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amother




Turquoise
 

Post Mon, Jul 26 2021, 8:53 am
amother [ OP ] wrote:
So, we are looking at a possible diagnosis of EOE now, since he has all the symptoms. There is a strong link between children with EOE and speech delays, and they do not get better with time apparently. Meaning, the kid won't necessarily catch up on his own, according to what I've read.

My baby is clearly understanding everything I say to him and can follow commands. He seems very smart and on the ball. I am not worried about his receptive skills so much (though I don't know why he wont point to his head...). I am worried about the fa ct that he is not progressing at all. He doesn't say mama, dada, no, ...nothing. Not one word. Everything is "eh". For no, he shakes his head and said "eh". For yes, it's just plain "eh".


What’s EOE?
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amother




Grape
 

Post Mon, Jul 26 2021, 9:38 am
I had the 17 mo and booked an eval for after he’s 18 mos. I have a feeling he’ll be low in receptive language too. Thanks for the push to get evaluated.
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amother




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Post Mon, Jul 26 2021, 9:49 am
amother [ Turquoise ] wrote:
What’s EOE?


Honestly I dont know that much about it myself. (If and when I receive the diagnosis, I will learn more about it.)
It stands for Eosinophilic esophagitis and is a chronic condition.
From a website on this condition: EoE is a condition where your esophagus gets inflamed and can narrow over time. This narrowing can lead to a variety of daily symptoms, like painful and difficult swallowing, food getting stuck, and chest pains.

My baby has exhibited many symptoms of EOE, mainly, random vomiting and avoiding foods. It is often prevalent in children with eczema and allergies, both of which my son has.

According to the GI we went to, avoidance of foods can cause the child to not get enough oral stimulatin to help him develop his speech.
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amother




Sienna
 

Post Mon, Jul 26 2021, 10:58 am
amother [ OP ] wrote:
Honestly I dont know that much about it myself. (If and when I receive the diagnosis, I will learn more about it.)
It stands for Eosinophilic esophagitis and is a chronic condition.
From a website in this cindition: EoE is a condition where your esophagus gets inflamed and can narrow over time. This narrowing can lead to a variety of daily symptoms, like painful and difficult swallowing, food getting stuck, and chest pains.

My baby has exhibited many symptoms of EOE, mainly, random vomiting and avoiding foods. It is often prevalent in children with eczema and allergies, both of which my son has.

According to the GI we went to, avoidance of foods can cause the child to not get enough oral stimulatin to help him develop his speech.

Interesting. My son has EOE (he's now 11) and he was also very delayed with speech. I never knew there was a correlation. Although when we first received the diagnosis 9 years ago a lot less was known about EOE. Now it seems to be more common
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amother




OP
 

Post Mon, Jul 26 2021, 3:16 pm
amother [ Sienna ] wrote:
Interesting. My son has EOE (he's now 11) and he was also very delayed with speech. I never knew there was a correlation. Although when we first received the diagnosis 9 years ago a lot less was known about EOE. Now it seems to be more common


Wow. That is interesting. How is your son now? How is his speech?
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amother




Slateblue
 

Post Mon, Jul 26 2021, 3:51 pm
what does your pediatrician suggest?
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amother




Apple
 

Post Mon, Jul 26 2021, 5:17 pm
amother [ Firethorn ] wrote:
At 18 months we expect 50 words+. Of course language is a range and there are averages (at least 10 words by 18 months is the bare minimum).

If a child is not meeting developmental norms then I suggest an eval.

The process can take months. Best to start now and not wait for "him to grow into it"
You can contact your state's local EI program directly to ask for a screening and eval. Do not wait for your pediatrician's referral


I had my child evaluated at 16-17 months and he wasnt elligible for speech because he babbled, and understood a lot. They found 10 words he says and deemed him inellegible. They said at that age they need to say minimum 10 words.
He was also late in walking. Once he began to walk, his speech exploded
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amother




Viola
 

Post Mon, Jul 26 2021, 5:33 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
Just coming back to update.
I had him evaluated and the result was that receptively he is totally on the ball and knows exactly what's going on, but expressively he is at around 8 months.
We started therapy with him, so hopefully soon he will catch up.
Thanks to all the Imas who weighed in.

