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amother
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Post Tue, Aug 11 2020, 8:07 am
My 3yo old is very language delayed. He only speaks in simple sentences and mispronounce many of his words.
One of my other kids also spoke late but by 2 1/2 was normal.
I’m getting him evaluated. We are way behind on intervention because of financial constraints and the shut down.
I’m getting nervous and am curious to hear if other moms had late talkers what caused it? Did they just outgrow or was it a bigger problem?
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amother
Violet


 

Post Tue, Aug 11 2020, 8:08 am
My son didn't speak till later and then he had a speech issue where he would skip the beginning of each word. We had to have a speech therapist work with him till he was in 2nd grade. Bh now he speaks well.
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thunderstorm




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Aug 11 2020, 8:13 am
My oldest didn’t speak clearly at age three. He had hearing issues that developed to multiple ear infections and fluid in his ears. Once he got tubes in his ears , his speech improved.
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Simple1




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Aug 11 2020, 8:17 am
My kids were late talkers. I assumed it was because I'm not such a big talker myself and they say shmoozing with your baby helps with their language development.
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FranticFrummie




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Aug 11 2020, 8:22 am
Boys are far more likely than girls to be late talkers. The Gemara says that 9/10th of speech was given to women, so that makes sense!

There is absolutely no way any of us can say for sure what is going on with your son.

This is definitely a question for a developmental pediatrician. It could be global delays, auditory processing disorder, needing ear tubes, hearing aids, speech and language therapy, or possibly Autism.

Remember, Einstein didn't speak until he was past 4 years old. All the doctors urged his parents to put him in an institution, because he was "[crazy]". B'H his parents didn't listen, and trusted their parental instincts!
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amother
Sapphire


 

Post Tue, Aug 11 2020, 8:28 am
Mine were late talkers and needed speech therapy for various issues. As long as your child understands what people are saying, you shouldn't be worried. Get your child speech therapy and he'll catch up.

Btw, if your child already speaks a bit, you may not get approved for therapy. If that's the case, it would be worth it to pay a couple of sessions so a speech therapist can teach you some pointers how to work with your child.

Another option is to take your child to a speech clinic like Touro. They have students working with your child, overseen by supervisors and do a really good job for most kids.
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amother
Chartreuse


 

Post Tue, Aug 11 2020, 8:46 am
My oldest was a late talker, he really didn't talk much until almost 4. He is autistic, though very high functioning. He's almost 10 now and bh doing well with various therapies. I will tell you this, a lot of people gave me stories about all the kids they know who didn't talk till 4 and it was nothing and I really didn't find it helpful. Frankly, most of the time, there is something going on. I'm glad you're working on getting it checked out, even if circumstances outside of your control are making that harder right now. It's really important to figure out what's going on and get him what he needs.

Regarding the Einstein story, it's a nice story, but it's well known that Einstein was probably autistic. Not that there's anything wrong with that, obviously he did fine in life as many autistic people do, but just, it's a little grating to hear that story used as a "and everything was fine" story. Everything wasn't fine. He suffered tremendously in his youth from bullying by peers and abuse by teachers. Nowadays, he would have gotten a diagnosis and help and would have had a decent chance at avoiding that suffering.
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amother
Sapphire


 

Post Tue, Aug 11 2020, 8:59 am
If a child is not talking properly at 4, it should be taken care of. Not being able to communicate properly has an impact on everything else.
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amother
Wheat


 

Post Tue, Aug 11 2020, 9:01 am
Is he home most of the time?
I found that once my daughter started going to daycare with a morah and peers her age (vs nanny/ sitter set up) she started talking a lot more.
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FranticFrummie




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Aug 11 2020, 9:08 am
amother [ Chartreuse ] wrote:
My oldest was a late talker, he really didn't talk much until almost 4. He is autistic, though very high functioning. He's almost 10 now and bh doing well with various therapies. I will tell you this, a lot of people gave me stories about all the kids they know who didn't talk till 4 and it was nothing and I really didn't find it helpful. Frankly, most of the time, there is something going on. I'm glad you're working on getting it checked out, even if circumstances outside of your control are making that harder right now. It's really important to figure out what's going on and get him what he needs.

Regarding the Einstein story, it's a nice story, but it's well known that Einstein was probably autistic. Not that there's anything wrong with that, obviously he did fine in life as many autistic people do, but just, it's a little grating to hear that story used as a "and everything was fine" story. Everything wasn't fine. He suffered tremendously in his youth from bullying by peers and abuse by teachers. Nowadays, he would have gotten a diagnosis and help and would have had a decent chance at avoiding that suffering.


I agree with all of this. One of my sister's boys didn't start talking until he was past 3, and he has Asperger's. Her other boy was also a late talker, and he's HFA. That's why I listed Autism as a possible cause, and encouraged her to see a pediatric specialist.

I'm glad to hear that your son is doing well. My landlord lives upstairs, and his oldest child is completely non verbal, and lives in his own world. He comes home for Shabbos and Yom Tov from his care home. He lights up if you say "hi" to him. I think it's the only time he really acknowledges anyone even exists around him. He's always so gentle and happy. He's a really delightful kid. Not all non verbal Autistic kids have such a good life.
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amother
Honeydew


 

Post Tue, Aug 11 2020, 9:37 am
amother [ OP ] wrote:
My 3yo old is very language delayed. He only speaks in simple sentences and mispronounce many of his words.
One of my other kids also spoke late but by 2 1/2 was normal.
I’m getting him evaluated. We are way behind on intervention because of financial constraints and the shut down.
I’m getting nervous and am curious to hear if other moms had late talkers what caused it? Did they just outgrow or was it a bigger problem?


