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 Tue, Mar 02 2021, 10:08 pm
I know a woman aged 90 who was in great health--just old--who dropped dead suddenly shortly after getting both vaccines.
Does this make me conspiratorially worried that maybe the vaccine was too much for her system? Yes. Would I say that the vaccine killed her? No way. I actually have no idea.
But honestly, if this were happening in statistically meaningful levels, there would already be tons of data about higher-than-normal elderly fatalities with non-Covid deaths in the past few months.
I think the vaccine is safe.
But I also wouldn't be shocked if a study comes out later saying that it is very, very minorly correlated with causing a system overload to recipients who are already old an unwell. (Which is to say, it's a great deal safer for them than getting Covid, but not entirely without risk.)
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Tue, Mar 02 2021, 10:15 pm
| shabbatiscoming wrote: | I forgot which it was, but it was already mentioned that they either had covid and didnt know it before they were vaccinated or they got it between the first and second dosage, which has been very common.
They did not die from the vaccine. |
And I got a bridge to sell you.
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Tue, Mar 02 2021, 10:39 pm
| wiki wrote: | I know a woman aged 90 who was in great health--just old--who dropped dead suddenly shortly after getting both vaccines.
Does this make me conspiratorially worried that maybe the vaccine was too much for her system? Yes. Would I say that the vaccine killed her? No way. I actually have no idea.
But honestly, if this were happening in statistically meaningful levels, there would already be tons of data about higher-than-normal elderly fatalities with non-Covid deaths in the past few months.
I think the vaccine is safe.
But I also wouldn't be shocked if a study comes out later saying that it is very, very minorly correlated with causing a system overload to recipients who are already old an unwell. (Which is to say, it's a great deal safer for them than getting Covid, but not entirely without risk.) |
The problem is the trials were not properly representative of the population. If the trials were random, we would have seen far more deaths in the *placebo* arms than the number that actually occurred. In the Pfizer trial, just 4 out of 20,000 participants in the placebo arm died, and in the Moderna trial, it was 1 out of 15,000 in the placebo arm.
That's a total of 5 people who died out of 35,000 in the placebo arms, and it's not clear whether each of those 5 even died of covid.
Yet, we are told that 1 out of every 1,000 Americans has died of covid. That means the trials had 3,495 fewer deaths than expected out of a random sample.
So we really don't have information on how the vaccine affects the elderly or people with comorbidities because they weren't properly represented in the trials.
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Tue, Mar 02 2021, 10:44 pm
| amother [ Brown ] wrote: | | Does anyone know if strokes can be a side effect of getting the vaccine? |
I don't know, but thrombocytopenia (ITP) is a rare side effect of the vaccine. It seems ITP may be connected to risk of strokes.
Eta just saw your post above, I'm so sorry
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Wed, Mar 03 2021, 4:41 am
| amother [ OP ] wrote: | | On some outher threads people said it's a coverup people dying from the vaccine. So my question I think everyone knows people who personally died from covid do you know personally died after getting the vaccine or did no one you know get the vaccine yet. |
Are those the only options?
I know 100x more people who got the vaccine than I know people who contracted covid.
I personally know of 2 people who died of covid and 0 who died of the vaccine.
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Wed, Mar 03 2021, 11:24 am
| amother [ Brown ] wrote: | | Does anyone know if strokes can be a side effect of getting the vaccine? |
Covid is proven to make people more likely to have a stroke, even if they had "only a very light case". Apparently the intensity of the illness has nothing to do with future stroke risk.
I've already had one stroke and one TIA before Covid. I've had very severe Covid. I am VERY high risk for future strokes.
I still got both vaccinations, and B'H I'm here to tell the tale. My only side effect was a sore arm and slight headache for 24 hours. Nothing Tylenol couldn't fix.
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Wed, Mar 03 2021, 11:36 am
| amother [ Brunette ] wrote: | | Israels case rate and more importantly the serious cases and death rate went up the highest since covid began ever since they started giving the vaccine and israel is also the country who gave the most vaccinations. Why is that?? This is insane! This virus has a 99% survival rate! Why are perfectly healthy people taking a “vaccine” that is NOT FDA approved and only given an EUA, Emergency Use Authorization? We DO NOT take chemotherapy and radiation when we are healthy, we only take it when we have Cancer! |
Wut.
No.
Yes, there is a lag. There has always been a lag. Most people who die of covid don't die the second they get it, they die a few days later. So there was a period of time where vaccines were being rolled out, but we were still hitting the peak of the pre-vaccine wave of fatalities because people who'd caught the virus two weeks earlier were dying.
But there has been a huge drop in serious cases and fatalities since the vaccine, particularly among people who've had both doses of the vaccine.
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Wed, Mar 03 2021, 11:37 am
| amother [ Brunette ] wrote: | | We DO NOT take chemotherapy and radiation when we are healthy, we only take it when we have Cancer! |
Because chemo and radiation are treatments. Vaccines are preventive medicine.
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Wed, Mar 03 2021, 11:42 am
| amother [ Lavender ] wrote: | How are new covid strains introduced in the first place? How does a virus mutate? You believe that it does mutate, correct?
"The UK strain"
"The South African strain"
Etc.
So why is it implausible that if during the initial process of creating the antibody roadmap following vaccination, someone were to contract covid, the likelihood of contracting it as an odd strain could be greater? And that strain could theoretically be passed on. Why not? |
Because mutation is a process. There's a reason it's "the UK strain," and not, say, "the David B. strain."
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