The Word is DRAWER

perquacky

Tue, Sep 22 2020, 12:12 am

zaq wrote:

Years ago I had a friend who lived on Casino Boulevard. Not till I went to visit did I discover it was Kissena Boulevard. I assumed she was just tawking lazy like a Noo Yawka who plays the piana. When I repeated the directions and said "OK, so I tell the driver to make a right onto Casino Boulevard" my friend didn't correct me, either.

Ha! That's hysterical. I grew up in that neighborhood and never once heard anyone pronounce "Kissena" as "Casino"! Truth be told, the correct pronunciation is with a short "e" (KISSENA, as opposed to KISSEENA), although no one says it that way. But even if we all pronounced it properly, New Yorkers would find a way to butcher that too.

Years ago my mother asked a friend who had a very strong NY accent to recommend stores in Brooklyn to shop for teen girls' clothing. Her friend kept telling her to try Le Barn. My mother couldn't believe there could be a clothing store with such a ridiculous name, and she was right. When we got there, the name on the awning read LE BON. (Which brings to mind the chain Dress Barn, but that's a topic for another thread about stores with horrible names.)

FranticFrummie

Tue, Sep 22 2020, 6:07 am

Dialects have always fascinated me. I had a great grandmother from Arkansas.

A man's pants are drawers (drarhs).
A boy's pants are britches.
(Underpants are "unmentionables"! LOL

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Folded clothing belongs in a bureau (not dresser).
Hanging clothing goes in the wardrobe (not closet).
A sofa is a davenport. (sounds frum, it works for me!)
Rich people have verandas. Middle class people have porches. Poor people have "stoops".

Steamed or boiled swiss chard, beet tops, mustard leaves, or kale - it's all called "a mess o' greens" no matter what type of plant it is. You eat it with Hellman's mayonnaise.

Great, now I'm craving fried okra. See what you've done to me! Very Happy

FranticFrummie

Tue, Sep 22 2020, 6:09 am

Oh, and a person who draws is not a drawer. In graphic arts, they are referred to as "line artists."

A drawer is what goes in the bureau, to hold your unmentionables. Wink

A PAIR of drawers is still men's pants.

imasinger

Tue, Sep 22 2020, 6:15 am

My recent pet peeve word is "hypocrisy."

I feel like giving a gold star to anyone who spells it right, regardless of whether I agree with their views on Covid, politics, or whatever.

moonstone

Tue, Sep 22 2020, 7:03 am

Reality wrote:

Yes. I have trained myself to pronounce the "r" at the end of drawer. But growing up I had NO idea that there was an r at the end of the word!

That's interesting, so you never read the word in books?

shanie5

Tue, Sep 22 2020, 10:13 am

Raisin wrote:

my pet peeve is "should of" instead of "should have".

I should have put my socks in the drawer. Not I should of put my socks in the draw.

should've is what they mean. A contraction of should have.

zaq

Tue, Sep 22 2020, 1:05 pm

FranticFrummie wrote:

A PAIR of drawers is still men's pants.

"Drawers" in the sense of underwear refers to both men's and women's. And "pants" are underwear only in Britain. In the US, "pants" are trousers or slacks. You would not tell a man "feel free to wear drawers and a sports jacket" unless you were referring to the annual No-Pants Subway Ride in which people shed their trousers (but hopefully not their undergarments) to ride the subway.

"Bloomers" otoh, are strictly women's, so named in honor of suffragist Amelia Bloomer who advocated reform in women's dress and adopted a costume consisting of a short tunic-like dress over loose trousers gathered at the ankle.

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zaq

Tue, Sep 22 2020, 1:14 pm

FranticFrummie wrote:

Rich people have verandas. Middle class people have porches. Poor people have "stoops".

Very Happy

A stoop is technically not a porch, which is a (usually) roofed structure attached to a house. A stoop is a set of steps between the entrance to a house and the sidewalk, though a porch can have a stoop of its own. Do they use this word in Arkansas? It's from Dutch and therefore was commonly used in former Dutch colonies like New York.

lilies

Tue, Sep 22 2020, 1:23 pm

zaq wrote:

Actually, no. In Yiddish, as in many other languages, an M followed by a T is pronounced like an NT. It's spelled Yomtov but the correct pronunciation is, in fact, Yontiff.

Not very different from the English "handkerchief". You don't call it a hand-ker-cheef, do you? It's pronounced hankerchiff, and if you called it a handkerchief people would know you for a furriner.

Can you give some more examples where that applies?
Kimts aher is pronounced as is.

ExtraCredit

Tue, Sep 22 2020, 1:28 pm

lilies wrote:

Can you give some more examples where that applies?
Kimts aher is pronounced as is.

I hardly know Yiddish words that have a T following M. Most are N to begin with. I can think of emtlich (wouldn’t even know how to define it exactly. Maybe officially?) Anything else?
Ps Yom tov is not Yiddish anyway. And Shem tov doesn’t become shentif Wink

So it should really stay yumtiv if anything. No clue why it would turn into tiv from tov though. Oy the daagos we have... wait some would pronounce it dangas. Why the N?
Wow this is endless.

imaima

Tue, Sep 22 2020, 1:29 pm

zaq wrote:

how can handkerchief be an example that visualizes yontiff? Can't Believe It

ExtraCredit

Tue, Sep 22 2020, 1:36 pm

DS asked a brilliant question: some people pronounce Lakewood as “Lakewoor (roll the R, chassidish version)”. Fraigt zich a shaila, Where did the D from Lakewood go? It went to Mondroe!

(For those who don’t get it, I apologize in advance. It’s only funny if you chap without explanations.)

zaq

Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:46 pm

ExtraCredit wrote:

If I’m pondering an extra N already. Who created the N in Yankev, Yanky if the name is yaakov?

The true pronunciation of an ayin --as said by edot hamizrach--is a deep glottal sound that you can make by sort of retracting your throat downwards--something like what happens just before your breakfast comes forcefully back up. In old-time chumashim with English translation it's spelled NG, like parashat Metzorang or Behangalotecha. The almost-G is not strong the way it is in LawnGuyland. If you say Yaakov quickly with that ayin, it sounds something like Yaangkov which morphs into Yankov.

ExtraCredit

Tue, Sep 22 2020, 3:55 pm

zaq wrote:

Hmmm that is really interesting, and the breakfast mashal was spot on!
Now how does this translate into daagos being pronounced Dangos if there’s no ayin? Perhaps that happens just before the lunch comes back up?

Reality

Tue, Sep 22 2020, 4:03 pm

moonstone wrote:

That's interesting, so you never read the word in books?

I have always been an avid reader. I don't think the word drawer comes up so frequently in books. And if and when it did I never connected the two.

But live and learn!!

zaq

Tue, Sep 22 2020, 4:14 pm

ExtraCredit wrote:

I never heard it pronounced that way--I hear it as daiges, rhymes with Hi, Gus.