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amother
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 Mon, Jul 27 2020, 5:43 pm
For those who aren't motivated to listen:
Frontline doctors stating their experiences, that Zelenko's protocol (though they don't call it that) works, that lockdown has significant impact on health, that those who are creating policy aren't interacting with patients, that the fear is unwarranted, info that the media is and isn't covering...
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amother
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Mon, Jul 27 2020, 5:48 pm
| itsmeima wrote: | | Studies don't work that! | Huh?
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avrahamama
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Mon, Jul 27 2020, 6:03 pm
Dr. Emanuel aka WARRIOR!!!!!!
"Once a patient is dead he cannot come back to life to talk about data and double blinded studies"
Looooove that!
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OBnursemom
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Mon, Jul 27 2020, 6:11 pm
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Medication studies have zero to do with media coverage. They determine how effective a medication is with what complications. And they decide if those complications are too costly in terms of patient health. If they are funded by a source that may (or may not) be biased, they have to report it. Right off the bat, Breitbart is not an unbiased source. Give me something from the Lancet or JAMA or another high quality medical journal.
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amother
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Mon, Jul 27 2020, 6:17 pm
| OBnursemom wrote: | | Medication studies have zero to do with media coverage. They determine how effective a medication is with what complications. And they decide if those complications are too costly in terms of patient health. If they are funded by a source that may (or may not) be biased, they have to report it. Right off the bat, Breitbart is not an unbiased source. Give me something from the Lancet or JAMA or another high quality medical journal. |
Breitbart isn't a source. The doctors who are treating patients are the ones saying it. Listen to what they're saying.
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avrahamama
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Mon, Jul 27 2020, 6:21 pm
| OBnursemom wrote: | | Medication studies have zero to do with media coverage. They determine how effective a medication is with what complications. And they decide if those complications are too costly in terms of patient health. If they are funded by a source that may (or may not) be biased, they have to report it. Right off the bat, Breitbart is not an unbiased source. Give me something from the Lancet or JAMA or another high quality medical journal. |
These doctors are using medical journals to make their medical decisions. My relative a doctor in the ICU was using medical journals to give HCQ to his patients and even to himself and his family members, his colleagues were using CNN to argue against it.
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SuperWify
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Mon, Jul 27 2020, 6:28 pm
Didn’t watch it.
BUT hard to believe that they know any real facts yet...
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amother
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Mon, Jul 27 2020, 6:41 pm
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Thank for this! It's amazing!
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avrahamama
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Mon, Jul 27 2020, 6:44 pm
| SuperWify wrote: | Didn’t watch it.
BUT hard to believe that they know any real facts yet... |
So that's why they're so frustrated. They do feel that they have some facts. And they cited several studies. And they also cited several journals that have been behaving quite irresponsibly lately. And they feel they are being censored. And I personally know so many healthcare workers that feel this way.
I dont know WHY things are happening the way they are. But it is very clear that there is a voice that is dismissed often. For whatever reason.
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SixOfWands
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Mon, Jul 27 2020, 7:01 pm
| avrahamama wrote: | | These doctors are using medical journals to make their medical decisions. My relative a doctor in the ICU was using medical journals to give HCQ to his patients and even to himself and his family members, his colleagues were using CNN to argue against it. |
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The results of actual scientific studies have been mixed at best. Just last week, a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine concluded that among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care. [Political comment removed]
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amother
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Mon, Jul 27 2020, 7:05 pm
| SixOfWands wrote: | Actually, they were giving it because the Stable Genius, who understands pandemics and virology better than the CDC, FDA and epidemiologists, and who continues to assure us that one day, covid will just disappear, told us that it was a miracle cure.
The results of actual scientific studies have been mixed at best. Just last week, a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine concluded that among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care. But who are you going to believe, medical researchers, or President Stable Genius. |
False. Listen to the doctors yourself! They're telling you why they are giving it. They also tell you about the studies you are quoting here as well as others you don't read about in the news. Again, listen to them before jumping to conclusions.
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SixOfWands
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Mon, Jul 27 2020, 7:06 pm
| avrahamama wrote: | So that's why they're so frustrated. They do feel that they have some facts. And they cited several studies. And they also cited several journals that have been behaving quite irresponsibly lately. And they feel they are being censored. And I personally know so many healthcare workers that feel this way.
I dont know WHY things are happening the way they are. But it is very clear that there is a voice that is dismissed often. For whatever reason. |
Its not dismissed. There has been study and after study. With mixed to poor results.
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| Quote: | | Results of the randomized, controlled, open-label Phase III trial, which took place at more than two dozen sites in Brazil, were published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Thursday. The study randomized 667 patients to receive hydroxychloroquine or the drug plus the antibiotic azithromycin on top of standard of care or standard of care alone. When patients were measured on the seven-point ordinal scale of improvement in disease, those in the two hydroxychloroquine groups showed no improvement compared with patients who received standard of care alone. Moreover, those receiving hydroxychloroquine more frequently experienced Qt prolongation and elevation of liver enzymes. |
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amother
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Mon, Jul 27 2020, 7:12 pm
I’ve seen 3 doctors speak about how they have protocols to treat patients from day 1. Not when they are in the hospital. They have not lost a single patient.
I think those facts are enough to pay attention.
And the big journals have had inaccurate studies regarding the drug. So why trust them over drs in the trenches
“Lancet, New England Journal retract Covid-19 studies, including one that raised safety concerns about malaria drugs“
Pelosi used those very studies to mock trumps use. It makes you wonder.
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Yael
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Mon, Jul 27 2020, 11:07 pm
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Please avoid bringing politics into this thread.
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flmommy
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Mon, Jul 27 2020, 11:15 pm
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Video/article was removed. Can someone summarize please.
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Laiya
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Mon, Jul 27 2020, 11:38 pm
| SixOfWands wrote: | [Political comment removed]
The results of actual scientific studies have been mixed at best. Just last week, a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine concluded that among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care. [Political comment removed] |
Again and again it's been said, the studies with mixed results initiated the hcq treatment too late in the progression of the illness. The studies that initiated treatment with hcq early, showed significant improvement.
| OBnursemom wrote: | | Medication studies have zero to do with media coverage. They determine how effective a medication is with what complications. And they decide if those complications are too costly in terms of patient health. If they are funded by a source that may (or may not) be biased, they have to report it. Right off the bat, Breitbart is not an unbiased source. Give me something from the Lancet or JAMA or another high quality medical journal. |
And do we really want to talk about the integrity of journals after the Lancet's recent fiasco evidenced its bias against hcq?
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#BestBubby
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Mon, Jul 27 2020, 11:49 pm
| flmommy wrote: | | Video/article was removed. Can someone summarize please. |
The video/article was removed.
Folks, do you care that DOCTORS are being Censored????
And we know who is doing the censoring!
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