Shloime Zionce and Peter Santanello series on Chassidim

amother

Teal

Tue, Jan 12 2021, 11:44 am

We don't invite guest on a regular basis but from time to time (like once every 2-3 years we find a need. And then we try to encourage guest to join in zemeiros be part of mizimon....wash before benching but we want our guest to feel comfortable we once had a family member over wife said in there very chasidish williamsburg house they don't sing husband has a low voice he can't carry a tune, they had 3 young kids oldest was 6. Very little Torah too.)
In one part of the video I see a little girl showing somone or the camera her weekly pictures. It's possible with guest or non frum guest things were q bit different. It could be if they had just lip a there conversation would be in yiddish, a rabbi there more divrei torah like others say who cares point is these people look frum were streimal, long pesos. Dressed for the most part like frum jews. We are all grouped together anyways so let them see there are friendly jews in the world. Its better this way. If you won't talk to Peter let the non jews think that's your problem and not a jewish crazy thing to cause anti semetism

amother

Seashell

Tue, Jan 12 2021, 11:45 am

amother [ cornflower ] wrote:

Lol. My husband shaves and I wear a nice long wig. I kind of look similar to shternie in the video so no, there's no hate here from me. Just having a discussion.

The chassidish way always was to be close to a Rebbe and follow in his ways. And follow his advice and guidelines. A lot of chilled chassidim these days just wear the shtreimel and like to be part of the community they grew up in but don't have connection to a Rebbe or mentor. So no, these are not the mainstream chassidim.

The typical chossid will call up his Rebbe or go to his tisch. Will sometimes travel from abroad to be there yomim toivim.

The connection of anyone in this video or lack of a connection to a Rebbe seems to be outside the scope of what was covered.

amother

Puce

Tue, Jan 12 2021, 11:51 am

amother [ cornflower ] wrote:

So I'm confused. Are you Chassidish or not?

amother

cornflower

Tue, Jan 12 2021, 11:59 am

amother [ Puce ] wrote:

So I'm confused. Are you Chassidish or not?

I didn't claim to be affiliated with any crowd on this thread so there should be no confusion.

Even though I argue a point, doesn't mean I live my life that way. Or I could be describing my life.

I dont understand why women here can't have a normal discussion without personal biases being brought in.

I very often argue against the way I live just because a fact is a fact and just because I do otherwise, it doesn't change a situation.

honeymoon

Tue, Jan 12 2021, 12:24 pm

I've been watching Peter's videos since he started his series on Chassidim. He is absolutely the most unbiased, open minded, journalist out there.

For those who are saying that he is not covering the more stringent chassidim, he has a great video with a guy from Williamsburg and his adorable son with his broken English. Very refreshing.

He has one on 'women in hasidism' in Boro Park and another one with rabbi Manis Friedman on intimacy in Judaism. There are a lot more which showcase literally every sect of chassidish life. He certainly has a variety to watch.

I was sad to see that he won't be doing any more videos about chassidim. Its nice see us portrayed in a positive light here and there.

peacenine

Tue, Jan 12 2021, 12:42 pm

amother [ Smokey ] wrote:

You think these people look like typical heimish chassidish family from pupa, belz, satmar, klausenbarg, viznitz?

Sorry to disappoint you but chasidish come in all stripes and colors. The bal shem tov didnt say anything about how people should dress.
Btw I grew up in one of the chasidus you mention above and married to a diff chasidus mentioned above and dont look too different. And no I am not ex chasidish this is how my family and my in laws dress as well.

amother

Blush

Tue, Jan 12 2021, 12:46 pm

amother [ Ruby ] wrote:

I disagree with that, you would find this in every place you mentioned maybe besides monroe.

Whats with the fixation of Monroe?
Every very chassidish enclave is about the same..Union City, New Square, Gibbers, and Bobov doesnt have their village, but they are as chassidish or more than Satmar sometimes. I dont get the "satmar" point out every time.
First off, most husbands and wives don't sit at the opposite ends. Mother usually sits on the side.
Disclaimer, I am Satmar.. not kj.. my husbamd is traditional as can get.. he thought the couple sitting at the head was beautiful..

honeymoon

Tue, Jan 12 2021, 1:00 pm

I'm chassidish and I found the video to be beautiful and genuine. My heart swelled when I read the positive comments.