I'm an EI SLP.
Your insurance should have covered EI intervention. There are numerous reasons why a baby might not begin to talk. "Outgrowing it" doesn't always happen if there's an underlying condition that has not been resolved.

How is your baby's comprehension?

What you can do until you get help and intervention, is make sure you're talking to him constantly! Always tell him what you're doing. "Mommys going to wash the dishes now!" "Yummy dinner, lets eat some pasta. What are we eating? pasta!" Things like that.
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amother
Chartreuse


 

Post Tue, Aug 11 2020, 10:25 am
FranticFrummie wrote:
I agree with all of this. One of my sister's boys didn't start talking until he was past 3, and he has Asperger's. Her other boy was also a late talker, and he's HFA. That's why I listed Autism as a possible cause, and encouraged her to see a pediatric specialist.

I'm glad to hear that your son is doing well. My landlord lives upstairs, and his oldest child is completely non verbal, and lives in his own world. He comes home for Shabbos and Yom Tov from his care home. He lights up if you say "hi" to him. I think it's the only time he really acknowledges anyone even exists around him. He's always so gentle and happy. He's a really delightful kid. Not all non verbal Autistic kids have such a good life.


We sometimes joke now that my son's speech therapists from over the years did their jobs a little too well, lol. He'll talk your ears off about his hyper focused interests. Because he gets help for social stuff, he has a few friends and is not a target for bullies even though he does come off as a bit weird. I do credit the fact that we got on this early and didn't try to wait for him to grow out of it as so many people (including the pediatrician we used at the time) encouraged us to do. Fact is, OP's child is at an age where this is cause for concern. Better to get on it as soon as possible, the earlier you start, the better the outcomes in terms of eventual functioning and communication ability.
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amother
Violet


 

Post Tue, Aug 11 2020, 10:36 am
I responded above that my son was a very late speaker. Just wanted to say that iyh your could will be speaking hopefully! I remember clearly when my son was probably seven or eight years old, It was yelling very very very chutzpadikly. I was at my parents house, and was a little bit embarrassed. And generally he's a hard child and this was a little over the top. My mother started laughing, and said BH he can day all this! Remember when we were so scared that he wouldn't speak!
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amother
cornflower


 

Post Tue, Aug 11 2020, 10:43 am
OP, it is good that you have gotten the ball rolling.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to concurrently set up a hearing test for your son.
Also, as someone above mentioned, until you have him in therapy (and also once he has started), talk to him a lot.
Exaggerate your facial expressions and your intonations to engage his attention.
If he only uses one word utterances, model with two.
For example: If he says "milk".
You can repeat after him "want milk".

Here are a few tips: https://www.nspt4kids.com/pare.....nces/

(In answer to your questions though, one child never received any diagnosis - he was simply delayed, and improved greatly with therapy - but didn't continue passed 3. The other is on the spectrum, and also talks well now. He wasn't granted adequate therapy by the evaluators, so we supplemented with private therapists.)
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amother
Pink


 

Post Tue, Aug 11 2020, 11:10 am
I had three kids in speech therapy at that age, for three different reasons.

One had hearing issues that she outgrew.

One was just generally behind. I'm not sure why. It happened in a lot of areas with this kid, they'd be delayed, and then just when it started to get really worrying, everything would suddenly fall into place. BH a bright kid and currently at grade level if not above.

One has high-functioning autism, and also had a mild hearing problem.
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amother
Magenta


 

Post Tue, Aug 11 2020, 11:10 am
My brother started speaking late. It was due to numerous ear infections that impacted his hearing. Once the infections stopped, he caught up and was fine verbally.
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amother
cornflower


 

Post Tue, Aug 11 2020, 11:17 am
Also, I have a friend who's child had verbal apraxia. It affects coordination of speech muscles - often there will be vowel and consonant distortions. Speech therapy did an amazing job for her.
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amother
OP


 

Post Tue, Aug 11 2020, 7:05 pm
OP here
Thank you all for the responses!
We ruled out hearing issues and are pursuing treatment now.
I was curious about how it all turned out for others.
I appreciate all the tips. Unfortunately am not living in the US so services are not so readily available.
I’m the kind of mom that reads to my kids as much as I can and have been working on getting him to draw out and properly pronounce his words. I thought it would be enough because it was with one of my other kids but sadly I was mistaken.
I am scared of a diagnosis. He is so sweet and happy and brings us so much joy I’d be devastated to have him perceived negatively by others.
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amother
Babypink


 

Post Wed, Aug 12 2020, 7:59 am
Is he bilingual? We speak English at home and my daughter goes to a Hebrew speaking maon and she's speech delayed, but the nurses at Tipat Chalav say she's fine for a bilingual child because it takes them longer.
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amother
Smokey


 

Post Wed, Aug 12 2020, 8:54 am
Methylation issues. Supplementing b12 and folate increased speech exponentially over here.
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