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amother




Amethyst
 

Post Fri, Feb 19 2021, 9:30 am
amother [ Ruby ] wrote:
Why do so many frum organizations engage in shady practices.


This 100%!!

It disgusts me. I know it's a very small percentage, but I can't understand how anyone frum can act like this.

Many years ago the school I went to in Monsey was investigated for fraud. Some people quickly left the country, others left the school. Girls in my class were subpoenaed and had to go testify in court.
It completely negated all the lessons about honesty and not stealing that they taught us.
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amother




Seagreen
 

Post Fri, Feb 19 2021, 9:32 am
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amother




Seagreen
 

Post Fri, Feb 19 2021, 9:44 am
amother [ Amethyst ] wrote:
This 100%!!

It disgusts me. I know it's a very small percentage, but I can't understand how anyone frum can act like this.

Many years ago the school I went to in Monsey was investigated for fraud. Some people quickly left the country, others left the school. Girls in my class were subpoenaed and had to go testify in court.
It completely negated all the lessons about honesty and not stealing that they taught us.

What an awful thing for you to experience as a child!
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amother




Amethyst
 

Post Fri, Feb 19 2021, 10:15 am
amother [ Seagreen ] wrote:
What an awful thing for you to experience as a child!


I wasn't a child, I was in 12th grade. I don't know if the younger kids knew about it. But it was pretty horrifying and it made it hard to trust after that. I personally witnessed the people in charge committing fraud. These were the same people who made all the tznius rules and other stupid rules that they blamed on yiddishkeit, but had nothing to do with Hashem. And here they were forging peoples signatures in front of my face.

For whoever is doubting me, they needed help with sorting and filing all of the paperwork that they were submitting to the government, so they took 11th and 12th graders to help them. Yes, we watched them forge signatures. We also found forged forms for our sisters and cousins and neighbors stating that they were enrolled in a nonexistent seminary that was supposedly part of the school.

B"H my yiddishkeit was strong from home, and so this showed me what kind of people they were. For someone who didn't have that strong foundation I'm sure it could have turned them off yiddishkeit completely.
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amother




Seagreen
 

Post Fri, Feb 19 2021, 10:31 am
amother [ Amethyst ] wrote:
I wasn't a child, I was in 12th grade. I don't know if the younger kids knew about it. But it was pretty horrifying and it made it hard to trust after that. I personally witnessed the people in charge committing fraud. These were the same people who made all the tznius rules and other stupid rules that they blamed on yiddishkeit, but had nothing to do with Hashem. And here they were forging peoples signatures in front of my face.

For whoever is doubting me, they needed help with sorting and filing all of the paperwork that they were submitting to the government, so they took 11th and 12th graders to help them. Yes, we watched them forge signatures. We also found forged forms for our sisters and cousins and neighbors stating that they were enrolled in a nonexistent seminary that was supposedly part of the school.

B"H my yiddishkeit was strong from home, and so this showed me what kind of people they were. For someone who didn't have that strong foundation I'm sure it could have turned them off yiddishkeit completely.

Thanks for sharing. It resonated
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amother




Scarlet
 

Post Fri, Feb 19 2021, 1:52 pm
I had to call Advenium after seeing this reactions to a simple post, apparently there are several “disgruntled” former employees who are running a similar albeit unprofessional operation completely trying to copy Advenium (2nd place syndrome anyone?) they are obviously jealous and stinging from the success at Advenium.
Anyway Advenium has Medical Doctors, Psychiatrist, Pschologist and PHDs on staff, everything is done in conjunction with Insurance Lawyers, Medical Lawyers and high-level business consultants, they told me that they are fully transparent and anyone reading these post are more than welcome to call and speak with the CEOs and Directors.
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amother




Scarlet
 

Post Fri, Feb 19 2021, 1:56 pm
Bh we have many organizations and agencies nowadays that help people with much needed services. Everyone who works there, even in non-profit organizations, gets paid. If people would have to depend on others to volunteer their time, they would never get any service they need, simply because people have a right to earn money and be able to pay their bills, even if their line of work is something that helps others. If you go to a doctor, you don't expect him/her to work for free so you are happy to have your services paid for by insurance. This is no different.
The poster who claims she doesn't understand why people don't just pay out of pocket for these services is either playing dumb, or completely out of touch with the reality, that many many people really cannot afford to pay for services that they NEED, and the fact that they get it paid for by insurance, which is completely legit, is a huge help for them.
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amother




OP
 

Post Fri, Feb 19 2021, 1:58 pm
amother [ Scarlet ] wrote:
I had to call Advenium after seeing this reactions to a simple post, apparently there are several “disgruntled” former employees who are running a similar albeit unprofessional operation completely trying to copy Advenium (2nd place syndrome anyone?) they are obviously jealous and stinging from the success at Advenium.
Anyway Advenium has Medical Doctors, Psychiatrist, Pschologist and PHDs on staff, everything is done in conjunction with Insurance Lawyers, Medical Lawyers and high-level business consultants, they told me that they are fully transparent and anyone reading these post are more than welcome to call and speak with the CEOs and Directors.