OP, just to reassure you - I had this with one my children. Was able to understand everything and was evaluated as such, but his expressive language was very delayed. He had extensive therapy through EI (I actually started him at 6 months because he was delayed in other areas), and then two years of special ed school after he aged out. He is b'h MORE than fine now, b'h, b'h, b'h. (He's still on the quiet side, though). Every child is different and there are no guarantees, but just to let you know that there is hope.

DH and I noticed the same thing - it was like there was a loose switch somewhere in his brain and he needed training to get him to connect the dots. He was delayed in walking and other things as well... but he is b'h fine now. (He is an adult).
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amother




OP
 

Post Mon, Jul 26 2021, 5:42 pm
amother [ Viola ] wrote:
OP, just to reassure you - I had this with one my children. Was able to understand everything and was evaluated as such, but his expressive language was very delayed. He had extensive therapy through EI (I actually started him at 6 months because he was delayed in other areas), and then two years of special ed school after he aged out. He is b'h MORE than fine now, b'h, b'h, b'h. (He's still on the quiet side, though). Every child is different and there are no guarantees, but just to let you know that there is hope.

DH and I noticed the same thing - it was like there was a loose switch somewhere in his brain and he needed training to get him to connect the dots. He was delayed in walking and other things as well... but he is b'h fine now. (He is an adult).


Thank you. That us very reassuring.
My baby was not delayed in any other area. He walked at 13 months I believe which is in the early side for my kids.

Unlike the child of the poster above Viola, my 18 month doesnt say 10 words. He doesn't say even one word. He babbles, but no consonants, only vowels.

I will be working on getting him early intervention but meanwhile started with private because I know it could take time. I am pretty sure he will be found eligible.
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amother




Powderblue
 

Post Mon, Jul 26 2021, 8:22 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
Thank you. That us very reassuring.
My baby was not delayed in any other area. He walked at 13 months I believe which is in the early side for my kids.

Unlike the child of the poster above Viola, my 18 month doesnt say 10 words. He doesn't say even one word. He babbles, but no consonants, only vowels.

I will be working on getting him early intervention but meanwhile started with private because I know it could take time. I am pretty sure he will be found eligible.


So happy that you are getting him the therapy!!

Just FYI, babbling means consonants.
If he just says vowels, it's called vocalizing.
(early childhood specialist here Smile)
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busymother




 
 
 
 

Post Mon, Jul 26 2021, 9:30 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
Oh my....I guess I need that kick in the pants.

I will confide that my older son is on the spectrum and thanks to some Imas here who answered a question I asked a few months ago, I got him into therapy for pragmatic language. I did not realize I was supposed to be giving him that, but the Imas in the field urged me to get him the help he needs. Once I reached out to the therapist, It became all too clear that I missed out on many years. Meanwhile, bH, he is doing good work and we are addressing his socual issues.

Another son is already 14 but has a tongue thrust and terrible lisp that was never addressed. BH he is in therapy as well.

And I have another child with a minor articulation issue.

I guess I need to get the baby evalautated as well. (Sigh)


Lol, us mothers are busy! It’s so hard to take care of everyone’s needs! I would suggest starting him on a nano zeolite detox spray. Have seen some amazing stuff happen from it.
Hatzlacha!
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amother




OP
 

Post Mon, Jul 26 2021, 10:01 pm
busymother wrote:
Lol, us mothers are busy! It’s so hard to take care of everyone’s needs! I would suggest starting him on a nano zeolite detox spray. Have seen some amazing stuff happen from it.
Hatzlacha!


