearing a yarmulka, tallis, and a cross stood on 13th ave yelling about our sins. A crowd gathered and some teenagers got rowdy and snatched off the yarmulka. Not ok.

3) Some Black Hebrew Israelites in Manhattan started yelling at me one Sunday. I am biracial, so at first they were trying to convince me that I'm Jewish. When I told them that I am an orthodox Jew, the tone changed pretty quickly. I cannot repeat the foul things they spewed then.
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thunderstorm




 
 
 
 

Post  Thu, May 21 2020, 9:49 am
zaq wrote:
THIS is the most disturbing part of your post. Didn't your parents tell you never to open the door unless a. your parents were home AND b. you knew who it was? I don't care if you did live in BP Ir Hakodesh where everyone is frum and it's "safe." Unpleasant things happen everywhere. Do you let your children open the door to strangers?

Back in the day there wasn’t a strong awareness of not opening doors. When we were six year olds we needed to ask strangers to hold our hands and take us across the street , because we were too young to cross. That’s how it was in those days. Things have changed. Nowadays, if a stranger held a 6yr olds hand they could be arrested.
We actually were more “vigilant” than most kids because the neighborhood in Boro Park that we lived in was very dangerous back then. It’s not the Boro Park of today. And we still didn’t have qualms about opening doors.
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thunderstorm




 
 
 
 

Post  Thu, May 21 2020, 9:51 am
amother [ Floralwhite ] wrote:
I’m not exactly a regular poster here, but even I have seen enough to know that Thunderstorm didn’t exactly have the most typical functional childhood...

Even so, even functional households didn’t have the same vigilance that we have today. It was different times.
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Elfrida




 
 
 
 

Post  Thu, May 21 2020, 11:25 am
We rarely saw them, but once they knocked on our door on Yom Kippur, just as my mother was about to leave to shul. Normally she would have ben politely uninterested, but that time she was really furious with them. She gave them an entire lecture, starting with the mezuzah, which should have told them it was a Jewish house, and continuing with awareness and respect for other religions holy days, and ending up with why Yom Kippur was so important, and that however bad it was that they came and annoyed people on other days, on Yom Kippur it was ten times worse.

They apologized and went away as fast as they could without actually running. No one ever came to us again after that!


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zaq




 
 
 
 

Post  Thu, May 21 2020, 12:50 pm
thunderstorm wrote:
Even so, even functional households didn’t have the same vigilance that we have today. It was different times.


Baloney. In the early 1960s I was in grade school and I knew a. To ask "who is it?" when the bell rang; b. Never to open the door to someone I didn't know even if my parents were home; c. Never to open the door at all if I was home alone; d. Never to talk to strangers anywhere and to keep walking and not answer if a stranger in the street asked me something; e. To walk in the middle of the sidewalk away from cars, parked or moving. My mother knew these things when she was a girl in the 1930s. A girl in her neighborhood

And the 70s were the absolute PITS. There was no such thing as going to a nighttime event unless you had a prearranged car ride home or a male escort who would walk you home from the subway. Otherwise you didn't go, not even in a group of girls. You held your keys between your fingers, ready to poke in an attacker's eyes. You avoided high heels because they were a handicap if you needed to run from an attacker. You kept your money in your bra or your shoe in case someone grabbed your purse. You never, never, let yourself fall asleep on the subway and you never, ever, let your jewelry show, even if it was fake. You kept your wits about you at all times, made sure to board the subway car with the conductor, and waited for the train as close to the token booth as possible. If you took a bus at night, you tried to find an open shop near the bus stop so you could wait there till you saw the bus approaching. You held your purse close to your body or better yet, under your coat. If you had to walk alone at night, you stuck to well-lit, busy streets or walked down the middle of the street, not on the sidewalk. And you always walked briskly as if you had to get somewhere before closing time. You never just ambled.

I'm still shocked when I see young women blithely moseying around outside late at night, shoulder bags swinging merrily on long straps, eyes glued to their cell phones, oblivious to everything around them.
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CiCi




 
 
 
 

Post  Thu, May 21 2020, 12:58 pm
zaq wrote:
Baloney. In the early 1960s I was in grade school and I knew a. To ask "who is it?" when the bell rang; b. Never to open the door to someone I didn't know even if my parents were home; c. Never to open the door at all if I was home alone; d. Never to talk to strangers anywhere and to keep walking and not answer if a stranger in the street asked me something; e. To walk in the middle of the sidewalk away from cars, parked or moving. My mother knew these things when she was a girl in the 1930s. A girl in her neighborhood

And the 70s were the absolute PITS. There was no such thing as going to a nighttime event unless you had a prearranged car ride home or a male escort who would walk you home from the subway. Otherwise you didn't go, not even in a group of girls. You held your keys between your fingers, ready to poke in an attacker's eyes. You avoided high heels because they were a handicap if you needed to run from an attacker. You kept your money in your bra or your shoe in case someone grabbed your purse. You never, never, let yourself fall asleep on the subway and you never, ever, let your jewelry show, even if it was fake. You kept your wits about you at all times, made sure to board the subway car with the conductor, and waited for the train as close to the token booth as possible. If you took a bus at night, you tried to find an open shop near the bus stop so you could wait there till you saw the bus approaching. You held your purse close to your body or better yet, under your coat. If you had to walk alone at night, you stuck to well-lit, busy streets or walked down the middle of the street, not on the sidewalk. And you always walked briskly as if you had to get somewhere before closing time. You never just ambled.

