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amother
Peach


 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 12:05 pm
fleetwood wrote:
Please name me one state..I really am curious to understand..


I mean different states.
Like when my kids schools in NY were closed, the casinos and beaches and public hotel pools just an hour ride away were open. Etc.
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amother
Peach


 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 12:06 pm
southernbubby wrote:
I don't think that many people cooperated with 50 people weddings. Early on we were hearing about ways to get around that limit. Maybe some people made smaller weddings but what percentage of weddings really stuck to 50?



Yes rules will still have to be enforced forever.
We have state troopers watching for speeding.
Now, you can travel from China and back, without quarantining if you choose, but wedding halls are locked?

They need to make consistent, sensible laws and enforce them.
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SixOfWands




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 12:10 pm
fleetwood wrote:
Please name me one state..I really am curious to understand..


You mean a state that has forbidden weddings? You;ll be waiting a long time for that.
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Ema of 5




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 12:11 pm
amother [ Peach ] wrote:
That’s not true.
Nobody denies that Covid is real.
But being that it is catastrophic, the left was using this to earn power and money and blame Trump for it all.
In no other country was the leader blamed for Covid like Trump was, and the tragedies were worldwide.

Exactly. No matter what he did, he would have been blamed. He banned travel, but would have been called out for NOT banning travel. He did not make national policies for certain things (shut downs, mask wearing) but would have been called out if he had. He left vaccine distribution up to the states, but would have been called out had he made national policies and mandates.
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fleetwood




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 12:15 pm
SixOfWands wrote:
You mean a state that has forbidden weddings? You;ll be waiting a long time for that.


Exactly my point... everything is open..at least in the tri state area..but we still have the lockdown argument every so often.
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fleetwood




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 12:16 pm
Ema of 4 wrote:
Exactly. No matter what he did, he would have been blamed. He banned travel, but would have been called out for NOT banning travel. He did not make national policies for certain things (shut downs, mask wearing) but would have been called out if he had. He left vaccine distribution up to the states, but would have been called out had he made national policies and mandates.


Right. So instead he did nothing..sounds like a great strategy to me.
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Ema of 5




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 12:17 pm
fleetwood wrote:
Right. So instead he did nothing..sounds like a great strategy to me.

You just proved my point. He didn’t do nothing, but whatever he did wasn’t good enough. He doesn’t even get credit for the things that he did. He really did absolutely nothing, not even one thing?
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fleetwood




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 12:32 pm
Ema of 4 wrote:
You just proved my point. He didn’t do nothing, but whatever he did wasn’t good enough. He doesn’t even get credit for the things that he did. He really did absolutely nothing, not even one thing?


Your comment said,other than a travel ban he left the rest of it to the states. You said it..and I just agreed with you.
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Ema of 5




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 12:36 pm
fleetwood wrote:
Your comment said,other than a travel ban he left the rest of it to the states. You said it..and I just agreed with you.

I did not say anything. I said one thing that he did. I didn’t say that was the only thing he did, nor did my comment imply that. YOU decided that he did nothing. So I’ll ask you again, did he not even do one thing?
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fleetwood




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 1:21 pm
Ema of 4 wrote:
I did not say anything. I said one thing that he did. I didn’t say that was the only thing he did, nor did my comment imply that. YOU decided that he did nothing. So I’ll ask you again, did he not even do one thing?


Yes,like you said,he Imposed a travel ban on China. Too bad he didn't do the same for Europe ,but he did indeed do one for China.
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Ema of 5




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 1:24 pm
fleetwood wrote:
Yes,like you said,he Imposed a travel ban on China. Too bad he didn't do the same for Europe ,but he did indeed do one for China.

How would you or anyone else have responded if he made national mask mandates? National closure mandates? National vaccine mandates? He tried to help out NY, but his help was refused.
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fleetwood




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 1:54 pm
Ema of 4 wrote:
How would you or anyone else have responded if he made national mask mandates? National closure mandates? National vaccine mandates? He tried to help out NY, but his help was refused.


I'm not discussing Trump in a non politics section. I'm sorry I even answered you up thread.
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bnm




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 2:10 pm
Everything hurts. I was sick in October, didn't need breathing support, didn't even cough but since then I keep getting sick. Everything also smells weird. I'm stuck eating dry carbs so hello weight gain.

