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amother
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Post Sun, Jun 14 2020, 10:33 am
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0.....ion=3

It feels like yesterday that J.K. Rowling was tweeting anti-Trump tweets and the left loved her for it.

I was (and still am) a raging Harry Potter fan and also pro Trump, and you know what? I was fine. I knew I could enjoy her books and her wonderful world she created despite not agreeing with her political views.

But now the tides seem to have turned for her. Now they’re angry about her not wanting women’s bathrooms open to transgenders. It just seems as though you can agree with everything they stand for, but if you make one wrong turn you’re out. You’re canceled. I’d be scared to be in the public eye and constantly need to tiptoe around the narrative.
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amother
Seafoam


 

Post Sun, Jun 14 2020, 10:37 am
Most people on either side of the political divide don't care at all about J.K. Rowlings.
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avrahamama




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Jun 14 2020, 10:41 am
A lot of people in both sides LOVE her world she created. Those on the right Don't care about her politics and can enjoy books regardless. Those on the very left will never look at Harry Potter the same way again...
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amother
Cerulean


 

Post Sun, Jun 14 2020, 10:47 am
avrahamama wrote:
A lot of people in both sides LOVE her world she created. Those on the right Don't care about her politics and can enjoy books regardless. Those on the very left will never look at Harry Potter the same way again...


"but the world isn’t split into good people and Death Eaters"
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amother
Lavender


 

Post Sun, Jun 14 2020, 10:48 am
Ironic how her opposition is based on her support for lesbian rights...
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amother
Khaki


 

Post Sun, Jun 14 2020, 10:56 am
I'm not.super familiar with her, but I think she's stood up against anti-Semitism in a way that pissed off the Left before.
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#BestBubby




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Jun 14 2020, 11:52 am
amother [ Seafoam ] wrote:
Most people on either side of the political divide don't care at all about J.K. Rowlings.


That is not the point.

The point is if you don't agree 1,000,000% with every Leftist Viewpoint, you are called
an evil Racist, Trans-phote, Homopobe etc.

So if you agree with everything Left, but don't agree that men can menstruate - you are demonized and fired as happened to College Professors and JK Rowling.

If you agree with everything Left, but don't agree with abolishing the police - you are demonized and attacked as happened to Ultra Liberal Mayor Frey.

If you agree with everything Left but quote Martin Luther King's Letter about a color blind society - you are demonized - a Professor was FIRED!
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sequoia




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Jun 14 2020, 12:07 pm
amother [ Lavender ] wrote:
Ironic how her opposition is based on her support for lesbian rights...


It is not ironic at all.

My opposition to trans-identifying males in women’s sports and women’s spaces is based on my overall concern for the welfare of women and girls, but also on my support for the rights of lesbians specifically to live their lives without threats, coercion, and violence.

It is not ironic. It is logical.
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simcha2




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Jun 14 2020, 12:26 pm
avrahamama wrote:
A lot of people in both sides LOVE her world she created. Those on the right Don't care about her politics and can enjoy books regardless. Those on the very left will never look at Harry Potter the same way again...


Like these people...

https://time.com/4657055/j-k-r.....ning/

There are crazies on both side, but making broad sweeping statements doesn't make things true. It reduces nuance.
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BadTichelDay




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Jun 14 2020, 12:42 pm
I wish someone would just stand up, grab a megaphone and shout "Stop the nonsense, everybody!"
But it's not going to happen. The world is losing its marbles over political correctness.
I saw an article today complaining that the Harry Potter books and films don't appropriately include gender diversity. Why, just why, does anyone want children's fantasy stories to be filled with hints at s@x life of any variety? What happened to good old innocence?
Why does "respect" and equality mean that certain topics have to be inserted everywhere constantly? I'm all in favour of live and let live, but I don't want myself or my children force fed values that are against our beliefs at every turn. Maybe the time has come to restrict reading to frum Jewish books and to non-Jewish books that were written before 2005 or so only ...
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#BestBubby




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Jun 14 2020, 12:47 pm
BadTichelDay wrote:
I wish someone would just stand up, grab a megaphone and shout "Stop the nonsense, everybody!"
But it's not going to happen. The world is losing its marbles over political correctness.
I saw an article today complaining that the Harry Potter books and films don't appropriately include gender diversity. Why, just why, does anyone want children's fantasy stories to be filled with hints at s@x life of any variety? What happened to good old innocence?
Why does "respect" and equality mean that certain topics have to be inserted everywhere constantly? I'm all in favour of live and let live, but I don't want myself or my children force fed values that are against our beliefs at every turn. Maybe the time has come to restrict reading to frum Jewish books and to non-Jewish books that were written before 2005 or so only ...


That's how Socialist Tyrannies work - everything: art, music, books, movies/tv, science, schools, new media - must support the Socialist Party Agenda.

See: Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, Communist China, Nazi Germany....
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amother
Ivory


 

Post Sun, Jun 14 2020, 12:53 pm
Thank you Best Bubby

This is no joke. This is how the radical Left operates. This is what we are seeing right before our very eyes. Disagree, say something deemed not PC enough, or misunderstood whether deliberately or not...and get fired, vilified, black listed, doxed, trashed, boycotted.

Agree or disagree this is a very dangerous dangerous precedent going on around us.

People are afraid to speak up. And thats how they try to shut up and disempower voices they don't agree with. This is how they try to push their narrative their agenda.
This is an attempt to gain control and power. As poster put on other threads we would be wise to look to history to inform ourselves.