I'm still shocked when I see young women blithely moseying around outside late at night, shoulder bags swinging merrily on long straps, eyes glued to their cell phones, oblivious to everything around them.


I was not around in the 1960s, but in the 1980s the parentswere not so vigilant like we are today. We never had a problem opening to doors everyone as kids. It wasn't just me, all my classmates were like that. Maybe where you grew up it was different. But overall, in the 80s and 90s, and I'm sure before that too, the standards of safety was much more relaxed.

In Ruchoma Shain's book "All for the Boss" she wrote that she went in middle of the night to a rav to ask a shaloh about a chicken. And she writes that back then no one was scared like they are today because the streets were much safer.
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CiCi




 
 
 
 

Post  Thu, May 21 2020, 1:04 pm
I've had a lot of encounters with missionaries. I ask them if they would be ok if I start doing missionary work for Judaism in their neighborhoods. I tell them that we Jewd don't go around proselytizing our religion and if they do that with they must be very insecure with their religion.

They always make a quick exit after my little speach.
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Tzutzie




 
 
 
 

Post  Thu, May 21 2020, 1:47 pm
Ugh. They come around my neighborhood every year. Annoying.
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amother




Aquamarine
 

Post  Thu, May 21 2020, 2:47 pm
Dh would invite them in. Then, when they started quoting from the "torah" and took out their bible, dh would say "uh, uh, if were gonna quote, we are going to use the original source " and pull out that sefer. They didn't last long after that🤔🤔
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amother




Burgundy
 

Post  Thu, May 21 2020, 3:08 pm
Never had this in my neighborhood bh.
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amother




cornflower
 

Post  Thu, May 21 2020, 9:03 pm
You can tell the Jehovahs Witnesses to put your address on their list of people to not contact. They're generally good about that.

I was raised in an evangelical household, and there were a few times I was supposed to go hand out tracts as part of youth group. I was really socially awkward and shy so I didn't have to go because I started crying. BH, that's the only time that being awkward saved me lol.

As an adult I had a man sit next to me on the bus and yammer at me about Yoshke until I told him to go sit somewhere else. Then he focused on someone else and blathered at them while also complaining about me. Very strange experience. When I was in college the Westboro Baptist Church came to my college with signs and their kids and screamed at everyone. They really don't want to convert people, though, they just want to let everyone know how much they and their deity hate everyone but them.
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CiCi




 
 
 
 

Post  Thu, May 21 2020, 10:10 pm
amother [ cornflower ] wrote:
You can tell the Jehovahs Witnesses to put your address on their list of people to not contact. They're generally good about that.

I was raised in an evangelical household, and there were a few times I was supposed to go hand out tracts as part of youth group. I was really socially awkward and shy so I didn't have to go because I started crying. BH, that's the only time that being awkward saved me lol.

As an adult I had a man sit next to me on the bus and yammer at me about Yoshke until I told him to go sit somewhere else. Then he focused on someone else and blathered at them while also complaining about me. Very strange experience. When I was in college the Westboro Baptist Church came to my college with signs and their kids and screamed at everyone. They really don't want to convert people, though, they just want to let everyone know how much they and their deity hate everyone but them.


Why do you say they don't want to convert Jews? Some of these people only want to tell everyone that they are going to hell, but as far as I can't tell, most evangelists really believe that they must convert people, specifically Jews.
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amother




Bronze
 

Post  Thu, May 21 2020, 10:14 pm
CiCi wrote:
Why do you say they don't want to convert Jews? Some of these people only want to tell everyone that they are going to hell, but as far as I can't tell, most evangelists really believe that they must convert people, specifically Jews.


Westboro Baptist Church is not in the Jew converting business.
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CiCi




 
 
 
 

Post  Thu, May 21 2020, 11:23 pm
amother [ Bronze ] wrote:
Westboro Baptist Church is not in the Jew converting business.


I didn't realize that she was specifically talking about the Westboro Baptist Church not wanting to convert people. I thought she was talking about Christians in general.
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amother




Aubergine
 

Post  Thu, May 21 2020, 11:52 pm
Ho, I'd a funny encounter with missionaries in Israel. An American lady knocked on my door and started asking me if I wanted peace in the world etc etc, gave me a pamplet and I kinda humored her (she complimented me on my 'great English' lol, thanks lady, it just so happens to be my native language). Another humorous sidenote is that I'm a convert and I'm PRETTY SURE that if I escaped my home country and xtianity to come to EY and live as a Jew, I'm not going back any time soon! Anyways, she was really into it and thought I was interested so offered to come back at a designated time the following day with a "Hebrew speaker to make things easier to understand" (uh she really didn't get it...)

So what did I do? I rang Yad L'Achim who sent a representative to have a long chat with the American lady and her Israeli 'friend' the minute they touched down. Don't know what he did with them, but I was delighted to stop them in their tracks!
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zaq




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, May 24 2020, 6:24 pm
amother [ Aubergine ] wrote:


So what did I do? I rang Yad L'Achim who sent a representative to have a long chat with the American lady and her Israeli 'friend' the minute they touched down. Don't know what he did with them, but I was delighted to stop them in their tracks!


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