Also we are discussing this since March. Is this one of those topics that are a cyclic thing on Imamother?
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amother
Babyblue


 

Post Tue, Jan 19 2021, 8:12 am
amother [ Hotpink ] wrote:
He actually does have the power to enact an organised federal response in the event of a national disaster. You know how the federal goes in to help states during hurricanes? How about during wartime?

On top of that, the US federal government has broad powers to interfere and take authority over things that affect interstate commerce. It's called the interstate commerce clause. Look it up. It's what gives the federal government the authority to arrest marijuana growers in California even after the state, and yes their governor, legalised it....SNIP


Actually no, the federal government only goes in for natural disasters AFTER the governors request assistance. If the state's do not ask for help the federal government can't send resources.
Also the whole cannabis issue is due to a separate law about FDA and classification under federal law. Cannabis is illegal under federal law. Some states decriminalized it or made it legal so they won't prosecute for it. But if you brought it over state lines- that is interstate commerce. And the other state and Feds can prosecute. Two different rules.
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mig100




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Jan 19 2021, 9:22 am
rakcna wrote:
I'm a medical professional. I have been tracking covid since December 2019. I highly doubt that politicians use the same sources that I use.

In addition to a number of public health resources such as JHU's tracker, we have drawn from research on SARS, MERS, other pandemics. In addition, we partnered with a medical school so that we could have their students and faculty stay on top of updates in spread and research into treatments.


thanks for explaining.
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amother
Gray


 

Post Tue, Jan 19 2021, 9:54 am
How short sighted. There isn’t a 99% recovery rate. You have to take the percentage of infected people and use that number to see how many people have died and who have been permanently harmed. Also- there’s this fun headline. Antibodies are no longer the answer. “Previous coronavirus infection may offer less protection from new variant.”

https://www.reuters.com/articl.....9O0LX
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amother
Silver


 

Post Tue, Jan 19 2021, 9:57 am
1% is actually a pretty high death rate. I remember reading, for example, that Hodgkin's lymphoma has a 98% rate of cure, yet I am sure you would not want that diagnosis.
1% means 1 out of 100 people. It means if you look at 20 families of 5 people, 1 of them will lose a family member. If you look at 10 families of 10 people, 1 will lose a family member. No, they aren't all nursing home residents or people who were already terminally ill.
Also, you would not want to be among the many people in the curve between "dead" and "unscathed".
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amother
Lawngreen


 

Post Tue, Jan 19 2021, 10:07 am
I lost 2 grandparents and an uncle to Covid.
The 2 grandparents equals 20% of my grandparents.
So much for 99%.

I would say that is true for our community.
We lost around 20% of our elders. (60+)
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SixOfWands




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Jan 19 2021, 10:16 am
Ema of 4 wrote:
How would you or anyone else have responded if he made national mask mandates? National closure mandates? National vaccine mandates? He tried to help out NY, but his help was refused.


I think that a national mask mandate would have been great. I still think it will be, as it will probably be announced within the next week.

Uniform policies on closures, as well as real assistance to businesses that are suffering? Sign me up.

Uniform policies regarding vaccine distribution? Great.

This is not the place for a political argument about what was (or was not) done for NY, so I am ignoring that.
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amother
Periwinkle


 

Post Tue, Jan 19 2021, 10:24 am
The problem is that the establishment is focusing on the wrong things.

You cannot control a pandemic by shutting down life. Besides which, the shutdown itself causes fatalities, and so many other detrimental long and short term effects as well.

This virus is crazy contagious. That's why the 1% is so problematic, because it's 1% of a huge number. Why do we think we can control it?

We need to be focusing on CURES.

We have medications that have been used for years and proven safe, that can be repurposed and studied here. Why are the studies being repressed?

Why isn't the disease itself being studied? How to treat the inflammation, the cytokine storm, etc.

All the scientific minds in the world can't do anything? We have to sit holed up like rats waiting for 2-3 gigantic companies to come up with their own proprietary vaccine, unprecedented, tested for only a few months, that they can then dangle over the rest of the world?

Something is very off about this response. It almost feels like the world is back in the middle ages, groping in the dark, following a very few all-powerful figures and their doctrines. What happened to "science"?

Fear is being used as a weapon here. And THAT is the dangerous part of this pandemic.
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