Black People Exempt from Mandatory Vaccine

#BestBubby

Tue, Dec 08 2020, 1:20 pm

simcha2 wrote:

If you get a privilege based on religion that effects other people?

(And did you try and link flu vaccine in an adult with autism?)

the constitution specifically protects religious freedom.

no constitutional protection based on race and you know it.

gold21

Tue, Dec 08 2020, 1:31 pm

simcha2 wrote:

You are clearly not open to any interpretation than the one you assign. This whole post is designed to mislead, from the forum it is in (this whole thing only applies to the flu vaccine, nothing to do with covid), to the reading of text that simply isn't there.

You want to feel victimized, go ahead.

But this whole situation doesn't hurt you. Cornell acknowledging a history of medical abuse and inequality, doesn't take anything away from you.

Cornell encouraging flu vaccines doesn't hurt you.

Cornell allowing BIPOC students to apply for an exemption (whether they get one or not) doesn't hurt you. The same way your applying for a religious exemption doesn't take anything away from anyone else.

What is it with the need to be a victim?

Your last question is often asked of those who propogate the idea that all black people in the US today descend from slaves, and thereby suffered historical injustices that white people in the US today, who all descend from slave owners, are responsible for.

Obviously, many black people in the US today are not descendants of slaves and were not directly impacted by it, and many white people in the US today immigrated to the country after 1865. So why the need to identify all black people as victims?

Anyway, NY doesn't allow religious exemption. Isn't Cornell in NY?

simcha2

Tue, Dec 08 2020, 1:57 pm

gold21 wrote:

But this wording on the website doesn't identify all black people as victims.

#BestBubby is saying she is being victimized.

And I'm attaching the NY info re religious exemptions.

gold21

Tue, Dec 08 2020, 2:03 pm

simcha2 wrote:

But this wording on the website doesn't identify all black people as victims.

#BestBubby is saying she is being victimized.

And I'm attaching the NY info re religious exemptions.

Interesting. NY removed it's religious exemption 2 years ago, in the spring/summer time.

#BestBubby

Tue, Dec 08 2020, 2:03 pm

amother [ Coffee ] wrote:

No, they're offering them information to consider if they want to request an exemption. that is not the same thing as offering an exemption.

then why does cornell write there is an exemption?

amother

White

Tue, Dec 08 2020, 2:10 pm

simcha2 wrote:

But this wording on the website doesn't identify all black people as victims.

#BestBubby is saying she is being victimized.

And I'm attaching the NY info re religious exemptions.

A religious exemption doesnt exclude poc, many of whom are religious. A racial exemption excludes Jews who are perceived as "white" instead of a separate minority class (which legally Jews are a separate and protected race but that is disregarded). And before you start with the typical argument that Judaism is a "religion", how do you classify Jews who are not religious? Yes, many Jews choose to be religious whether its reform, conservative, orthodox, chasidish, etc but you dont have to be religious to be Jewish. And if you dont have to be religious to be Jewish then the argument that Judaism is a "religion" is not valid. Therefore, Jews, who are a separate and protected minority based on race, are being racially discriminated against by not including them in the racial exemption.

simcha2

Tue, Dec 08 2020, 2:15 pm

amother [ White ] wrote:

I'll answer you, even though I generally don't respond to amothers on threads such as these.

I don't think jews are white (I check "other" when asked for race).

So I don't know what you are arguing.

gold21

Tue, Dec 08 2020, 2:19 pm

amother [ White ] wrote:

Jewish people don't have the religious exemption to rely on in NY anymore.

That's why many anti vaxxers moved out of state, or made aliya, this past year. Many states do still offer religious exemption, and vaccines aren't mandated in Israel.

amother

Denim

Tue, Dec 08 2020, 2:19 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

the constitution specifically protects religious freedom.

no constitutional protection based on race and you know it.

Religious freedom, because racial freedom isn't a thing. People are just born to a race. Giving religious people rights that others do not have is not religious freedom.

SixOfWands

Tue, Dec 08 2020, 2:37 pm

pause wrote:

Semantics.
Black people can get an exemption based on emotions while white people can only get one based on science/medical reasons.

Why you aren't outraged at this distinction is the bigger question here because my blood is boiling.

Because whites weren't purposely lied to about a syphilis diagnosis by the US government, and not treated, in order to study its effects. Remember that the study went on until the 1970s.

(While many sources say that the men already had syphilis, others claim that they were deliberately infected, which many blacks believe today. It makes many wary of injections.)

Amarante

Tue, Dec 08 2020, 2:57 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

the constitution specifically protects religious freedom.

no constitutional protection based on race and you know it.

There is a specific constitutional protection for race. The 14th amendment provides this protection as race has been well established as requiring strict scrutiny just as religion.

So no constitutional scholar *knows this* because it is not a correct understanding of constitutional law.

pause

Tue, Dec 08 2020, 3:09 pm

simcha2 wrote:

Plenty of people would say a religious exemption is based on emotion or choice. (I see you carefully omitted that from your post).

Why should I be outraged by this? Acknowledging a reluctance to vaccinate, encouraging people to vaccinate anyway.

BTW, it doesn't limit who can ask for a special exemption, nor does it say it will be granted.

AFAIK religious exemptions are based on religion. Medical exemptions are based on medical history. What are these "black" exemptions based on? Skin color history. And that's why you should be outraged by this.

Amarante

Tue, Dec 08 2020, 3:16 pm

pause wrote:

There isn’t a medical exemption that is being granted. Just click bait title and a misreading of the policy.

And there are definitely medical conditions that are linked to race, ethnicity and relations. It is something that is overlooked by some medical practitioners and so level of care isn’t as good as it might be.

suremom

Tue, Dec 08 2020, 3:21 pm

pause wrote:

But if anyone can identify with poc, we can all be exempt Hiding