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amother
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Post Tue, Apr 27 2021, 7:18 am
Just days after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced that it was lifting a pause on the Johnson & Johnson vaccine in the US over blood clot concerns, there's another report of a rare, potential side effect linked to a COVID-19 vaccine. This time, it's heart inflammation, aka myocarditis, associated with the Pfizer vaccine.

Israel's Health Ministry said on Sunday that it is looking into a small number of reported cases of heart inflammation in people who received the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine. Israel's pandemic response coordinator, Nachman Ash, told Reuters on April 25 that a preliminary study found "tens of incidents" of myocarditis, a type of inflammation of the heart. Myocarditis was identified in more than 5 million people in Israel who had received the Pfizer vaccine, usually after their second dose. The majority of patients are mostly men.

According to a leaked report from the Israeli Health Ministry obtained by The Times of Israel, there have been 62 reported cases of myocarditis in patients who had the Pfizer vaccine. That puts the possible risk of getting myocarditis from the Pfizer vaccine, if there is indeed a link, at 0.001%.

Most cases happened in men under the age of 30, and two people have died, including a 22-year-old woman and 35-year-old man. Both reportedly were in good health before getting vaccinated.

Health reached out to Pfizer and received this response: "Pfizer is aware of the Israeli observations of myocarditis that occurred predominantly in a population of young men who received the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine. We regularly meet with the Vaccine Safety Department of the Israeli Ministry of Health to review data. Adverse events are regularly and thoroughly reviewed and we have not observed a higher rate of myocarditis than what would be expected in the general population. A causal link to the vaccine has not been established. There is no evidence at this time to conclude that myocarditis is a risk associated with the use of Pfizer/BNT COVID-19 vaccine."

"More than 260 million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine have been administered globally," states Pfizer's response. "Serious adverse events unrelated to, but close in timing to vaccination, are expected to occur at a similar rate in vaccinated individuals as they would in the overall population. With a vast number of people vaccinated to date, the benefit risk profile of our vaccine remains positive."

Still, it's only natural to have questions and concerns about this. Here's what you need to know about the possible association between heart inflammation and the Pfizer vaccine.

What is myocarditis, exactly?
Myocarditis is inflammation of the myocardium, the muscles in the heart, according to Medline Plus. When someone has myocarditis, the heart muscle becomes thick and swollen.

Myocarditis typically happens when an infection reaches the heart, usually a virus like the flu or adenovirus. But exposure to certain chemicals in the environment, radiation, autoimmune disorders, or reactions to medications like chemotherapy can also cause the condition. Bacterial infections like Lyme disease, streptococcus, and chlamydia can also lead to myocarditis, Medline Plus says.


https://www.health.com/conditi.....srael's%20pandemic%20response%20coordinator%2C%20Nachman,usually%20after%20their%20second%20dose.
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amother
Denim


 

Post Tue, Apr 27 2021, 7:37 am
Thank you for the information however in paragraph 2 it says 5 million vaccinated israelis have myocarditis and in paragraph 3 it says only 26 reported cases. Which is it?
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little neshamala




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Apr 27 2021, 7:43 am
And pfizer's statement on this is
" we have not observed a higher rate of myocarditis than what would be expected in the general population. There is no evidence at this time to conclude that myocarditis is a risk associated.".
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Java




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Apr 27 2021, 7:46 am
You missed the second half

Has myocarditis been linked with other vaccines?
Yes. "There have been rare reports of myocarditis after the flu vaccine," Richard Watkins, MD, an infectious disease physician and a professor of internal medicine at the Northeast Ohio Medical University, tells Health.

One 2018 case report published in the Journal of Cardiac Failure found that a heart transplant patient who had the flu vaccine developed myocarditis afterward. Another case report linked a 27-year-old woman's myocarditis to the flu vaccine she received three days before.

RELATED: How the COVID-19 Vaccines Were Made So Quickly—From the Lab to Clinical Trials to FDA Authorization

How concerned should you be?
Doctors aren't overly worried, so you shouldn't be either. "We know that COVID-19 can cause myocarditis," John Sellick, DO, an infectious disease expert and professor of medicine at the University at Buffalo/SUNY, tells Health. "But we've administered a huge number of the Pfizer vaccines in the US and we have not seen this."

