Scared - will vaccine be required -

amother

Pearl

Mon, Feb 15 2021, 9:36 am

amother [ Navy ] wrote:

I do believe you are a healthcare worker and you just answered my question about how healthcare workers sometimes say things that are against science. Basically anyone who is in a secretarial position for any health-related practice is a healthcare worker, even though s/he is an ignoramus without a degree and zero understanding of science. Thank you.

Yes. This.

amother

Magenta

Mon, Feb 15 2021, 9:47 am

amother [ Pink ] wrote:

HPV is a STD which means you can only get it if you have sx with someone who has it.
Your first paragraph is completely false. Which you should have known if you were a health care worker.

My point was that the reason infectious diseases aren’t raging everywhere is because of vaccines to begin with. I’ll admit I was being a bit dramatic. There are other ways to contract hpv, although the chances are small. Made smaller with the vaccine.
And OP shouldn’t be comparing an std with Covid.

amother

Copper

Mon, Feb 15 2021, 9:53 am

amother [ Khaki ] wrote:

Yes you know the answer.
Our government is so corrupt and money hungry that they will make a vaccine that was hardly tested, mandatory.
If you still think they care your health and safety, open your eyes one tiny bit.

And yes, I’m all for vaccinations that were tried and true for years. My kids are all vaxxed.

All governments in the entire world are in on it. Everyone is out to get you.. did you know you can become gay from the vaccine? They want to turn the entire world gay... oy va voy Banging head

. Israeli's - are you all gay now? Or being tracked by Bill Gates. Is that considered espionage? I have so many questions.

southernbubby

Mon, Feb 15 2021, 11:48 am

What I am scared of is that although the state of NY enlarged the eligibility pool, they still don't have the supplies. Pharmacies get 100 measly doses that are gone in minutes and bad weather can shut down mass efforts. My son and sister in law, who live in Israel, tried to talk us into moving there but most of the family is in the states. Who would have imagined that the eyes of the world would be on little Israel as it closes in on vaccinating the majority of it's elderly citizens?
So yes, I am scared that the vaccine will be required in order to visit my grandchildren in Israel and I can't obtain it.
As far as those Frontline Doctors, they are considered a fringe group. People can speak to their own mainstream doctors if they have a valid concern.

small bean

Mon, Feb 15 2021, 12:06 pm

OP I'm also not antivax and won't take any shot that is not around for at least 15 years.

Off of imamother it is normal to be afraid of the vaccine.

It will not be required for kids for a long time, I don't think and when it does become reywites. You can always show titers, which if you have antobodies will work. My kids still have antibodies from when we got it in march.

Regarding flying there will be ways around it for the most part.

Let those who feel it is worth it to be a guinea pig, do their thing and you do your thing. Know there are millions of americans who stand with you.

amother

Babypink

Mon, Feb 15 2021, 12:13 pm

They are starting to test the vaccine on kids now. So, I would imagine it will start being required for schools in another calendar year (not the upcoming school year).
For flying internationally, no question, that is coming sooner rather than later.
Domestically, probably as soon as everyone has had the chance to be vaccinated, once there isn't such a wait anymore. So probably sometime this summer, I read that Biden is ok with signing it into law.

amother

Khaki

Mon, Feb 15 2021, 12:23 pm

amother [ Copper ] wrote:

All governments in the entire world are in on it. Everyone is out to get you.. did you know you can become gay from the vaccine? They want to turn the entire world gay... oy va voy Banging head

. Israeli's - are you all gay now? Or being tracked by Bill Gates. Is that considered espionage? I have so many questions.

Absolutely. All LIBERAL SOCIALIST countries have the same ideology and agendas and they will therefore mandate the vaccine.
Please educate yourself a bit.
I’m not saying if the vaccine is safe or not, but it’s insane that it becomes mandatory immediately after they created this vaccine.
You need to learn both sides of the coin.
Problem is, they are hiding so much info from us and it’s hard to find it.

And your sarcasm about becoming gay shows how naive people are about the vaccine issue

amother

Gray

Mon, Feb 15 2021, 12:29 pm

amother [ Babypink ] wrote:

If it becomes law, public schools will have to continue to offer the remote option as many students (and a nice handful of my colleagues btw) won't be taking it by force. Students are entitled to an education and I foresee lawsuits right and left.

Amarante

Mon, Feb 15 2021, 1:15 pm

small bean wrote:

Given that there are masses of people who are desperate to get the vaccines, your opinion of what people outside of imamother plan to do is wrong.

