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amother
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Post Mon, May 10 2021, 10:38 am
amother [ Black ] wrote:
What kind of animals? If they were lab mice and rats, their normal life expectancy is 2-3 years.
macaques or ferrets
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amother
Amber


 

Post Mon, May 10 2021, 10:41 am
miami85 wrote:
[Political comment removed - mod
Somewhat off topic but Tylenol is far from the safest medicine ever invented. Acetaminophen induced hepatic failure is a huge issue worldwide and accounts for 20% of liver transplants cases. And no, it isn’t just if you take massive overdoses.
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amother
Seashell


 

Post Mon, May 10 2021, 10:41 am
For those not believing it, even the cdc agrees that you can get corona after the vaccine. I know people in real life who did. I saw their vaccine paper and they were actually sick. https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru......html
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leah233




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, May 10 2021, 10:45 am
amother [ Seashell ] wrote:
For those not believing it, even the cdc agrees that you can get corona after the vaccine. I know people in real life who did. I saw their vaccine paper and they were actually sick. https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru......html


They never claimed to have a 100% effectiveness rate.

People die in non elective surgery too. You do what you can to stay safeR.
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amother
Blonde


 

Post Mon, May 10 2021, 10:46 am
amother [ Amber ] wrote:
Somewhat off topic but Tylenol is far from the safest medicine ever invented. Acetaminophen induced hepatic failure is a huge issue worldwide and accounts for 20% of liver transplants cases. And no, it isn’t just if you take massive overdoses.


True
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amother
Blonde


 

Post Mon, May 10 2021, 10:46 am
amother [ Amber ] wrote:
macaques or ferrets


Any papers on the topic?
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amother
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Post Mon, May 10 2021, 10:48 am
leah233 wrote:
My husband also had a bad reaction to it. (mild fever for a day or two after both shots) I still think it is better than the risk of Corona
When I had mild Covid, I didn't even have a fever.By comparison, after I took the 2nd shot, I had a very high fever, high enough to give anyone a convulsion plus my heart rate went up and I almost needed the ER. For me personally Covid wasn't as risky as the vaccine. My kids have antibodies so I don't think they are at risk for Covid. I might give a 1st dose but not the 2nd after what happened to me. I don't know if it was an allergic reaction but chances are if I reacted this way my kids might have the same reaction. Not saying that people shouldn't vaccinate, most people did not have these side effects, but in case someone does have a side effect, they shouldn't be bullied into vaccinating their kids when the time comes.
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miami85




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, May 10 2021, 10:50 am
What needs to happen is people need to demonstrate that the vaccine is good and we can go about our lives again. I don't expect to "never get covid" now that I am vaccinated--with no side effects B"H-- but I do expect to have MORE immunity if I were exposed and have a chance at being MINIMALLY affected, and that since seniors are now vaccinated we can see each other and not worry that giving a hug is really a "kiss of death"

This whole "wearing a mask while vaccinated" and "outdoors" is just bizarre and begs the question of "what exactly is your game plan" how about figuring out WHO is still getting infected--location, demographic, what kind of exposure rather than blanket "Everyone must still wear a mask". My kids have been wearing masks in school all year, most of them are getting disgusting by now--and I wash them regularly, but I have a kid who chews the inside (I made my own), I don't think the masks have ever been doing all that much so I'm not worried. So if my kids have been fine all year--yes there was an outbreak in school many kids got it, but each class was only quarantined once the whole year. The whole "believe in the science" mantra has got to be fake when you stop listening to actual science. The whole "scientific model" is based on asking questions, but when questions are verboten then you have to wonder if they ever truly believed in science in the first place.
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amother
Cyan


 

Post Mon, May 10 2021, 11:00 am
I’m not completely for or against the vaccine. But politicians and celebrities are the two most deceitful groups you can find. They are the last people I wish to emulate, as their actions are rarely reliable.
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southernbubby




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, May 10 2021, 11:10 am
amother [ Puce ] wrote:
Obviously, nobody can know what the long term effects of the vaccine will be. Many claim it will be nothing, but nobody can know that about something that has only existed for under a year. Each person can decide for himself if he wants to take the risk or not. Some people are more willing to be guinea pigs than others.

Of course, many are weighing the risks of the vaccine vs. the risks of getting corona, which is a valid thought process. What I don't understand is the people who had corona and still choose to be vaccinated.


Someone I know, who is a few years older than me, is currently on a ventilator due to Covid. This person declined the vaccine but because of the length of time on the ventilator, will probably require some sort of rehab. I don't know if rehab facilities require vaccinations but because the virus doesn't confer permanent immunity it would make sense to me that they don't want the virus to spread in those facilities.
Basically, to add insult to injury, a person who suffers plenty from the virus, may end up with not much choice about getting the vaccine.
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miami85




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, May 10 2021, 11:13 am
amother [ Amber ] wrote:
Somewhat off topic but Tylenol is far from the safest medicine ever invented. Acetaminophen induced hepatic failure is a huge issue worldwide and accounts for 20% of liver transplants cases. And no, it isn’t just if you take massive overdoses.


Among medications it is generally referred to as the safest as it has the LEAST amount of side effects, isn't harsh on the stomach lining like NSAIDS and doesn't pose a risk of reye sydrome in children with fevers and is considered safe for newborns, but like you said even "safest" is not "no-risk" which is my point. And while I used to just try to "tough it out" when I was sick because I didn't like being "Dependent" on medication, I learned that if you treat the fever, then your body isn't working as hard to fight the infection and can focus on healing rather than the symptoms. There is always a risk-reward analysis.

