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How much do you spend on vitamins, supplements, herbs monthly?
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83% |
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$101-200 |
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7% |
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$201-300 |
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3% |
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$301-400 |
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2% |
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$401-500 |
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0% |
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$501-600 |
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0% |
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$601-700 |
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0% |
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$701-800 |
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0% |
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$801-900 |
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0% |
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$901-1000 |
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0% |
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$1001-1500 |
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0% |
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>$1500 |
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2% |
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vintagebknyc
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Thu, Jun 17 2021, 11:12 pm
amother [ Indigo ] wrote: | The articles you cited talk about a vague item called "multi vitamins" while those of us who have had positive experiences with vitamins are talking about specific vitamins for specific ailments. Apples and oranges.
Though I'm curious why you would think Dr. Google has some kind of knowledge that my neurologist, who went through medical school, etc, doesn't have. Like why bother going to medical school? Just google. |
Actually, I've spoken with my doctors about this. They agree.
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vintagebknyc
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Thu, Jun 17 2021, 11:13 pm
amother [ Amaryllis ] wrote: | Let’s rephrase the question. If your child had an ailment that prevented him from living life to its fullest, and all of the doctors tell you that “nothings wrong” and “all the tests are normal”, or better yet, they gave him a medication (or a dozen) that didn’t work, what would your next step be? |
I'm happy to have a conversation with you, but I won't share my personal stories with anonymous women. Unmask yourself and we can talk.
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vintagebknyc
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Thu, Jun 17 2021, 11:14 pm
amother [ Marigold ] wrote: | Ye, Throwing a drug store multi at any human won’t do much For anyone. I guess we can agree on that. And besides, I don’t trust drs on this at all. They are great at saving lives but the model on a whole has completely lost touch with what it means to be truly healthy.
So what about chromium for blood sugar control?
Magnesium for eclampsia?
Nac for drug overdose and ocd?
Glutathione for joint pain?
B6 for skin?
Cryptolepis and Japanese knotwood for Lyme?
Gaba for anxiety?
Each of these has literature backing their efficacy. And there are hundreds more. |
Our doctors clearly disagree. We can discuss this when you unmask yourself.
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chanatron1000
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Thu, Jun 17 2021, 11:19 pm
The CDC recommends that all women of reproductive age take folate.
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amother
Indigo
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Thu, Jun 17 2021, 11:27 pm
vintagebknyc wrote: | Actually, I've spoken with my doctors about this. They agree. |
They agree that my neurologist is wrong? How interesting.
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vintagebknyc
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Thu, Jun 17 2021, 11:28 pm
amother [ Indigo ] wrote: | They agree that my neurologist is wrong? How interesting. |
No longer discussing this anonymously.
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amother
Indigo
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Thu, Jun 17 2021, 11:34 pm
vintagebknyc wrote: | No longer discussing this anonymously. |
And if I post under my screen name? Do you then know who I am?
My point is that if my doctor prescribed vitamins for my child, believe me I'm following her advice over an anonymous internet lady (may I point out that you are anonymous as well.)
ETA: I'm following the rules of this site, as I am amother when disclosing personal information. It is your decision not to respond, but I am following the rules.
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vintagebknyc
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Thu, Jun 17 2021, 11:36 pm
amother [ Indigo ] wrote: | And if I post under my screen name? Do you then know who I am?
My point is that if my doctor prescribed vitamins for my child, believe me I'm following her advice over an anonymous internet lady (may I point out that you are anonymous as well.) |
People here pretty much know who I am, so.
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amother
Valerian
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Thu, Jun 17 2021, 11:51 pm
vintagebknyc wrote: | With the exception of vitamins D and B12, there is no scientific evidence that vitamins help you in the slightest. In fact, one study showed that people who took vitamins died younger.
I take vitamin D. Less than $20 a year. |
Just bought a box of vit D pills. It was around $20 but will last me a couple of months.
Actually my daughters are all deficient in Vit D so definitely will not last a year!!!
I also buy uncle moishy multivitamin for the kids(definitely don't get everything they need from diet only!!)
And I buy multivitamin for myself. I tried magnesium in the past for migraines but didn't see much difference.
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Thisisnotmyreal
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Thu, Jun 17 2021, 11:56 pm
vintagebknyc wrote: | People here pretty much know who I am, so. |
Why are you harassing a woman who's child needs to see a neurologist?
People don't generally feel comfortable disclosing their health information. Hippa laws exist for a reason. Anonymous/ username are pretty much the same.
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vintagebknyc
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Thu, Jun 17 2021, 11:59 pm
Thisisnotmyreal wrote: | Why are you harassing a woman who's child needs to see a neurologist?
People don't generally feel comfortable disclosing their health information. Hippa laws exist for a reason. Anonymous/ username are pretty much the same. |
I'm harassing nobody, calm down. I came to this discussion under my screen name, and if people want me to answer personal questions about my health or my child's health, I expect them to do the same. That's only fair. I'm more than happy to share, I'm an oversharer. But there has to be some quid pro quo.