Very dangerous. No matter what side of the political aisle one is sitting on or apolitical. Very very scary.

I will stand up for people to have the 1st amendment and G-d Given right to speak up to voice your opinion whether or not it is in agreement with mine. On any topic.

This is how revolutions have begun historically. Cuba, Venezuela (BLM founder is a self professed admirer of Maduro), China, Russia, and more. And yes initially many of their goals may have seemed laudatory. The reality, however, was something quite else. Quite cruel.

Freedom is something we must not take for granted. Freedom is something we have to fight for.
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amother
Royalblue


 

Post Sun, Jun 14 2020, 1:40 pm
It’s crazy that America, land of the free speech, has now become a place where you’re too terrified to speak.

And Daniel Radcliffe had to make some public response declaration so he can feel good about himself and kick the person who’s responsible for his fame, well, that’s just sad. No hakaras hatov.
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amother
Natural


 

Post Sun, Jun 14 2020, 1:42 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/style/jk-rowling-transgender-fans.html?searchResultPosition=3

It feels like yesterday that J.K. Rowling was tweeting anti-Trump tweets and the left loved her for it.

I was (and still am) a raging Harry Potter fan and also pro Trump, and you know what? I was fine. I knew I could enjoy her books and her wonderful world she created despite not agreeing with her political views.

But now the tides seem to have turned for her. Now they’re angry about her not wanting women’s bathrooms open to transgenders. It just seems as though you can agree with everything they stand for, but if you make one wrong turn you’re out. You’re canceled. I’d be scared to be in the public eye and constantly need to tiptoe around the narrative.


Because they’re authoritarianS who want to take over your life and make every decision for you
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amother
Rose


 

Post Sun, Jun 14 2020, 2:15 pm
amother [ Lavender ] wrote:
Ironic how her opposition is based on her support for lesbian rights...


This is what is called a TERF.
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banana123




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Jun 14 2020, 2:15 pm
The left gets angry at anyone who disagrees with them on anything, no matter how small it is, and regardless of whether that person agrees with them on everything else.
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amother
Coffee


 

Post Sun, Jun 14 2020, 2:21 pm
sequoia wrote:
It is not ironic at all.

My opposition to trans-identifying males in women’s sports and women’s spaces is based on my overall concern for the welfare of women and girls, but also on my support for the rights of lesbians specifically to live their lives without threats, coercion, and violence.

It is not ironic. It is logical.

Exactly. Many of these "trans" individuals retain male genitalia. Women's bathrooms were created so that those with female genitalia could go to the bathroom in safety, without having to share a bathroom with men. If a trans individual is willing to undergo "bottom surgery" then okay, let them use the women's bathrooms. As long as they retain male parts, they should use men's bathrooms, and changing spaces.

And it's not fair that athletes who are physically male with regards to body size, muscle mass, strength, etc. should ruin young girls' chances at scholarships and championships and should take resources meant for women. Let them take funds intended for them.

Right now all a man has to do is say he identifies as female and can't afford hormones, and he has rights to women's private spaces. It's scary.

These are glorified cross-dressers. If they want to be legitimately transgender then they can undergo surgery to remove the offensive body parts. That's what transgender IS. The body parts offend them, do not resonate with them, make them feel that they are in the wrong body, so the faster those body parts disappear, the better they are. If a person isn't willing to do that, they're not transgender.
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#BestBubby




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Jun 14 2020, 2:23 pm
amother [ Coffee ] wrote:
Exactly. Many of these "trans" individuals retain male genitalia. Women's bathrooms were created so that those with female genitalia could go to the bathroom in safety, without having to share a bathroom with men. If a trans individual is willing to undergo "bottom surgery" then okay, let them use the women's bathrooms. As long as they retain male parts, they should use men's bathrooms, and changing spaces.

And it's not fair that athletes who are physically male with regards to body size, muscle mass, strength, etc. should ruin young girls' chances at scholarships and championships and should take resources meant for women. Let them take funds intended for them.

Right now all a man has to do is say he identifies as female and can't afford hormones, and he has rights to women's private spaces. It's scary.

These are glorified cross-dressers. If they want to be legitimately transgender then they can undergo surgery to remove the offensive body parts. That's what transgender IS. The body parts offend them, do not resonate with them, make them feel that they are in the wrong body, so the faster those body parts disappear, the better they are. If a person isn't willing to do that, they're not transgender.


Per the Left, this view makes you an evil Trans-Phobe.

Either you agree One Million Percent with the agenda that changes daily or you are evil.

Leftists = Tyranny
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amother
Coffee


 

Post Sun, Jun 14 2020, 2:32 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
Per the Left, this view makes you an evil Trans-Phobe.

Either you agree One Million Percent with the agenda that changes daily or you are evil.

Leftists = Tyranny

I know, I'm a homophobe, a bigot, and the best yet - a RACIST. Very Happy And a bunch of other nasty names that I forgot...

I don't really take criticism from people who don't know the definition of the words they toss out.
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ora_43




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Jun 14 2020, 2:33 pm
JK Rowling's statement on the whole issue is really well written. Which I guess shouldn't be surprising.

J.K. Rowling Writes about Her Reasons for Speaking out on relations and Gender Issues

Trans activists who think any mention of biological womanhood is anti-trans are absurd, and should be ignored. What meaning does the concept "trans" even have without the concept of biological s-x?
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