Staying In Israel for less than 2 weeks

amother

Copper

Sun, Nov 08 2020, 1:20 pm

If you have a valid reason to be there and would stay in quarantine the whole time, I would ask Chaim vaChesed. But I'm confused as to what that reason would be. For all the reasons I know of, you would be planning to interact with others.

Scratch that- the only reason I can think of would be to escort someone who is allowed to be going, like a student. We asked, and were told we can't do that.

amother

Teal

Sun, Nov 08 2020, 2:07 pm

amother [ OP ] wrote:

No, someone is trying to go to visit someone and then go right back since can't stay for two weeks. He can quarantine in their house and visit for a couple of days before heading back.

He can't just go visit unless it's for a reason the government will accept. And he cannot quarantine in their house while they are there. That wouldn't be called quarantining.

Rappel

Sun, Nov 08 2020, 2:10 pm

amother [ OP ] wrote:

No, someone is trying to go to visit someone and then go right back since can't stay for two weeks. He can quarantine in their house and visit for a couple of days before heading back.

Sigh. When we looked into this back in August, the rules were: no, and if you break quarantine (including flying back early) then you are subject to heavy fines and being barred from Israel next time you want to visit.

Anyway, in order to gain a visa you have to buy your ticket first, and sign a paper saying you plan on quarantining 2 weeks and where, among many other papers.

I wish I could tell you different, OP.

However, the vaccine horizon is rapidly approaching. Whether effective or not, that will be a watershed moment for coronavirus policy. If I were this person, I would wait until the end of December and see what has changed.

Amarante

Sun, Nov 08 2020, 2:10 pm

amother [ OP ] wrote:

No, someone is trying to go to visit someone and then go right back since can't stay for two weeks. He can quarantine in their house and visit for a couple of days before heading back.

Wouldn’t that force everyone in the household to also have to quarantine.

My understanding of quarantine is that you are isolated from interacting with anyone and so anyone you interact with would also be potentially infectious.

Genuinely curious as I assumed quarantine was meant to prevent spreading

LovesHashem

Sun, Nov 08 2020, 2:13 pm

amother [ OP ] wrote:

No, someone is trying to go to visit someone and then go right back since can't stay for two weeks. He can quarantine in their house and visit for a couple of days before heading back.

Legally he can't leave the room to even hand out with the people he is visiting.
So honestly sounds kinda stupid to me. Unless which I assume he doesn't care and will hang out with the people he is visiting - and if those people are high risk or elderly this is even MORE of a stupid idea.

Yes you can get barred for visiting Israel again if you break laws.

Pls just don't.

LovesHashem

Sun, Nov 08 2020, 3:43 pm

amother [ Ginger ] wrote:

How does it work with grandmothers going to help their daughters when giving birth. They will obviously ‘quarantine‘ in the apartment the whole two weeks they are there but will obviously be interacting with the people there as that is the reason they are going?

Again such a STUPID IDEA to get off a plane and go straight to a newborn and postpartum mom. Like what the heck is wrong some people? I have family members who are high risk and if anyone has thought of flying to visit it would mean two weeks or quarantining alone and then a week or two with them.

Now legally you may be able to quarantine with the family but that means if you don’t have a separate room the entire family must quarantine with you as well. And again putting hi risk people in danger.

And that is the problem especially when people quarantine with others, without their own room and the rest of the family continues to go out and spreads corona to everywhere else

Please keep your corona and your stupidity out of my country so things can remain open and I can have a life again.

WitchKitty

Sun, Nov 08 2020, 4:10 pm

https://www.gov.il/en/departme.....dex=5

"Stay in a separate, well-ventilated room with a closed door."