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amother
Marigold
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Fri, Jun 18 2021, 8:47 am
chanatron1000 wrote: | Most doctors say that supplements are not necessary if a person's diet includes all needed nutrients. But the fact is that many people do not or cannot eat foods that supply all the nutrients they need, and doctors do recommend supplements in that case. | In days gone by this may have been true, but today our food supply is terribly depleted because of poor farming practices. Animals are fed depleted foods too, so we can’t even count on animal products to be nutrient dense. That, coupled with the fact that due to environmental toxins and high stress life our body needs a lot more of these nutrients to keep us healthy, I no longer believe most of us can get what we need just from nature. What’s more, is that so many diseases people get diagnosed with regularly can be traced back to a nutrient deficiency or mineral imbalance, but they’re not being told that!! So even if technically vitamins should only be used to treat vitamin deficiencies, most of us have no idea if we’re deficient or not. Serum testing is usually worthless, rda is also. Everyone’s needs are so individual. Most epileptics don’t know they’re extremely low in thiamine, people with diabetes don’t know they’re low in chromium, 2/3 people are magnesium deficient but have no idea. And so on.
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amother
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Fri, Jun 18 2021, 8:52 am
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Marigold
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Fri, Jun 18 2021, 8:58 am
amother [ Indigo ] wrote: | THANK YOU!!!! | Happy reading!
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vintagebknyc
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Fri, Jun 18 2021, 9:04 am
Did you read that research? Really read it? Because much of it concludes nothing, including suggesting further testing to see if it works
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amother
Marigold
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Fri, Jun 18 2021, 9:10 am
vintagebknyc wrote: | Did you read that research? Really read it? Because much of it concludes nothing, including suggesting further testing to see if it works | It doesn’t conclude nothing, it concludes that they are helpful but further research is still needed. Most articles I read conclude that. There’s very little research that’s “done”. The further testing is to see if it works beyond a shadow of a doubt in double blind placebo controlled clinical trials. Yes, I’m aware that’s the gold standard for proving things in science, so that maybe these treatments could be bumped up from alternative or adjunct to front line treatments (which is never going to happen because there’s no $$ in it but I digress...) but that doesn’t make whatever research we have now worthless. And it’s also a very very far cry from “nobody needs to take any vitamins, they don’t help anybody”. Also, magnesium sulfate is already a front line treatment for eclampsia and pre eclampsia.
Anyways, this is a ridiculous argument because thousands of people seen tremendous positive changes in their health by using supplements and herbs. Beyond a shadow of a doubt. And that’s enough for me.
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amother
Indigo
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Fri, Jun 18 2021, 9:12 am
vintagebknyc wrote: | Did you read that research? Really read it? Because much of it concludes nothing, including suggesting further testing to see if it works |
I just read the first link.
Do you deny that "Magnesium sulfate (MgSO4) is the agent most commonly used for treatment of eclampsia and prophylaxis of eclampsia in patients with severe pre-eclampsia"? Do you deny that this is the treatment of choice in hospitals because of it's efficacy?
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amother
Poinsettia
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Fri, Jun 18 2021, 9:12 am
amother [ Indigo ] wrote: | They agree that my neurologist is wrong? How interesting. |
I think vintage is saying her doctor agrees it's the right decision for HER.
That doesn't make it the wróng decision for YOU.
And it doesn't make your neurologist wrong.
Your neurologist's advice is tailored to you, not to vintage or to anyone else.
It's not a one-size-fits-all thing.
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vintagebknyc
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Fri, Jun 18 2021, 9:13 am
amother [ Marigold ] wrote: | It doesn’t conclude nothing, it concludes that they are helpful but further research is still needed. Most articles I read conclude that. There’s very little research that’s “done”. The further testing is to see if it works beyond a shadow of a doubt in double blind placebo controlled clinical trials. Yes, I’m aware that’s the gold standard for proving things in science, so that maybe these treatments could be bumped up from alternative or adjunct to front line treatments (which is never going to happen because there’s no $$ in it but I digress...) but that doesn’t make whatever research we have now worthless. And it’s also a very very far cry from “nobody needs to take any vitamins, they don’t help anybody”. Also, magnesium sulfate is already a front line treatment for eclampsia and pre eclampsia. |
Happy to discuss further when you unmask yourself. Otherwise, have a gut shabbos.
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amother
Indigo
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Fri, Jun 18 2021, 9:15 am
amother [ Poinsettia ] wrote: | I think vintage is saying her doctor agrees it's the right decision for HER.
That doesn't make it the wróng decision for YOU.
It's not a one-size-fits-all thing. |
I didn't hear vintage saying that, maybe she can clarify?
Because lots of posters LITERALLY said that certain vitamins/minerals/herbs work for THEM. Vintage seems to be saying that they are universally useless?
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