Can you explain more about this spray?? Never heard of it.
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amother




Tanzanite
 

Post Mon, Jul 26 2021, 11:37 pm
Dear OP, when you wrote that your child uses only vowels that rang a bell for me.

One of my kids made no consonant sounds until he was three.

He never babbled at the normal age, just "vocalized" as one of the commenters defined it. At 1.5 - 2 he would go around pointing at things and saying "eh, eh" and looking back at us. We'd say what the thing was and he'd grin, as though to indicate that he connected the object with the word even if he couldn't say it!

At around 2.5 he finally said something that we could identify as a word. We were reading Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day and my son pointed at a picture of the mother's car (a station wagon that looked very much like the ancient Volvo wagon I hauled my kids around in at the time), and said "Aoouu" in an intentional way and I understood he was trying to say "car."

For the next half-year to a year, he spoke constantly -- in vowels. You could tell from context exactly what he was trying to say -- phrases/short sentences even but without consonants.

At three or 3.5 he finally started adding consonant sounds. I believe he followed the normal pattern of consonant acquisition, but with that huge delay.

He is non-right-handed, took a long time establishing lateral dominance, had a lot of OT. Subjectively it seemed to us that there was a connection with the speech delay.

We live in Israel and I always felt our speech therapy options were very limited (maybe things are better now, nearly 2 decades later). At some point our son got an apraxia diagnosis but I was never entirely convinced that the label fit. He went through a lot of speech therapy but I never felt it did much for him (all due respect to the SLPs on this thread), his speech just seemed to develop at its own (slower) pace. He had some learning issues and was in SPED for some years, though eventually transitioned to a regular class. He earned a full Israeli matriculation certificate. He is 20 now and in pre-army yeshiva, "normal" and a lovely person -- though his speech is still a little off in ways that are hard to put a finger on. I think Israelis just assume he has an accent (even though he grew up here and was educated entirely in Hebrew-speaking schools).

Hope this helps in some way. There's every reason to be hopeful. Hatzlacha!
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amother




OP
 

Post Tue, Jul 27 2021, 12:54 am
amother [ Tanzanite ] wrote:
Dear OP, when you wrote that your child uses only vowels that rang a bell for me.

One of my kids made no consonant sounds until he was three.

He never babbled at the normal age, just "vocalized" as one of the commenters defined it. At 1.5 - 2 he would go around pointing at things and saying "eh, eh" and looking back at us. We'd say what the thing was and he'd grin, as though to indicate that he connected the object with the word even if he couldn't say it!

At around 2.5 he finally said something that we could identify as a word. We were reading Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day and my son pointed at a picture of the mother's car (a station wagon that looked very much like the ancient Volvo wagon I hauled my kids around in at the time), and said "Aoouu" in an intentional way and I understood he was trying to say "car."

For the next half-year to a year, he spoke constantly -- in vowels. You could tell from context exactly what he was trying to say -- phrases/short sentences even but without consonants.

At three or 3.5 he finally started adding consonant sounds. I believe he followed the normal pattern of consonant acquisition, but with that huge delay.

He is non-right-handed, took a long time establishing lateral dominance, had a lot of OT. Subjectively it seemed to us that there was a connection with the speech delay.

We live in Israel and I always felt our speech therapy options were very limited (maybe things are better now, nearly 2 decades later). At some point our son got an apraxia diagnosis but I was never entirely convinced that the label fit. He went through a lot of speech therapy but I never felt it did much for him (all due respect to the SLPs on this thread), his speech just seemed to develop at its own (slower) pace. He had some learning issues and was in SPED for some years, though eventually transitioned to a regular class. He earned a full Israeli matriculation certificate. He is 20 now and in pre-army yeshiva, "normal" and a lovely person -- though his speech is still a little off in ways that are hard to put a finger on. I think Israelis just assume he has an accent (even though he grew up here and was educated entirely in Hebrew-speaking schools).

Hope this helps in some way. There's every reason to be hopeful. Hatzlacha!


