Massive amounts of homeless people being moved to Boro Park

Ema of 5

Mon, Jan 18 2021, 5:43 pm

amother [ Pewter ] wrote:

Elsily, do you live in Boro Park? Would.you be ok with this happening on your block?

And you can't compare it to Jews. When a large group of Jews move into a neighborhood, they are generally not addicted to drugs and alcohol. While Jews may make neighborhoods more crowded, they do not make neighborhoods unsafe

She wasn’t comparing the homeless community to the Jewish community. She was comparing the language used when Jews move into a neighborhood. How often do we hear about people not wanting jews in their neighborhood because....
The only difference I see is that people are not objecting because they are homeless. They are objecting because of the danger this can potentially pose.

amother

Mauve

Mon, Jan 18 2021, 5:44 pm

watergirl wrote:

So the landlords are the ones to blame. Not the city. The heimishe landlords are unwilling to fix up their own properties and therefor cant find tenants. And everyone is mad at the city.

SERIOUSLY!
Are you even remotely aware of the insane laws dumped on landlords?
The cruel way landlords are punished and harassed, leaving them no extra funds to fix up apartments?
Part of the socialism here is that landlords become the scapegoats for tenants who are downright lazy to work and bad people.
The landlords get the unfair laws and have everything working against them, leaving them without choice, just to do the bare minimum.

You. Have. No. Idea.

amother

Mauve

Mon, Jan 18 2021, 5:47 pm

amother [ Azure ] wrote:

Again, we're not talking about homeless people that lost their jobs. We're talking about criminals mentally ill people and drug addicts that belong in prison or the psychiatric hospital but were let out on the streets now during covid. Do you understand now??

This.
The courts have been shut for a year. Biden wants to extend that for another year.
Anyone who didn’t pay for the last 5 years, is exempt now because “Covid”.

So nobody was evicted now because of non payment.
The only reason they are homeless, is for every other shady reason you can think of.

Do you all understand that now?

watergirl

Mon, Jan 18 2021, 5:48 pm

amother [ Mauve ] wrote:

Seashell amother told me upthread the landlords have no tenants because they don’t want to fix up their apartments and cannot find anyone to rent them out as they are. My question was, why couldn’t the landlords not find tenants to rent their properties?

Can you please answer my question then? Why cant the landlords find suitable frum tenants who are not downright lazy and bad people to rent their properties in frum neighborhoods?

elsily

Mon, Jan 18 2021, 5:49 pm

amother [ Azure ] wrote:

Do you believe that all the people who were homeless prior to covid suddenly got housing during the pandemic? So the ONLY people who are homeless in NY are those just released from jail? That sounds ridiculous.

amother

Azure

Mon, Jan 18 2021, 5:50 pm

elsily wrote:

You are quite rude, but maybe it’s easy to be like that when you’re anonymous?

Sorry, it seems like you're purposely trying not understand the situation and prove that you're holier than thou and whoever is upset at this are bad people.

amother

Mauve

Mon, Jan 18 2021, 5:50 pm

watergirl wrote:

They don’t have the money to fix the apartments so nobody decent will rent it in this condition.
It looks wrong on landlords part, but they’re left with no choice.

elsily

Mon, Jan 18 2021, 5:51 pm

amother [ Azure ] wrote:

Sorry, it seems like you're purposely trying not understand the situation and prove that you're holier than thou and whoever is upset at this are bad people.

Do you believe that there weren’t any homeless people in NY prior to the pandemic? Did they all get housing during the pandemic? So the ONLY homeless people in NY right now are those fresh out of jail or psych hospitals? Does that make any sense to you?

amother

Sapphire

Mon, Jan 18 2021, 5:54 pm

elsily wrote:

It's the truth. Whether you want to believe it or not. There's homeless and then there's homeless. And we're talking about the latter, the dangerous ones, to the point that even someone who is legitimately homeless because they're down on their luck, would not move into such a place. That's the type of homeless that they want to put into these places.

watergirl

Mon, Jan 18 2021, 5:54 pm

amother [ Mauve ] wrote:

They don’t have the money to fix the apartments so nobody decent will rent it in this condition.
It looks wrong on landlords part, but they’re left with no choice.

I suppose people should realize how making investments is taking a considerable gamble. Gambling it’s very risky. In the case of landlords, you are not just risking losing your investment, you have a whole neighborhood that is depending on you. I hope these landlords do not continue to invest in properties moving forward after this kind of experience.

amother

Gray

Mon, Jan 18 2021, 5:54 pm

elsily wrote:

Although not ALL homeless are dangerous, a large proportion are, higher than in the general population. That is not because homelessness causes violence, but because the tendencies that lead to homelessness in some cases tend to correlate to emotional instability.

Similarly, although not all homeless are felons, a large percentage of released felons are homeless.

This leads to the indisputable fact that unless they are well vetted, which presumably does not usually happen, introducing a large number of homeless into a city will significantly increase the number of dangerous people there.

That is what people are objecting to, because they are concerned for their families' safety.

amother

Azure

Mon, Jan 18 2021, 5:56 pm

elsily wrote:

No, but these are the people they want to place in these housing. You don't want to know what's going on in some streets of Manhattan with such homeless. It's dangerous to walk those blocks. A shame that NY looks like this.

amother

Gray

Mon, Jan 18 2021, 5:58 pm

sequoia wrote:

Mentally ill people are more likely to be victims of a crime than criminals.

That may be true, but does not change the fact that a disproportionate number of homeless tenants are likely to be the type that pose some level of danger to those around them. Homeless shelters are not known as the safest places.

thunderstorm

Mon, Jan 18 2021, 6:00 pm

watergirl wrote:

NYC passed many new laws in the last couple of years, giving the landlords the raw end of the deal. Many people that own buildings in NYC have experienced huge losses due to these new realestate/ landlord laws.

amother

Mauve

Mon, Jan 18 2021, 6:05 pm

watergirl wrote:

In a normal NYC, the laws are fair.
In a socialist NYC, the laws are insane and biased against landlords, in the name of helping the poor.
This has proven to ruin a city and to make everybody poorer.
Yet our lawmakers are that stupid, that they don’t understand basic concepts.

Socialism never works. But let’s try it again, because why not!

watergirl

Mon, Jan 18 2021, 6:07 pm

thunderstorm wrote:

Like what?

watergirl

Mon, Jan 18 2021, 6:07 pm

amother [ Mauve ] wrote:

What are the laws? How are they making the frum tenants not want to rent from these landlords?

elsily

Mon, Jan 18 2021, 6:08 pm

This is all I’m going to say. Not everyone who is homeless was in jail. Not everyone who was in jail is dangerous. And not everyone who is mentally ill is dangerous.

octopus

Mon, Jan 18 2021, 6:08 pm

We'll look at the upper west side. All those yuppies were very liberal and championed the homeless cause...until they moved into their neighborhood. Now people are moving out of the upper west side in droves. No one wants public urination, needles and people walking around naked. Read the secular newspapers please.

ETA
Of course not all homeless are dangerous etc. But look at what's happening to the city. People that are mentally ill are not getting the help they need. Moving them to an apartment isn't going to help them. They need help. Real help.

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