You can't be with anybody while quarantining. I think you Americans just do not get it. Quarantine is staying away from people. We don't care if "people" is your daughter who just gave birth, or your son on Yeshiva, or your grandmother's sister-in-law's cousin's wife.
The police come to check and you have to show them that you have your own room with a separate bathroom.
This is thread #300 about the same exact thing. You all think you're the only one with the bright idea of coming to "quarantine" together with the person you're visiting.
Well, we don't care. It's illegal. It's also against everything we're trying to do. We all have either been in quarantine at some point or had someone in the family who has. We've all done it. We've managed, because rules are rules are laws and these laws make SENSE, because you're not interested in getting anyone sick if you might be- even if you usually aren't!!
Now I'm going to copy and paste this post into the other 299 posters before you who also think that coming to Israel doing a pandemic is a great idea.

shabbatiscoming

Sun, Nov 08 2020, 4:20 pm

amother [ Ginger ] wrote:

No, they can not do that. You must quarantine ALONE for 2 weeks, not with other people. ANd especially not a PP mother and new born baby.

shabbatiscoming

Sun, Nov 08 2020, 4:21 pm

amother [ OP ] wrote:

No, someone is trying to go to visit someone and then go right back since can't stay for two weeks. He can quarantine in their house and visit for a couple of days before heading back.

NO, you have to quarantine away from everyone else, so in order to visit with this person, the visitor would first have to be able to quarantine for the two weeks and only then visit with whom they came to visit.

amother

Orchid

Sun, Nov 08 2020, 4:22 pm

WitchKitty wrote:

https://www.gov.il/en/departments/guides/corona-quarantine?chapterIndex=5

"Stay in a separate, well-ventilated room with a closed door."

You can't be with anybody while quarantining. I think you Americans just do not get it. Quarantine is staying away from people. We don't care if "people" is your daughter who just gave birth, or your son on Yeshiva, or your grandmother's sister-in-law's cousin's wife.
The police come to check and you have to show them that you have your own room with a separate bathroom.
This is thread #300 about the same exact thing. You all think you're the only one with the bright idea of coming to "quarantine" together with the person you're visiting.
Well, we don't care. It's illegal. It's also against everything we're trying to do. We all have either been in quarantine at some point or had someone in the family who has. We've all done it. We've managed, because rules are rules are laws and these laws make SENSE, because you're not interested in getting anyone sick if you might be- even if you usually aren't!!
Now I'm going to copy and paste this post into the other 299 posters before you who also think that coming to Israel doing a pandemic is a great idea.

So please explain to me why Israeli's are free to come and go to the US as they please? Why is it OK for Israeli's to come to the US for simcha's without quarantining thereby bringing Covid with them???? The rates are way higher in Israel than in NY. Israeli's don't want "those" people from the US to chas v'shalom infect them, yet they don't think twice about going to the US and infecting others.

shabbatiscoming

Sun, Nov 08 2020, 4:28 pm

amother [ Orchid ] wrote:

So please explain to me why Israeli's are free to come and go to the US as they please? Why is it OK for Israeli's to come to the US for simcha's without quarantining thereby bringing Covid with them???? The rates are higher in NY than in Israel. Israeli's don't want "those" people from the US to chas v'shalom infect them, yet they don't think twice about going to the US and infecting others.

People coming into certain places in america is american policy, not israels. People not coming into israel is israel's policy, not americans. Does that make things easier to undrstand?

amother

Orchid

Sun, Nov 08 2020, 4:29 pm

Elfrida wrote:

Americas laws (and the observance thereof) are up to them. Those Israelis have to quarantine when they get home.

Yeah, I know they do. But Israeli's coming to NY now for simcha's just means that they care only about themselves and couldn't care less about spreading infection. I don't understand why travel out of Israel is allowed now.

amother

Orchid

Sun, Nov 08 2020, 4:30 pm

shabbatiscoming wrote:

People coming into certain places in america is american policy, not israels. People not coming into israel is israel's policy, not americans. Does that make things easier to undrstand?

I understand that. I'm just talking from a menchlichkeit point of view. I think it's pretty selfish of Israeli's to be traveling to NY now.
Lovehashem posted "Please keep your stupidity out of my country", as if Americans are disease ridden. I wonder if she thinks the same of Israeli's going to the US right now. Are Israeli's traveling to America without quarantining also stupid or only Americans that want to go to Israel and quarantine are stupid?