Dr. Sellick points out that there's "always some background of this in the population" and that it's important to try to look at how often myocarditis happens among people under normal circumstances. About 3.1 million people in the world develop myocarditis each year, according to the Myocarditis Foundation.

Dr. Sellick also says he would be "very surprised" if there was a link between the Pfizer vaccine and heart inflammation. "If this was a vaccine with a live virus, you might say that, in a certain group of people, perhaps their hearts go haywire," he says. "But with this vaccine, it seems biologically implausible."

Martin J. Blaser, MD, professor of medicine and pathology and laboratory medicine at the Rutgers Robert Wood Johnson Medical School in New Jersey, tells Health that it's important to remember that this is a "rare, rare event" and that the link has not been proven. "There's no comparison between the risk and benefit of being vaccinated here," he says. "I want people to understand this."

Dr. Watkins agrees. "There is a far greater risk to the heart from COVID-19," he says.

Dr. Sellick urges people to stay calm. "This is an incredibly low risk, if the link is even proven," he says. "Hopefully, this doesn't get blow out of proportion."
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amother
Saddlebrown


 

Post Tue, Apr 27 2021, 7:56 am
It's statistically irrelevant until it happens to YOU .
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amother
Lime


 

Post Tue, Apr 27 2021, 7:56 am
Fake news. If you read you see there's the same risk as in the general population. If people fall and scrape their knees in Israel are we going to blame that on the vaccine too?

But do you know what does cause heart damage? COVID? In young people who were previously healthy. And lung damage. And a host of other issues
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fleetwood




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Apr 27 2021, 7:57 am
amother [ Saddlebrown ] wrote:
It's statistically irrelevant until it happens to YOU .

Same with covid Banging head
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amother
Lime


 

Post Tue, Apr 27 2021, 8:10 am
fleetwood wrote:
Same with covid Banging head


Exactly
I personally know a few people with heart issues now from Covid . I have lung issues . (in my 30s previously healthy and athletic)

I know no one that has had any of the side effects of vaccination the anti vax people talk about on this site except arm pain and mild fever and aches for a day or two. And I know people in all age groups from 16-80s who have gotten the vaccine. Including pregant women in all trimesters. Healthy people, people with heart conditions, people with long covid complications who were previously healthy, people who stayed holed up in their houses for a year, fat people, skinny people. I am NOT in Israel but in an American community that was hit by covid last March-April.
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amother
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Post Tue, Apr 27 2021, 8:35 am
This article is a load of hooey.
Its essentially like saying, theyve found people who took the vaccine having heart attacks, for example.
But its at the same rate that the normal population has heart attacks.
In other words...nothing new. Nothing changed. Just media hype.
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amother
Teal


 

Post Tue, Apr 27 2021, 8:53 am
amother [ Lime ] wrote:
Fake news. If you read you see there's the same risk as in the general population. If people fall and scrape their knees in Israel are we going to blame that on the vaccine too?

But do you know what does cause heart damage? COVID? In young people who were previously healthy. And lung damage. And a host of other issues

True and so sad Sad Unfortunately I know of a teenager (a relative of my relative) who had COVID and developed a heart condition that could stay with her her whole life. She was out of school for months
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amother
Khaki


 

Post Tue, Apr 27 2021, 8:58 am
amother [ Teal ] wrote:
True and so sad Sad Unfortunately I know of a teenager (a relative of my relative) who had COVID and developed a heart condition that could stay with her her whole life. She was out of school for months


The article conveniently leaves out its most important conclusion. It forgot to compare it to the risk of a heart condition from COVID. If you're presented with a possible significant risk of heart disease from COVID, or a minimal risk of myocarditis with the vaccine, which one should you choose?
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JoyInTheMorning




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Apr 27 2021, 8:59 am
Fifteen percent of college athletes (healthy kids!) who had Covid were found to have myocarditis after their recovery from Covid. People are at much greater risk of having myocarditis if they don't take the Covid vaccine than if they do.
https://www.the-scientist.com/.....67929
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cbsp




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Apr 27 2021, 9:21 am
PinkFridge wrote:
??


I think it's missing the word "the"

As in

Myocarditis has been found in THE 5 million...
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