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amother




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Post  Tue, Oct 27 2020, 11:33 am
https://vosizneias.com/2020/10.....ions/

I find it interesting that this is discussed as a surprise and "epidemic," as I think this has been going on for a while, and all over the world.
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imasoftov




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Oct 27 2020, 11:45 am
From the article: Rabbi Shimon M. says that prominent rabbis encourage their students to gain a Torah profession as sofrim or mohalim. He sees this as a tragedy, since “it will reach the stage that yeshiva won’t be a default but just another framework. When you provide an alternative, you change the yeshiva from the only place for young chareidim to just another option.First they’ll study to be mohalim but then they’ll say: Why not hi-tech?Why not the army? What’s so wrong with it? This will ruin yeshivos.”
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shabbatiscoming




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Oct 27 2020, 11:49 am
amother [ OP ] wrote:
https://vosizneias.com/2020/10/27/study-chareidi-yeshiva-dropouts-represent-spiritual-epidemic-of-huge-proportions/

I find it interesting that this is discussed as a surprise and "epidemic," as I think this has been going on for a while, and all over the world.
This has been going on for years. It most probably got worse because of covid, but health comes first, not worrying about a kollel frame work. And the boys/men could always try to figure out other ways to learn, not in the kollels.
I think many dont want to sit and learn anymore. And have no idea what to do with themselves once they leave that frame work. It unfortunately goes from one extreme to another. There is just no middle ground.
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zaq




 
 
 
 

Post  Tue, Oct 27 2020, 2:13 pm
imasoftov wrote:
From the article: Rabbi Shimon M. says that prominent rabbis encourage their students to gain a Torah profession as sofrim or mohalim. He sees this as a tragedy, since “it will reach the stage that yeshiva won’t be a default but just another framework. When you provide an alternative, you change the yeshiva from the only place for young chareidim to just another option.First they’ll study to be mohalim but then they’ll say: Why not hi-tech?Why not the army? What’s so wrong with it? This will ruin yeshivos.”


Get your tomatoes ready. IMO the bolded is not just a good thing but an excellent thing. Young men should be in yeshiva because that's what they really, really want to do, not because that's their only option.

You are aware that most of the Tannaim and Amoraim had trades and professions, right? Whether they managed their family's business assets, farmed or repaired shoes, they were employed in some fashion.
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amother




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Post  Tue, Oct 27 2020, 2:20 pm
zaq wrote:
Get your tomatoes ready. IMO the bolded is not just a good thing but an excellent thing. Young men should be in yeshiva because that's what they really, really want to do, not because that's their only option.

You are aware that most of the Tannaim and Amoraim had trades and professions, right? Whether they managed their family's business assets, farmed or repaired shoes, they were employed in some fashion.

Blasphemy!!!!

Yes. They all had jobs, made a parnassah, and supported their families. They would never get a shidduch for their daughters in today's environment.
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