As soon as the vaccines have been officially approved, they will be mandated in order to participate in certain activities such as school, travel and probably public events unless you have a medical or religious reason - and none of the major religious groups prohibit or proscribe vaccination.

I doubt there will be ways around it - vaccinations against certain diseases were required for travel for many years. At one time getting shots and having proof of that was standard for international travel.

small bean

Mon, Feb 15 2021, 1:23 pm

Amarante wrote:

The world is a massive place. The demand does not mean that everyone wants it.

Even in Israel, where they have the highest vaccination, there was a report last week that 1/3rd of medical workers have refused the vaccine, and that is in a country where they will make you miserable until you get the vaccine.

Currently to go to certian countries you jeed a negative test to go. There are plenty of ways to get around it. It is naive to think that the rules are followed.

Anyway I have no intention of arguing with imamother because most live in a bubble.

southernbubby

Mon, Feb 15 2021, 1:25 pm

amother [ Khaki ] wrote:

Unfortunately, not all countries are created equal when it comes to vaccine distribution. It's totally understandable if they don't want non vaccinated people to come and infect the population.

amother

Babypink

Mon, Feb 15 2021, 1:27 pm

amother [ Gray ] wrote:

Sure, virtual will continue to be an option. It won't be a big deal though. I work in a public school that is currently transitioning to hybrid. They will easily be able accommodate those who prefer to attend virtually rather than get vaccinated. No problem at all for them to access assignments digitally and submit them that way, or attend classes via livestreaming.

Amarante

Mon, Feb 15 2021, 1:39 pm

amother [ Gray ] wrote:

Public schools require vaccination for other diseases so they will also require vaccination for Covid unless one has a valid medical or religious exemption. Depending on location, these are not easy to get and are increasingly difficult. California tightened the law a few years ago and exemptions went way down.

Remote is not an option that most parents want for their children because it makes working almost impossible and in person education is seen as beneficial for children for a variety of reasons. Most people don’t homeschool their children.

amother

Babypink

Mon, Feb 15 2021, 1:53 pm

fleetwood wrote:

How can it be mandated if it's impossible to procure?

That's why it is not mandated yet. But eventually it will be available to all. That'll why I think sometime this summer, for air travel. Maybe by the fall.
Schools, not for a year at least. But they have started testing the vaccine on kids, so it's coming.

fleetwood

Mon, Feb 15 2021, 1:58 pm

I don't think it will be available to all by summer. I am personally allowed to get it,I fall into the pre-existing category,but cannot get an appointment. Even if you are allowed to get it,it's impossible to get.

amother

Babypink

Mon, Feb 15 2021, 2:05 pm

fleetwood wrote:

We will see. I am eligible, too, due to my job, but haven't been able to get it yet, either, though a lot of my colleagues have.
News reports that I have seen do predict that by sometime this summer everyone who wants it, will be able to get it.
In any case, international travel depends on the country you are traveling to, and other countries don't really care if you are still on a waitlist, they still don't want you coming in without being vaccinated. I am sure Israel, for example, will be very strict in this regard.

amother

Seagreen

Mon, Feb 15 2021, 2:09 pm

The media had a story recently about a child who was not vaccinated and the public school refused to let the child participate in remote lear because vaccines were not up to date. Parent was told child needs to get all vaccinations or homeschooling.

I don't know about all states but Cuoumo has stated that in NY, all students must be up to date in order to attend school, either in person or remote. Child not up to date on vaccinations cannot attend remote classroom learning. California is also very strict about this rule.

So, it seems c that when covid19 vaccinations become mandatory in ny, which will probably happen in 2 years, the govt will be strict about it

LittleDucky

Mon, Feb 15 2021, 3:07 pm

southernbubby wrote:

Unfortunately, not all countries are created equal when it comes to vaccine distribution. It's totally understandable if they don't want non vaccinated people to come and infect the population.

But the vaccine does not stop you from spreading it. It has also not been shown to work as effectively on the many variants out there. It just reduces risk of serious disease from it. So it stops you from being symptomatic or needing the ICU, which is a very good thing. But even vaccinated individuals can "infect their population".

Maybe we should just put a blockade around each country and not allow any non essential travel? No immigration, no travel for weddings or vacations... because that is the only way to stop the spread.

Oh and I am pro vaccine and even get the flu shot yearly. My kids are up to date too. But I dont want people to assume protection that they wont get. People with the vaccine should still wear masks, quarantine if exposed etc.

(I know CDC said no but the vaccine doesnt stop spread so if they dont have to quarantine then they dont need to wear masks... they just want more people vaxxed to help hospitalization rates).