Everything can be true, and we can still have the issue with the schools working with Advenium to diagnose everyone.
I doubt they are even meeting the students they’re diagnosing, but if they are and finding issues for everyone it’s still scandalous.

I’m curious what you expected them to tell you?
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amother




Seagreen
 

Post Fri, Feb 19 2021, 1:59 pm
amother [ Scarlet ] wrote:
I had to call Advenium after seeing this reactions to a simple post, apparently there are several “disgruntled” former employees who are running a similar albeit unprofessional operation completely trying to copy Advenium (2nd place syndrome anyone?) they are obviously jealous and stinging from the success at Advenium.
Anyway Advenium has Medical Doctors, Psychiatrist, Pschologist and PHDs on staff, everything is done in conjunction with Insurance Lawyers, Medical Lawyers and high-level business consultants, they told me that they are fully transparent and anyone reading these post are more than welcome to call and speak with the CEOs and Directors.

I am not a disgruntled employee! I’m sure others here aren’t as well
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cnc




 
 
 
 

Post Fri, Feb 19 2021, 2:39 pm
[quote="amother [ Scarlet ]"]I had to call Advenium after seeing this reactions to a simple post, apparently there are several “disgruntled” former employees who are running a similar albeit unprofessional operation completely trying to copy Advenium (2nd place syndrome anyone?) they are obviously jealous and stinging from the success at Advenium.
Anyway Advenium has Medical Doctors, Psychiatrist, Pschologist and PHDs on staff, everything is done in conjunction with Insurance Lawyers, Medical Lawyers and high-level business consultants, they told me that they are fully transparent and anyone reading these post are more than welcome to call and speak with the CEOs and Directors.[/quote


Lol. I did speak to them several times which is how I have the information that I do.
This morning , I also explained exactly what I came across to a specialist that constantly refers parents to them and asked them to please do their research.
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amother




Emerald
 

Post Fri, Feb 19 2021, 2:58 pm
amother [ Scarlet ] wrote:
I had to call Advenium after seeing this reactions to a simple post, apparently there are several “disgruntled” former employees who are running a similar albeit unprofessional operation completely trying to copy Advenium (2nd place syndrome anyone?) they are obviously jealous and stinging from the success at Advenium.
Anyway Advenium has Medical Doctors, Psychiatrist, Pschologist and PHDs on staff, everything is done in conjunction with Insurance Lawyers, Medical Lawyers and high-level business consultants, they told me that they are fully transparent and anyone reading these post are more than welcome to call and speak with the CEOs and Directors.



Scarlet it sounds like you are an employee at Advenium.
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cnc




 
 
 
 

Post Fri, Feb 19 2021, 3:04 pm
https://www.advenium.com/

"Specifically directed to children, teenagers or adults, each group is led by an experienced, compassionate therapist renowned in their specialty."

Copied and pasted directly from their home page.
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amother




Seagreen
 

Post Fri, Feb 19 2021, 3:38 pm
cnc wrote:
https://www.advenium.com/

"Specifically directed to children, teenagers or adults, each group is led by an experienced, compassionate therapist renowned in their specialty."

Copied and pasted directly from their home page.

And in the booklet they send around it says
“Dance therapy” but it’s led by a sweet women who happens to dance beautifully but is not trained in any sort of therapy
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amother




Slategray
 

Post Sat, Feb 20 2021, 8:06 pm
Don’t live in that geographic area but I think it’s telling that when you called they blamed things on disgruntled employees. That doesn’t exactly bode well for them to be on the defensive. And the writer of that response does sound like she works for them.
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amother




Seagreen
 

Post Sat, Feb 20 2021, 8:12 pm
amother [ Slategray ] wrote:
Don’t live in that geographic area but I think it’s telling that when you called they blamed things on disgruntled employees. That doesn’t exactly bode well for them to be on the defensive. And the writer of that response does sound like she works for them.

I guess it’s a good sign that the current employees aren’t disgruntled!
(Yet?)
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