S/o dont want the vaccine - johnson and johnson

amother

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Tue, Apr 13 2021, 1:58 pm

HakarasHatov wrote:

So pfizer applied for emergency authorization without completing phase 3, but now they finished phase 3 and are requesting full fledged FDA approval (instead of the emergency authorization)?

They completed phase 3. The studies that are still going on are looking at the duration of the immunity.
They were given EUA, which is a pre-approval when there’s a life threatening situation. They are now on the way to getting FDA approval.

SixOfWands

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 2:18 pm

naomi2 wrote:

Fyi, the us has stopped giving Johnson and Johnson as of this morning because it can cause a clotting disorder. Astra zeneca never made it to the us for the same reason. Do alot of research before taking any experimental vaccine or drug!

There were reports of 6 people developing a rare type of blot clot shortly after receiving J&J. That's out of the 6.8 million doses given in the US.

They're certainly right to further investigate, both to consider whether there is a connection, and to determine if its more widespread. But know your facts.

SixOfWands

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 2:33 pm

amother [ Pumpkin ] wrote:

This is a joke, right? Because I straight up said that dr's are not associating any of the side effects or deaths with the moderna or pfizer vaccine so how would we know what the rate really is if its not being measured and the evidence is being hidden and shoved under the rug? That is why its surprising that they are associating the side effects of the johnson vaccine which means that someone is working overtime to get rid of the competition (especially since Johnson only has one vaccine while the others have two shots so its def preferable to take one).

That's completely untrue, of course.

amother

Wheat

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 2:53 pm

amother [ Forestgreen ] wrote:

Blood clots are a rare side effect of common drugs.

Yep. Everything has possible side effects. Even taking an aspirin or an Advil. Everything. And if someone weighs the risks of taking the vax and not taking the vax and decided taking the vax is the way to go - great! But too many people in the medical field and in our governments are pretending this is all 100% safe when it's far from the truth. There appears to be a cover up going on so I can't even accurately weight the risks of vaccinating vs. not vaccinating. Every time something goes wrong shortly after a vaccine it's just a coincidence it seems. Yet if anyone dies for any reason, it's for sure COVID. Very sketchy stuff going on and it's so unfair that we can't get basic facts so we can make a sound decision.

English3

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 2:54 pm

SixOfWands wrote:

And you believe that your beloved country will withdraw millions of vaccines for six clots. Please...

SixOfWands

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 3:42 pm

English3 wrote:

And you believe that your beloved country will withdraw millions of vaccines for six clots. Please...

Yes.

And you believe that the US would fund J&J's development of a vaccine through Operation Warp Speed, including pre-payment for vaccine doses, then deliberately and falsely tank them in order to provide greater support to a company that it had not already funded and that, as to the Biontech component, is a foreign company.

That it would endanger the lives of countless Americans, AND purposely make Biden look bad by delaying the vaccination process beyond the time promised by Biden.

Why would they do that?

amother

Periwinkle

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 4:37 pm

amother [ Pumpkin ] wrote:

How can they get full fledged approval without any long term studies? And what about the side effects and deaths that are being shoved under the rug and dismissed?

You sound so shocked. Check out some of the other vaccines that are part of the childhood vaccine schedule. Once you start digging, it's very hard not to become an anti-vaxxer.

amother

Periwinkle

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 4:44 pm

amother [ Wheat ] wrote:

Again, there is nothing new here. Same thing happens with other routine vaccinations as well.

amother

Cerulean

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 8:39 pm

According to Dr Ken Beigeleisen, MD, PhD who specialises in this expertise, Novavax only contains the spike protein inserted into you with no genetic materials. Sinopharm & Sinovac use the old fashioned standard technology of inserting the whole inactivated virus. He says it is madness that we are jumping head first into the other vaccines. So if you are going to vax, get one of the above ones wherever they are available.

Imo, take his advice especially if you still plan on having children.

Laiya

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 9:08 pm

amother [ White ] wrote:

Do you have sources for these claims? All summer and fall I kept reading the Pfizer and Moderna were in phase 3 of their trials, and after the results came out so positive, they applied for FDA approval which they received. Where did you see that there was no phase 3?

Also, I've read that JNJ uses a traditional virus approach of using a small amount of dead virus, nothing to do with DNA. Do you have a source for your assertion about this?

Nooo....NONE of the vaccines have FDA approval. Go to the original sources. Don't rely on news articles citing the companies' own press release as a source. The clinical trials are posted on the government website and clearly state estimated end dates and that the phase 3 trials are ongoing.

Here's a link that explains the DNA and mRNA mechanisms:
https://www.nytimes.com/intera......html

wiki

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 9:13 pm

Laiya wrote:

Phase 3 was not completed in any of the covid vaccines.

I'll repost from the other thread:

Here's a link to Pfizer's actual trial, see estimated completion date April 2023.
Moderna's Phase 3 estimated completion date is Oct. 2022.
JNJ estimated completion date is Jan. 2023.

I could be wrong here, but are you sure that the vaccines haven't had phase 3 clinical trials yet? I followed your links and nowhere did I see the words "phase 3 clinical trial."

In fact, Moderna published results from their Phase 3 clinical trial last November. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/.....35389
This link takes you to the report of what is specifically called a "Phase 3 clinical trial."

EDIT: Here's the scoop: all three of the vaccines have published results from their stage 3 clinical trials. They will also continue to publish more results from these same trials for the next few years. So, while Laiya is correct that the data collection is ongoing, she is incorrect that the FDA's authorizations for the use of the three vaccines "came without results from a phase 3 clinical trial." All of them are based on results from Phase 3 clinical trials.

Why the confusion, and why did they publish results earlier than the scheduled end of the experiments? Because so many people in the control group got Covid quickly. This was enough to demonstrate the efficacy of the vaccine very quickly and publish medically meaningful data. This happens in experiments all the time, that the control/experimental groups perform so differently that there is sufficient data to write up conclusions of the study before the pre-designated "end-date" of the study. This does not mean that the published results of the stage 3 clinical trials that all came out last November are lacking in scientific rigor; on the contrary, it shows that the vaccines were effective enough to demonstrate their effectiveness in double-blind clinical conditions on 30,000+ participants in just a matter of months.

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wiki

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 9:16 pm

Laiya wrote:

Laiya, you're being misleading, I think on purpose.

All of the vaccines have FDA "authorization" even if they don't yet have FDA "approval." You're making it sound like the FDA doesn't authorize their use and vouch for their preliminary safety, when they absolutely do.

amother

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Tue, Apr 13 2021, 9:18 pm

wiki wrote:

This, and the Pfizer one that started in July finished in November, too, I think. I’ll try to find the published trial study.