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itsmeima




 
 
 
 

Post  Fri, Jul 31 2020, 3:01 pm
Cheiny wrote:
Call a Rov and ask.


Gimme the deets! Convince me, because in my community it's not a thing.
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Cheiny




 
 
 
 

Post  Fri, Jul 31 2020, 3:06 pm
itsmeima wrote:
Gimme the deets! Convince me, because in my community it's not a thing.


Sorry, I’m not a Rov. You should have a family Rabbi.
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newcomer




 
 
 
 

Post  Fri, Jul 31 2020, 3:07 pm
srbmom wrote:
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But you are aware that R Shmuel Kamenetzky among others don't feel the same necessarily, have come out (quieter to those who ask) to open schools and camps, to allow unvaccinated children into schools.

This is the key though. If someone asks for a personal psak thats one thing. But when a gadol makes a public statement like this, people need to think long and hard about their choice to go against it.

He didn't say it as a psak. He said it as a recommendation, his opinion.
(That said, I was going to vote for Trump anyway. But if I wasn't, I don't think this would change my mind. I respect him as a Rav. But I don't agree with some of his views, including vaxxing. I think he has gone on record stating his views on vaccinations. Not as a public statement per say, but in published interviews.)
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itsmeima




 
 
 
 

Post  Fri, Jul 31 2020, 3:16 pm
Cheiny wrote:
Sorry, I’m not a Rov. You should have a family Rabbi.


I do, but not for questions like these.

He'd think I've gone mad if I'd ask him who I should vote for 😅
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Fri, Jul 31 2020, 3:25 pm
itsmeima wrote:
I wonder what news channel they're listening to, Fox or CNN? 🤔

(They don't, they're busy learning Torah!)

Science and politics are two subjects I’d never ask a Rav.


So you believe in evolution because science does?

You believe a man is a woman if he says so because science does?
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Fri, Jul 31 2020, 3:28 pm
I don't think Rabbi Kaminetsky ever made a public recommendation for an election.

The very existence of the United States as a republic with freedoms such as
freedom of religion is at stake.

I hope people will at least give serious thought to voting for Trump due to
Rabbi Kanimetsky's plea.
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chanatron1000




 
 
 
 

Post  Fri, Jul 31 2020, 3:32 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
So you believe in evolution because science does?

You believe a man is a woman if he says so because science does?

Science doesn't actually say that at all.
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Cheiny




 
 
 
 

Post  Fri, Jul 31 2020, 3:44 pm
itsmeima wrote:
I do, but not for questions like these.

He'd think I've gone mad if I'd ask him who I should vote for 😅


I don’t think he’d believe you’d gone mad if you cited what Rav Kamenetsky said, and how you have concerns with it. A good Rov should be capable of answering all concerns from a Torah
perspective.
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Cheiny




 
 
 
 

Post  Fri, Jul 31 2020, 3:45 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
I don't think Rabbi Kaminetsky ever made a public recommendation for an election.

The very existence of the United States as a republic with freedoms such as
freedom of religion is at stake.

I hope people will at least give serious thought to voting for Trump due to
Rabbi Kanimetsky's plea.


I agree that if he felt the need to actually say this, he must be quite concerned about the dangers of the alternative to Trump indeed.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post  Fri, Jul 31 2020, 3:48 pm
Cheiny wrote:
I agree that if he felt the need to actually say this, he must be quite concerned about the dangers of the alternative to Trump indeed.


Yes, this is unprecedented.

Please take this seriously, people.

PS You don't have to tell anybody how you voted. It is between you and Hashem.
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Cheiny




 
 
 
 

Post  Fri, Jul 31 2020, 3:55 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
Yes, this is unprecedented.

Please take this seriously, people.

PS You don't have to tell anybody how you voted. It is between you and Hashem.


I agree it’s unprecedented. In the past, we had other Rabbonim including Rabbi Reisman, who said Jews must show hakaras hatov to Pres. Trump. But here Rav Kamenetsky seems to go much further and describes the dangers he feels are inevitable, and cites the violence happening around the country now, obviously being allowed and encouraged by the democrats..


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Cheiny




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Aug 02 2020, 12:37 pm
Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky: 'Worrisome' if Trump not elected
Leading haredi rabbi endorses Trump. 'G-d has become a dirty word in much of America, religion and religious institutions are their enemy.'

https://www.israelnationalnews.....84437
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mommy9




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Aug 02 2020, 1:30 pm
Cheiny wrote:
I agree that if he felt the need to actually say this, he must be quite concerned about the dangers of the alternative to Trump indeed.


Reb shmuel I's not the type to make these kind of proclamations. The interviewer schlepped it out of him. Anyone who knows him will agree.
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Cheiny




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Aug 02 2020, 1:43 pm
mommy9 wrote:
Reb shmuel I's not the type to make these kind of proclamations. The interviewer schlepped it out of him. Anyone who knows him will agree.


It’s extremely disrespectful and a wild assumption on your part to insinuate a Gadol of his caliber could be coaxed into saying something he didn’t want to.., his explanation for his comments make it clear that he’s well aware of the risky dangers of voting for Democrats and he felt it important to make his feelings known.

You’re right that it’s not like him to make these kind of proclamations, and since he did, that should make us realize even more that he’s absolutely frightened about the prospects of Biden and the Dems being given more power.
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mommy9




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Aug 02 2020, 1:48 pm
I don't disagree with what he said but I know he only said it because the interviewer asked him
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mommy9




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Aug 02 2020, 1:49 pm
No one coaxed him into saying something he doesn't mean. He just doesn't say these things on his own
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JG845




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Aug 02 2020, 1:53 pm
No longer a Shila. TRUMP2020
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number




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Aug 02 2020, 2:23 pm
mommy9 wrote:
Reb shmuel I's not the type to make these kind of proclamations. The interviewer schlepped it out of him. Anyone who knows him will agree.


There was a Kol korei r. Shmuel had signed. A relative had recently asked r. Shmuel a shaila and was told the exact opposite. He called the rosh yeshiva “I see you signed this kol korei?” R shmuel: “yes I just saw it too”

It’s a little funny but mostly sad.
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Cheiny




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Aug 02 2020, 2:33 pm
number wrote:
There was a Kol korei r. Shmuel had signed. A relative had recently asked r. Shmuel a shaila and was told the exact opposite. He called the rosh yeshiva “I see you signed this kol korei?” R shmuel: “yes I just saw it too”

It’s a little funny but mostly sad.


Are you saying you don’t believe he really made the remarks about the dangers of Dems getting power, and endorsing Trump?
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number




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Aug 02 2020, 2:44 pm
Cheiny wrote:
Are you saying you don’t believe he really made the remarks about the dangers of Dems getting power, and endorsing Trump?
Mommy9 seems to know the rosh yeshiva and based on her posts I’d guess the quotes are legit. Based on those same posts it sounds like they may have been taken out of context.

I’m saying that I don’t trust what I read.
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