Shternie seems to be an amazing woman who pulled off a beautiful Shabbos meal. Kol hakovod. And my mouth watered at the sight of that amazing pecan pie...

amother

Seashell

Tue, Jan 12 2021, 1:03 pm

amother [ cornflower ] wrote:

It seems that your portrayal of the facts has been challenged in this thread.

amother

Royalblue

Tue, Jan 12 2021, 1:22 pm

peacenine wrote:

If I may add to your post well said;

The Ba'al Shem Tov valued every single yid, especially the simplton. The earnest and piousness of a person was what mattered.

A poster claiming whether or not this family is Chassidish --when clearly they identify as such-- must check in with their Chassidic origins, its trendsetter, and use the opportunity to realign.

Divisions and labels cause sinas chinam rch"l. A Chassid focuses on unity.

amother

cornflower

Tue, Jan 12 2021, 1:27 pm

amother [ Seashell ] wrote:

It seems that your portrayal of the facts has been challenged in this thread.

And that's ok. But don't call my opinions 'hate'

We may not agree on this subject but that's different than hate.

Posters call out other posters sometimes in this manner just because theres another opinion.

amother

Seashell

Tue, Jan 12 2021, 1:38 pm

amother [ cornflower ] wrote:

And that's ok. But don't call my opinions 'hate'

We may but agree on this subject but that's different than hate.

Posters call out other posters sometimes in this manner just because theres another opinion.

Its not really okay if an outsider is coming in and giving facts that aren't facts...especially when those "facts" are not complementary. I can understand that to be hateful.

nchr

Tue, Jan 12 2021, 2:01 pm

amother [ Blush ] wrote:

Some wives do sit next to the husband, but that is practically impossible once you have more than a few children and/or married children and certainly impossible with guests. It just isn't appropriate for a shvigger to sit across her eidim and certainly not across her guest. Under these circumstances you'll have mean toward the head, with the women on the other side.

I sit at the other end of the table, with the lecht in front of me, as does my mother, my shvigger, my bobbas, etc. Probably on the off Shabbos when couples do not come I imagine my Bobba sits next to my Zeida simply because that is how it works out (like a shuna rishona couple or young couple with just 2 or 3 children), but at a full table, it is not really comfortable or feasible for the mother to be next to the father.

A wife sitting oiven oon with her husband is unheard of IME.

Fox

Tue, Jan 12 2021, 2:19 pm

Rena K wrote:

I loved the video. It was a kiddush Hashem!

I think the reason why this thread derailed is because there is not really much to talk about. It was beautiful, that's all. So people want to analyze a little more, they discuss how they relate to it and whether it's an accurate portrayal. I think most thinking people know that there is no such thing as a truly accurate portrayal of anything. It was meant to give a flavor of shabbas to people who have never seen such a thing. It accomplished that goal. It wasn't meant for you to be able to show your co-worker, and say this is what my family looks like.

Remember, this is YouTube. Chill.

Exactly! This was aimed at a non-Jewish audience. We are not the intended audience. The non-Jews with whom I shared it had nothing but positive things to say. To an outsider, the things we have in common regarding Shabbos and various hashkafas are far greater than what separates us.

And perhaps that's the message in it for us, too.

Blueberry Muffin

Tue, Jan 12 2021, 2:45 pm

I think the kids were behaving as typical kids. They were all at the table in the beginning and for challah and for the start of the meal.

I actually think it could be eyeopening to outsiders that once the kids began to get bored, they didn't go to their devices or phones or ipods or play on electronics or play basketball outside or checkout - instead, they occupied themselves and weren't fighting. The boys were playing tag, but they also knew they were getting attention from Peter so it could have helped keep the exciting chase going around the house.

The parents may also did not want to reprimand the kids as they were the hosts and anything could have been taped and picked up by the camera at any point.

Raisin

Tue, Jan 12 2021, 2:53 pm

Except that my house is not nearly as fancy or big and I don't have a maid washing up during the meal (I wish!!) this was very similar to shabbos meals at my Chabad House. We often have chassidish (not chabad) guests and even though its not our minhag to sing zemiros, we do for them.

But our guests will be a lot more diverse as well. Not frum, M.O, streimel wearing chassidim, litvish...sometimes even chabad.

amother

Saddlebrown

Tue, Jan 12 2021, 3:06 pm

I don't think I was ever at a shabbos seudah where the wife didn't sit next to the husband. Usually to the right. And I grew up in williamsburg. You can arrange the table so that the men who are not related do not sit straight across the wife.

This video was beautiful. Chassidish people come in all types. One is not more "authentic" than the other. Maybe it's not typical for satmar monroe but it's very similar to our seudas