As a 30-something in good health, I didn't feel the need to rush out and get the vaccine, but I got tired of living in seclusion and my own personal risk-analysis indicated it was more worthwhile for my mental health to go get the vaccine and also I got the flu when I had the flu shot and I was sick for 2-3 days rather than a week and my kids also got it but they never had real fever, just 99.9 and were back in school in a day rather than a week, so for a busy mother it's never good to be "out of commission"--I mean I had a nasty cold last week and I felt lousy for a few days and I've heard how much more lousy Covid makes you feel, so I'm glad that I won't have to experience that now, though I expect it to happen "Eventually" but if it means that I get to travel, see people and go to chasunas, that's worth it for me.
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amother
Blush


 

Post Mon, May 10 2021, 11:14 am
southernbubby wrote:
Someone I know, who is a few years older than me, is currently on a ventilator due to Covid. This person declined the vaccine but because of the length of time on the ventilator, will probably require some sort of rehab. I don't know if rehab facilities require vaccinations but because the virus doesn't confer permanent immunity it would make sense to me that they don't want the virus to spread in those facilities.
Basically, to add insult to injury, a person who suffers plenty from the virus, may end up with not much choice about getting the vaccine.


Based on this I will ask did the doctors give her all that is supposed to work? Did she get plasma? Did she get the antibiotics proven to help (forgot name) ?
Most people getting hospitalized have not done any preventatives and weren’t given anything by there doc
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amother
Lawngreen


 

Post Mon, May 10 2021, 11:22 am
amother [ OP ] wrote:
Why would all world leaders and politicians and their families then take it?

What would make you think it's safe?

If the politicians who took the vaccine would trust that it works then they wouldnt be wearing a mask or even double masks to protect themselves from getting covid. Either it works and you can take off your mask or it doesnt work and no one should be forced to take it. And yes, it will be forced as they come out with the vaccine passport, separate people based on whether they took the vaccine or not and allow stores to not let in unvaccinated people (this is in NY).

The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results. Its scary to think that NY can pick different politicians who will not allow for any of this discrimination or forced vaccines to happen yet we pick the same people who will make things even worse. When will New Yorkers wake up and stop voting for the same liberal/progressive/socialist politicians who are only hurting us with their double standards and discriminatory manner (especially against Jews who they consider to be "white" and therefore allowed to discriminate against)?
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southernbubby




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, May 10 2021, 11:23 am
amother [ Blush ] wrote:
Based on this I will ask did the doctors give her all that is supposed to work? Did she get plasma? Did she get the antibiotics proven to help (forgot name) ?
Most people getting hospitalized have not done any preventatives and weren’t given anything by there doc


From what I am told, the person (I didn't specify gender) waited awhile before getting medical attention.
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amother
Dodgerblue


 

Post Mon, May 10 2021, 11:33 am
We really have no definitive proof about how safe or unsafe this vaccine is due to the lack of a long term study. But we do know that the "trial" isn't so reliable as the subjects have been unblinded and there is no control group. We know that not enough time has passed to see the long term effects. We know that big pharma and politicians are notorious liars. We know that the vaccine companies are not responsible if people die or get injured when taking the vaccine. So if someone is uncomfortable taking the vaccine at this point it is understandable. Whoever wants it should take it but why force your belief on others.
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amother
Beige


 

Post Mon, May 10 2021, 11:37 am
southernbubby wrote:
Someone I know, who is a few years older than me, is currently on a ventilator due to Covid. This person declined the vaccine but because of the length of time on the ventilator, will probably require some sort of rehab. I don't know if rehab facilities require vaccinations but because the virus doesn't confer permanent immunity it would make sense to me that they don't want the virus to spread in those facilities.
Basically, to add insult to injury, a person who suffers plenty from the virus, may end up with not much choice about getting the vaccine.


It's about risk vs benefit. I think most people would agree that for older people the benefit of the vaccine is greater than the risk.
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amother
Beige


 

Post Mon, May 10 2021, 11:42 am
amother [ Puce ] wrote:
Obviously, nobody can know what the long term effects of the vaccine will be. Many claim it will be nothing, but nobody can know that about something that has only existed for under a year. Each person can decide for himself if he wants to take the risk or not. Some people are more willing to be guinea pigs than others.

Of course, many are weighing the risks of the vaccine vs. the risks of getting corona, which is a valid thought process. What I don't understand is the people who had corona and still choose to be vaccinated.


I couldn't have said it better.
There is no way to know the long term results, so it's risk vs benefit.
For someone who currently has antibodies, the risk of the vaccine may be greater than the benefit. Maybe next year if they don't have antibodies, they may reconsider.
For someone older, the benefit of the vaccine is likely greater than the risk.
And if someone is in childbearing years that is another consideration. Yes, I know there is nothing proven, but how would it be proven in a few months when pregnancy is 9 months?
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#BestBubby




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, May 10 2021, 11:44 am
amother [ Smokey ] wrote:
my ob told me not to take it, but she took it herself.. sounds like she is being more cautious with me than herself...I trust her
I cant pretend to have enough medical knowledge or an understanding of what is really going on (stripped of all the media), although I am hesitant to take it. so I asked my ob and am trusting my doctor


Many doctors do the OPPOSITE.

Doctors tell their patients to take vaccines because they fear losing their license if they don't.

But some Doctors DON'T take the vaccine for themselves or their families.

PS It could be your doctor was FORCED to take the vax - mandatory for health care workers.
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#BestBubby




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, May 10 2021, 11:45 am
fleetwood wrote:
Obviously all the scientists and politicians are sheep..it's random imamothers who really know the facts..


And also PhD scientists and MD Medical Doctors who warn against the vaccine.
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#BestBubby




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, May 10 2021, 11:49 am
fleetwood wrote:
Nobody is being coerced!


What do you think "vaccine passports" are?

What do you think MANDATORY for students, teachers and health care professionals is?
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