Thank you for sharing your story.
Is there anything you would advise me, based on your experience?

My son seems similar to what you are describing.
He also points to things and says "eh". However, he has excellent fine motor skills. He is able to put small objects into holes, and he feeds himself beautifully. He seems very coordinated, even though he does walk a little funny (like his toes point in...will show it to the doctor on our next visit.) He never falls or stumbles because of it, and he can run.

I haven't detected if he has a hand dominance yet, as he seems to be able to eat well with both hands.

The other slp said it's not called babbling. But he will sit in his car seat and just yap away, only using vowels.
He also likes to sing. When I sing, he starts singing along with me.

Like you, I feel like his other issues are somehow connected. He avoids foods and he vomits on a regular basis. (As I mentioned above, we are due for an endoscopy to rule out or confirm EOE.)

EtA : I just looked up apraxia and the description definitely resonates.
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amother




OP
 

Post Tue, Jul 27 2021, 1:05 am
Just wondering if anyone here has used the sign language technique in speech therapy for their toddler. If yes, did you feel it was successful?

We have had two sessions so far and I've been using the words/signs between sessions. I dont see any movement. (Yes I know it takes time)
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busymother




 
 
 
 

Post Tue, Jul 27 2021, 10:46 am
amother [ OP ] wrote:
Can you explain more about this spray?? Never heard of it.


It’s supposed to detox from all the poisons and chemicals in our environment today. I used it on one of my kids for a week and his bed wetting totally cleared up for a few months. Ran out of money otherwise would order again for 3 months (which is what is recommended).
I’ve heard of lazy eye being cured, lots of speech issues, skin issues, etc.
If you can afford it (about $40/bottle) I think it would be totally worth it to try while pursuing other therapies as well.
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amother




OP
 

Post Sun, Aug 15 2021, 8:17 am
Update:
My baby is now 19 months.
He still doesn't say even one word.
He started speech therapy. I think he had 2 sessions before the therapist went on a short break. We hope to resume this week.

Even though he still doesnt say any consonants, he has made progress in that he now will happily point to his body parts when I ask him. He points to about 10 body parts and seems to enjoy the game, where in the past he would simply ignore me when I asked him.
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post Sun, Aug 15 2021, 9:06 am
amother [ OP ] wrote:
My baby is just hitting 18 months and doesnt say a word.
He seems to understand a lot. But doesnt speak any meaningful words. He does babble.
For months I have been trying to teach him to point to different body parts but he never does it.
Does he need therapy or can I wait?
What would be the downside of waiting a month or two to see if he can get it on his own?


SEIT here.

Definitely try to get therapy as it does no harm and is helpful for all children. and important for delayed children.

It is good sign that DC appears to understand speech. But most kids have some words by 18 months.

Also the aporoval process tajes a few months so dont wait.

Hatzlochah!
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#BestBubby




 
 
 
 

Post Sun, Aug 15 2021, 9:11 am
OP does DC drool excessively?

Have trouble chewing?

Maybe low muscle tone in mouth/tongue.

Try teaching DC to drink from straw to strengthen oral muscles.
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cbsp




 
 
 
 

Post Sun, Aug 15 2021, 9:16 am
amother [ OP ] wrote:
Just wondering if anyone here has used the sign language technique in speech therapy for their toddler. If yes, did you feel it was successful?

We have had two sessions so far and I've been using the words/signs between sessions. I dont see any movement. (Yes I know it takes time)


Just saw this post.

We did use the signs (at the time I bought a package called "Baby Signs" - came with a video, a book, board books for the child, and laminated card of key signs. Don't remember what else).

Since the goal was increased communication we always spoke when doing the signs - and any form of communication from the child was accepted (any sign, or verbal, or a combination) and encouraged.

The signs were phased out as the child's verbal skills improved. I do feel the signs greatly helped in many ways - I think a major component was reducing the frustration of not being understood...
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